Voters stand by Trump as champion of political incorrectness

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Voters stand by Trump as champion of political incorrectness
By ADAM GELLER and BRYNA GODAR

NEW YORK: -- Donald Trump's inflammatory statements about Mexican immigrants, Muslim refugees and women who get abortions may eventually be his campaign's undoing, some analysts say. But don't tell that to the many supporters such as Titus Kottke, attracted to the Republican front-runner specifically because he shoots from the lip.

"No more political correctness," said Kottke, 22, a cattle trucker and construction worker from Athens, Wisconsin, who waited hours last weekend to see the candidate in a line stretching the length of a shopping mall.

Trump is "not scared to offend people," Kottke said. He agrees with some of the views Trump expresses but likes the fact that the candidate shows the confidence to reject the dogma of political correctness. That "takes away your freedom of speech, pretty much. You can't say anything."

For years, conservatives have decried political correctness as a scourge of orthodox beliefs and language, imposed by liberals, that keeps people from voicing uncomfortable truths.

Now, some Trump supporters — many white, working-class voters frustrated with the country's shifting economics and demographics — applaud him for not being afraid to make noise about the things that anger them but that they feel discouraged from saying out loud.

"It's a cultural backlash," said Steve Schmidt, a Republican political strategist who ran Sen. John McCain's 2008 presidential campaign. "Millions and millions of people in this country, blue-collar people, feel that their values are under assault, that they're looked down upon, condescended to by the elites."

Trump rival Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas and retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, who has quit the 2016 race, are among the candidates who also have outspoken in decrying political correctness.

But Trump has made defiance of the manners usually governing politics a signature of his campaign.

"The big problem this country has is being politically correct," he said in a debate in August, when pressed on his comments about women that brought criticism. "I've been challenged by so many people and I don't frankly have time for total political correctness. And to be honest with you, this country doesn't have time either."

In doing so, Trump tapped into a frustration shared even by many voters who disagree with him on other issues. In an October poll of Americans by Fairleigh Dickinson University, more than two-thirds agreed that political correctness is a "big problem" for the country. Among Republicans, it was 81 percent.

That sentiment is clear in conversations with Trump supporters.

"Let him be a man with the guts to say what he wants," said Polly Day, 74, a retired nurse from Wausau, Wisconsin, who came to a Trump rally last Saturday in nearby Rothschild. "Should he tone down? He'll figure that out on his own. I like him the way he is."

At the same rally, Kottke said Trump's rejection of political correctness is one of the main reasons he supports him, along with the candidate's determination to improve security, protect jobs and keep Muslims out of the country.

Plenty of others agreed with him.

"Finally somebody's coming in that has the cojones to say something and to do something," said Ray Henry, another supporter. "I think he's saying what a lot of what America's feeling right now ... enough's enough."

Trump's flouting of political correctness has turned out to be a potent rhetorical weapon, political analysts say, but could prove troublesome.

"At its best, not being politically correct comes across as direct, unfiltered and honest. At its worst, not being politically correct comes across as crude, rude and insulting," said Whit Ayres, a Republican pollster who previously worked for Florida Sen. Marco Rubio's presidential campaign. Trump's supporters "may find it refreshing. That doesn't mean they would find it presidential."

Ayres and other analysts say Trump's rejection of political correctness appeals to voters frustrated by the setbacks of the Great Recession and the global economy; immigration that has made the country more heterogeneous; and cultural trends such as gay marriage and measures to fight discrimination against African-Americans, which make them feel marginalized.

"This doesn't fall out of left field," said Marc Hetherington, a professor of political science at Vanderbilt University who studies polarization and voter trust. "But what these political actors have done, Trump and Cruz in particular, is give that ... worry and frustration a voice."

That frustration was made clear in a poll by Quinnipiac University, released Tuesday, that found a deep vein of dissatisfaction among Trump supporters.

Nine in 10 questioned said their values and beliefs are under attack. Eight in 10 said the government has gone too far in assisting minorities, a view shared by 76 percent of Cruz supporters. But Trump was unrivaled in claiming the largest number of supporters — 84 percent — who agreed that the U.S. needs a leader "willing to say or do anything" to tackle the country's problems.

