oldsailor35 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Me think that right now big efforts and deals behind the scenes are being made to pay hush monies and compensations to the injured parties to quale and keep the issue out of court, and this is why the police takes their time here, as a lot of money will be changing hands soon My thoughts exactly. A few hundred thousand baht will be paid as compensation to the families, and Khun Jenphop will remain a free man. The delays likely have nothing to do with an investigation, more likely waiting for the outcome of compensation negotiations. It would be interesting to know the law on this. If a victim accepts compensation does this automatically mean the police cannot charge them with something? I have noticed that the Red Bull lad is openly back in Thailand now, so it seems that has all blown over. Also appears that mainstream media have collective memory blanks on these types of cases, for one reason or another. Not sure if there is any law, but there are regular reports of victims' families agreeing to not pursue charges after compensation is paid. Read the last paragraph of this recent report: http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/australian-tour-operator-mark-pendlebury-cleared-of-murder-in-thailand/news-story/77369049dcac77e41de43cb8e173c11b Regardless of what the families agree on. The RTP should continue with the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gandalf12 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Me think that right now big efforts and deals behind the scenes are being made to pay hush monies and compensations to the injured parties to quale and keep the issue out of court, and this is why the police takes their time here, as a lot of money will be changing hands soon My thoughts exactly. A few hundred thousand baht will be paid as compensation to the families, and Khun Jenphop will remain a free man. The delays likely have nothing to do with an investigation, more likely waiting for the outcome of compensation negotiations. It would be interesting to know the law on this. If a victim accepts compensation does this automatically mean the police cannot charge them with something? I have noticed that the Red Bull lad is openly back in Thailand now, so it seems that has all blown over. Also appears that mainstream media have collective memory blanks on these types of cases, for one reason or another. Certainly in Europe the police can charge someone with a crime even if the affected person says they dont want to bring charges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katipo Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Introducing an enforcing a law similar to 'vehicular manslaughter' is long over due. As long as people (especially the rich) can drive with a total disregard for others safety, this sort of tragedy will keep reoccurring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WitawatWatawit Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 The couple who died -- stuff it! Were MURDERED -- look lovely people. The Benz driver looks a right arrogant retard in the mold of Thai rich kid arrogant retards that we have come to know and revile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remi080 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 After seen the video... i feel sorry for those innocent people in the other car who had to die because of an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM07 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 ...preparing brown envelopes...check! ...get a doctor's notice for a bad cold...check! ...buy ticket to Singapore...check! ...meet Red Bull- buddy for a beer...check! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsailor35 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Me think that right now big efforts and deals behind the scenes are being made to pay hush monies and compensations to the injured parties to quale and keep the issue out of court, and this is why the police takes their time here, as a lot of money will be changing hands soon My thoughts exactly. A few hundred thousand baht will be paid as compensation to the families, and Khun Jenphop will remain a free man. The delays likely have nothing to do with an investigation, more likely waiting for the outcome of compensation negotiations. The two victims were Chula Grad Students. The compensation will be considerably more than a few hundred thousand! A thousand years ago weirgeld or blood-money was standard in England and some other countries. If you killed someone, you had to pay their family an agreed upon sum or be prosecuted. This practice largely ended about 800 or 900 years ago in the west... Thailand is still a bit behind the times. Actually, blood money is not such a bad concept if it is not a replacement for normal punishment. Because what do people in the West get out of someone killing their family ? Nothing, here at least there is some compensation. Though I find it a scary thought if you kill someone by accident (when your not really to blame not being negligent or doing something dangerous) and people want loads of money from you. Obviously you have never heard of insurance ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 (edited) It would be interesting to know the law on this. If a victim accepts compensation does this automatically mean the police cannot charge them with something? I have noticed that the Red Bull lad is openly back in Thailand now, so it seems that has all blown over. Also appears that mainstream media have collective