Political correctness entered the American vocabulary in the 1960s and 1970s. New Left activists advocating for civil rights and feminism and against the Vietnam War used it to describe the gap between their high-minded ideals and everyday actions.

"It was a kind of understanding that you can't be perfect all the time," said Ruth Perry, a professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology who wrote a 1992 article on the early history of political correctness. "It was an awareness of the ways in which all of us are inconsistent."

As it gained broader usage, political correctness came to mean a careful avoidance of words or actions that could offend minorities, women or others, often to the point of excess. Conservative critics have, for decades, pointed to it as an enforced ideology run amok.

"I think that the American people ... are sick to death of the choking conformity, the intellectual tyranny that is produced by political correctness," said Nick Adams, an Australian-born commentator who wrote "Retaking America: Crushing Political Correctness."

Adams, who has lived in the U.S. since 2009, said he believes many voters are drawn to Trump's rejection of that correctness, and his emphasis on reclaiming individualism, identity and self-confidence stripped away by it.

At the Wisconsin rally, a number of Trump supporters offered a similar appraisal.

"We have gone overboard with political correctness, everyone backtracking on their statements," said Chris Sharkey, 39, of Wausau, who says he chafes at behavioral strictures in his workplace, where human resource officers tell employees to avoid discussing politics.

The U.S., Sharkey said, needs to step up screening of Muslims trying to enter the country and bring back jobs employers have moved overseas — and Trump shouldn't have to apologize for saying so.

But some observers say Trump's appeal is less about speaking a particular truth than it is giving frustrated voters a means to vent.

"There's this sense of angry, white working-class discontent," said Patricia Aufderheide, a professor of communication at American University who edited a book of essays on political correctness.

"Trump has given people permission to say things out loud that are usually tucked in until after the third drink at Thanksgiving dinner," she said. "But I think they've always been there."


-- (c) Associated Press 2016-04-11

[JakeSully]

And this is exactly why Trump will be a LOSER come November if he gets there.

[sirineou]

I like this term "Politically Incorrect" as if what he says is correct elsewhere but attacked because it is

"Politically Incorrect " .

[expat_4_life]

One of the most ridiculous manifestations of Political Correctness is these stupid public apologies.

The only thing worse than saying/doing something stupid is making one of these so called "apologies".

Check out the 2 pictures in this article about the Gap apology for advertising they ran .... totally absurd

http://www.examiner.com/article/gap-issues-ad-apology-two-ads-with-similar-images-but-one-eyed-as-racist

Edited April 11, 2016 by expat_4_life

[boomerangutang]

It's also politically incorrect to go in a restaurant and place your hand flat on a diner's salad, or to call European leaders 'loser wimps'. Does that mean Trump should do such things in order to garner more votes? It will probably work for the 17% redneck vote.

[ALLSEEINGEYE]

Politically incorrect is one thing, but what about being just plain WRONG about so many other things.

[grumpyoldman]

Guaranteed Titus Kottke does not hold a passport, does not have secondary education, has never met a Muslim person before and is not offended if someone were to call his mother a "fine piece of ass" as she is probably the size of most of the cattle he has to truck around.

He is a fine example of the mentality that supports Trump, white male stupidos. They cannot define bigotry. They are upset that their employer hired a Mexican for the jobs that they do because the Mexican shows up on time, without being hungover and works hard without being a wa*ker complainer.

"thousands of Muslims were cheering in New Jersey on 9/11 to celebrate the attacks on the World Trade Center"- D. Trump. No they weren't this is an out-and-out lie and yet the Titus Kottke profile believes this as true.

Voters who stand by Trump, followers here on this board, if you stand for this guy then you stand for racism, bigotry, misogyny (that's, you're against women Titus types will have a problem with such a big word), you stand with Trump in all things opposite of being a decent human being in this world, and that's pretty sad.

[slipperylobster]

I find it very refreshing.

Who (pray tell) wants a wimpy, suck up politician anyways. I hope we can get away from that. It's too "Canadian" for my taste.

Don't you just hate whinging, vegetarian, tree hugging, politically correct people..anyways? I do.

Edited April 11, 2016 by slipperylobster

[grumpyoldman]

I find it very refreshing.

Who (pray tell) wants a wimpy, suck up politician anyways. I hope we can get away from that. It's too "Canadian" for my taste.

Don't you just hate whinging, vegetarian, tree hugging, politically correct people..anyways? I do.

As stated "you stand with Trump in all things opposite of being a decent human being in this world".

[SheungWan]

I find it very refreshing.

Who (pray tell) wants a wimpy, suck up politician anyways. I hope we can get away from that. It's too "Canadian" for my taste.

Don't you just hate whinging, vegetarian, tree hugging, politically correct people..anyways? I do.

I will take them over the racist misogynist crowd whingeing constantly about political correctness most days of the week

Edited April 11, 2016 by SheungWan

[gandalf12]

Like him or hate him he is speaking what a great number of people think unlike the smarmy talk from Clinton

[SheungWan]

Like him or hate him he is speaking what a great number of people think unlike the smarmy talk from Clinton

So does Sanders, but that doesn't make either of them any less ridiculous.

[Stargeezr]

I think that the Americans will get the leader that they will think about and vote in for change.

Trump sure fits this category and so does Sanders. Ms. Clinton and Cruz fit the old

boys club category . I do have concerns about Trump, but I also have a lot of

concerns about Clinton. I guess we will all sit and wait the Summer to see who

does become the next President. of the USA

Geezer

[bark]

It's also politically incorrect to go in a restaurant and place your hand flat on a diner's salad, or to call European leaders 'loser wimps'. Does that mean Trump should do such things in order to garner more votes? It will probably work for the 17% redneck vote.

Sorry, but Rednecks; like to be called " White Trash". You are politically incorrect, I think.

[Chicog]

Since when has talking a load of rubbish made someone a "champion of political correctness"?

It's just talking a load of rubbish.

[Ulic]

And this is exactly why Trump will be a LOSER come November if he gets there.

I am not saying you are wrong but the dispersions cast against Trump by the GOP

establishment with comments taken out of context is amazing.

Remember it is South/Central American women in the thousands reporting when they

arrive in the US that they have been raped, almost all have been robbed by Mexican

gangs on multiple occasions, and extorted by coyotes. Many carry bales of marijuana

of Mexican black tar heroin to finance there journey. The southern US migration is a

dangerous and deadly journey. What Trump has said is spot on but over the top in its

delivery and out of context. As for Muslims entering the US. He said Muslims who were

not citizens should be stopped from entering the US "until we can figure out what is

going on". This is completely different that the way his statement has been covered.

Christians in Pakistan, Bangladesh, Egypt, Iraq, have been killed or chased out. This is

happening in all the predominantly Muslim countries around the world and little is said

or done. Christians are killed with impunity. What is wrong with stopping all migration and

tourist visas of Muslims from these countries. Saudi Arabia builds mosques around the

world and then parachutes extremist imams who preach jihad in those mosques to

impressionable Muslim youth. All Saudi imams should be banned from western countries

At least that is the way I see it. The time for PC talk is over. Call a spade a spade not an

agricultural implement.

[slipperylobster]

I find it very refreshing.

Who (pray tell) wants a wimpy, suck up politician anyways. I hope we can get away from that. It's too "Canadian" for my taste.

Don't you just hate whinging, vegetarian, tree hugging, politically correct people..anyways? I do.

As stated "you stand with Trump in all things opposite of being a decent human being in this world".

lol..

of all things... I suppose your idea of decent is HRC, Bush, Bill, O'bama, Nixon, (add on to the list)

I fail to see anything indecent about him. He brags and is repetitive, but I will take that over dishonesty and the lineage of sad presidents we have been stuck with..........anytime.

give me a break ...

[Grouse]

And this is exactly why Trump will be a LOSER come November if he gets there.

I am not saying you are wrong but the dispersions cast against Trump by the GOP

establishment with comments taken out of context is amazing.