memory blanks on these types of cases, for one reason or another. Not sure if there is any law, but there are regular reports of victims' families agreeing to not pursue charges after compensation is paid. Read the last paragraph of this recent report: http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/australian-tour-operator-mark-pendlebury-cleared-of-murder-in-thailand/news-story/77369049dcac77e41de43cb8e173c11b Yes i understand that, but even if a family does not press charges, could the 'state' or whatever terminology you would use still pursue given the fact that they committed a crime recognised by law regardless of the person accepting compensation or not? Yes, regardless of any compensation paid to the victims there is the question of public interest: every effort should be made to get this 'scion' off the road and into prison for 5 years. Contemptible creep. I like your points, especially your point about 'public interest'. Or put another way, IMHO as part of building and maintaining a civil society the public has a right to be protected from people who behave like this. Edited March 17, 2016 by scorecard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WitawatWatawit Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 ...preparing brown envelopes...check! ...get a doctor's notice for a bad cold...check! ...buy ticket to Singapore...check! ...meet Red Bull- buddy for a beer...check! The only thing missing from this scenario is the confession from the Viraporn family driver. "It was me. I was driving. Dear little Jenphob, precious prince, was cooking meals at the local orphanage at the time." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratcatcher Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 The "auto scion" , presently languishing and recovering from his minor injuries, one Jenphop Viraporn is to be found here as "scion" to : .http://www.lensowheel.com/lenso-wheel_corporate.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gweiloman Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Not really enough description in this article to jump to conclusions. Maybe the Mercedes front tyre was flat and he lost control. Maybe the other car hit his after getting a flat tyre. Look forward to hearing the evidence and if guilty seeing the driver punished accordingly. What absolute garbage!!! One only needs to drive on Thai roads to know that a lot of idiots weave in and out of lanes, over and under taking other vehicles at recklessly high speeds. Even if the tyre was flat and he lost control, how do you justify the speed that he was doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesbrock Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 The "auto scion" , presently languishing and recovering from his minor injuries, one Jenphop Viraporn is to be found here as "scion" to : .http://www.lensowheel.com/lenso-wheel_corporate.aspx Jenphop.jpg It's a pity the scumbag was driving one of the world's safest makes of cars... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 My thoughts exactly. A few hundred thousand baht will be paid as compensation to the families, and Khun Jenphop will remain a free man. The delays likely have nothing to do with an investigation, more likely waiting for the outcome of compensation negotiations. The two victims were Chula Grad Students. The compensation will be considerably more than a few hundred thousand! A thousand years ago weirgeld or blood-money was standard in England and some other countries. If you killed someone, you had to pay their family an agreed upon sum or be prosecuted. This practice largely ended about 800 or 900 years ago in the west... Thailand is still a bit behind the times. Actually, blood money is not such a bad concept if it is not a replacement for normal punishment. Because what do people in the West get out of someone killing their family ? Nothing, here at least there is some compensation. Though I find it a scary thought if you kill someone by accident (when your not really to blame not being negligent or doing something dangerous) and people want loads of money from you. Obviously you have never heard of insurance ! I got insurance, but still if the family asks more as what the insurance is willing to give. There are no clear rules here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nahkit Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 On the other hand, steal some coconuts and you are in the slammer pronto.. :> Don't forget the mushroom pickers, they got 30 years or something like that.... Not that old chestnut again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 What a perfect opportunity for the junta government to show its sincerity in wanting to reform Thailand. Process this person through the system like he's a regular Somchai, and show the world that corruption will truly not be tolerated. If he's guilty, put him away for an appropriate amount of time. Kicking vendors off beaches is easy -- tackling the elite and making real change is not. Dreaming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 On the other hand, steal some coconuts and you are in the slammer pronto.. :>Don't forget the mushroom pickers, they got 30 years or something like that.... Not that old chestnut again. Might well be the old chestnut, but certainly puts the inequality of what is practices in Thailand very clearly when it comes to the rule of law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Not really enough description in this article to jump to conclusions. Maybe the Mercedes front tyre was flat and he lost control. Maybe the other car hit his after getting a flat tyre. Look forward to hearing the evidence and if guilty seeing the driver punished accordingly. What absolute garbage!!! One only needs to drive on Thai roads to know that a lot of idiots weave in and out of lanes, over and under taking other vehicles at recklessly high speeds. Even if the tyre was flat and he lost control, how do you justify the speed that he was doing? Justify the speed, easy- he is someone special and is allowed to do what he pleases when it pleases him. Probably off to Singapore once released from hospital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gweiloman Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 What a perfect opportunity for the junta government to show its sincerity in wanting to reform Thailand. Process this person through the system like he's a regular Somchai, and show the world that corruption will truly not be tolerated. If he's guilty, put him away for an appropriate amount of time. Kicking vendors off beaches is easy -- tackling the elite and making real change is not. Dreaming? Yes, unfortunately he is. Just note the second post and poster - says a lot doesn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimay1 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 The "auto scion" , presently languishing and recovering from his minor injuries, one Jenphop Viraporn is to be found here as "scion" to : .http://www.lensowheel.com/lenso-wheel_corporate.aspx Jenphop.jpg It's a pity the scumbag was driving one of the world's safest makes of cars... Yeah, too bad he wasn't driving a Yugo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 I had an accident in the UK many years ago. I was just over the limit. I filed all my insurance reports and since I hadn't been charged with anything the insurance paid out where needed. In the UK a court summons must be issued within six months (180 days) of the offence being committed, at least for driving offences. I finally received a summons after about 175 days. Result: 1 year driving ban. Why is there such an uproar when he hasn't been charged after two days. Surely it's up to the courts to decided what to charge him with before they issue a summons. TIT, I suppose. If you'd killed two people in your accident, do you think the UK courts would still have waited almost 6 months? And after treatment he's have a found a nice policeman sitting waiting at the hospital. Do something like this in the UK and they'll breath test you as soon as they possible can. If the injuries aren't life threatening and your conscious, you'll be doing it before you get in the ambulance. And there's no option to buy your way out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chongalulu Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Having owned a high performance car (M3) and done fair number of track days I've noticed the boy racers here haven't the first clue how to handle a car compared to the one's in uk; wrong lines,no appreciation of apexes,unnecessary braking for curves,inability to judge distances or gaps ,all of which simply magnifies the downside of recklessness. This guy is no different and can only go fast in a straight line. I am beginning to think ,in conjunction with other observations ,this is part of a genetic IQ deficiency. Very unPC to say but I noticed this in Africa too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Off topic posts about the Red Bull driver have been removed as well as the replies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humberstone Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Me think that right now big efforts and deals behind the scenes are being made to pay hush monies and compensations to the injured parties to quale and keep the issue out of court, and this is why the police takes their time here, as a lot of money will be changing hands soon My thoughts exactly. A few hundred thousand baht will be paid as compensation to the families, and Khun Jenphop will remain a free man. The delays likely have nothing to do with an investigation, more likely waiting for the outcome of compensation negotiations. The two victims were Chula Grad Students. The compensation will be considerably more than a few hundred thousand! A thousand years ago weirgeld or blood-money was standard in England and some other countries. If you killed someone, you had to pay their family an agreed upon sum or be prosecuted. This practice largely ended about 800 or 900 years ago in the west... Thailand is still a bit behind the times. Actually, blood money is not such a bad concept if it is not a replacement for normal punishment. Because what do people in the West get out of someone killing their family ? Nothing, here at least there is some compensation. Though I find it a scary thought if you kill someone by accident (when your not really to blame not being negligent or doing something dangerous) and people want loads of money from you. Nothing ? In the West you'd take a civil action out against someone and sue for damages through the courts. For cases like these it works quite well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangrak Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 It would be interesting to know the law on this. If a victim accepts compensation does this automatically mean the police cannot charge them with something? I have noticed that the Red Bull lad is openly back in Thailand now, so it seems that has all blown over. Also appears that mainstream media have collective memory blanks on these types of cases, for one reason or another. Not sure if there is any law, but there are regular reports of victims' families agreeing to not pursue charges after compensation is paid. Read the last paragraph of this recent report: http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/australian-tour-operator-mark-pendlebury-cleared-of-murder-in-thailand/news-story/77369049dcac77e41de43cb8e173c11b Yes i understand that, but even if a family does not press charges, could the 'state' or whatever terminology you would use still pursue given the fact that they committed a crime recognised by law regardless of the person accepting compensation or not? 'The State' (the Ministry Public) can, in theory, press charges, but is as far as I know mostly reluctant to do so once the victims or their families have 'accepted' (there's often quite some 'arm-twisting' involved to 'convince' them) a compensation agreement. That while in good judicial logic, the civil part should be separated from the penal side, but TiT... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangrak Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Having owned a high performance car (M3) and done fair number of track days I've noticed the boy racers here haven't the first clue how to handle a car compared to the one's in uk; wrong lines,no appreciation of apexes,unnecessary braking for curves,inability to judge distances or gaps ,all of which simply magnifies the downside of recklessness. This guy is no different and can only go fast in a straight line. I am beginning to think ,in conjunction with other observations ,this is part of a genetic IQ deficiency. Very unPC to say but I noticed this in Africa too. Leave the IQ out of it, as it seems to happen with people obviously having a low one, and with others supposed to have a high one too, or more. So by default of other alternative, it might be genetic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangrak Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Having owned a high performance car (M3) and done fair number of track days I've noticed the boy racers here haven't the first clue how to handle a car compared to the one's in uk; wrong lines,no appreciation of apexes,unnecessary braking for curves,inability to judge distances or gaps ,all of which simply magnifies the downside of recklessness. This guy is no different and can only go fast in a straight line. I am beginning to think ,in conjunction with other observations ,this is part of a genetic IQ deficiency. Very unPC to say but I noticed this in Africa too. Many of the high-speed crashes (some 'big' shunts!) I have seen here involving, very, expensive and powerfull cars had happened on straight road sections, and did not involve other vehicles (or, thank god, pedestrians or animals)... Wannabe racers with very poor driving skills, a dangerous combination indeed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swerver Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Not really enough description in this article to jump to conclusions. Maybe the Mercedes front tyre was flat and he lost control. Maybe the other car hit his after getting a flat tyre. Look forward to hearing the evidence and if guilty seeing the driver punished accordingly. Today's high speed cars like this Mercedes with a 585 HP engine are fitted with low profile tire when these tires go flat the car only sinks down about a couple of inches which does effect the steering but not as much as with the high profile tires consequently the steering is not too much effected and with the electronic controlled steering you do not loose control of the car. Looking at the dashcam the idiot must have been travelling at 200KPH. Years ago there was an attempt made in the US to limit the engine size to a 289 cubic size engine in passenger cars but that never lasted too long. Take the top of the line Ford SUV in the US it has the same engine fitted in a Ford 22-wheeler pulling 40-ton in a passenger vehicle, where is the common sense???? THERE IS NONE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arunsakda Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 (edited) This is vehicular manslaughter. No vehicle should be allowed on the roads of this country without a speed limiting device (gps, overspeed governor, fuel topping governor) and that limit should be 100kPh nationally. Most drivers in Thailand have proven themselves incapable of such reponsibility and the few reponsible drivers just have to suffer. I think this should be the same in the US, but not saying there should be any restriction on engine size or sports cars. If enthusiasts want to speed over 100kPh they can trailer their rigs to speedways and dragstrips and kill themselves for all I care! Maybe in 30 years when smart sensors are installed in all roads and vehicles are mostly autonomous. Edited March 17, 2016 by arunsakda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupatria Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 With this speed I can only assume that was the getaway car of someone trying to escape arrest and jail at the scene where he stole 3 coconuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerojero Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 (edited) Kill someone with your car, it's a no-no that may not be charged. Steal a couple coconuts and it's immediately off to jail for years. Utter stupidly in the application of law. PM should be ashamed of his country for this. Edited March 17, 2016 by jerojero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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