Remember it is South/Central American women in the thousands reporting when they

arrive in the US that they have been raped, almost all have been robbed by Mexican

gangs on multiple occasions, and extorted by coyotes. Many carry bales of marijuana

of Mexican black tar heroin to finance there journey. The southern US migration is a

dangerous and deadly journey. What Trump has said is spot on but over the top in its

delivery and out of context. As for Muslims entering the US. He said Muslims who were

not citizens should be stopped from entering the US "until we can figure out what is

going on". This is completely different that the way his statement has been covered.

Christians in Pakistan, Bangladesh, Egypt, Iraq, have been killed or chased out. This is

happening in all the predominantly Muslim countries around the world and little is said

or done. Christians are killed with impunity. What is wrong with stopping all migration and

tourist visas of Muslims from these countries. Saudi Arabia builds mosques around the

world and then parachutes extremist imams who preach jihad in those mosques to

impressionable Muslim youth. All Saudi imams should be banned from western countries

At least that is the way I see it. The time for PC talk is over. Call a spade a spade not an

agricultural implement.

Who brought spades into this? Don't get me going...

[grumpyoldman]

Trumps America:

"Deportations begin"

"Markets sink as trade wars loom"

"New libel law targets "absolute scum" in press

Satirical piece using Trump's political incorrectness. Trump words.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/09/media/boston-globe-donald-trump-satire-front-page/

[slipperylobster]

And this is exactly why Trump will be a LOSER come November if he gets there.

Not many people will be calling Trump a "LOSER", just looking at the number of delegates he now holds (and more to come, next week). He is way out in front of Cruz.

If he makes the Nomination, He will face only Hillary. Hillary can't even order french fries, without making a big lie out it.

Bottom line...should he make the nomination but Hillary squeaks by (her voice is hardly mousy) I would say he done pretty darn well...overall.

Sad Ted really kicked his own butt by insulting the good people of New York. That idiot ruined his chances in that part of the country, completely. He needs to turn tail and head back to the MidWest...where people are simple (like him). I never seen such a self defeating episode. Go home Ted...nobody wants you in my state. lol

Edited April 11, 2016 by slipperylobster

[Chicog]

And this is exactly why Trump will be a LOSER come November if he gets there.

Not many people will be calling Trump a "LOSER", just looking at the number of delegates he now holds (and more to come, next week). He is way out in front of Cruz.

If he makes the Nomination, He will face only Hillary. Hillary can't even order french fries, without making a big lie out it.

Bottom line...should he make the nomination but Hillary squeaks by (her voice is hardly mousy) I would say he done pretty darn well...overall.

Sad Ted really kicked his own butt by insulting the good people of New York. That idiot ruined his chances in that part of the country, completely. He needs to turn tail and head back to the MidWest...where people are simple (like him). I never seen such a self defeating episode. Go home Ted...nobody wants you in my state. lol

Firstly, he isn't going to get enough delegates.

Secondly, they'll screw him at the convention.

Will he run as an independent?

Either way, Hillary creams him..... unless......

Bernie runs as an independent as well!

Why not? This election has been crazy enough already.

Added: Plus four way presidential debates reduce the opportunity for Trump to put his tiny foot in his big fat mouth.

Edited April 11, 2016 by Chicog

[55Jay]

Some people have anointed themselves arbitrator of what is and is not acceptable for everyone else. They attempt to lead the narrative and marginalize others. Disagreeing starts the ad hominem and generalizing - under-educated white male racist, misogynistic redneck.

They engage in the very behavior they are criticizing.

Edited April 11, 2016 by 55Jay

[slipperylobster]

Actually, he will probably sweep New York.

Stay tuned. I never said he would get enough delegates before the convention. However, he is waaaaaaaaaay ahead. lol. So much so, that it cannot be ignored.

Enough delegates or not.....yeah...republicans can screw him at the convention. No matter what happens, he really made a run of it. Bringing in a 3rd party at the convention, after seeing Trump win in so many states...is just foul play...(although it could be done).

Read between the lines, and there is a massive media blitz trying to sway public opinion against Trump. Many people are getting suckered into it.

I would not base my judgement of him by "sensational" headlines that he is a "Loser" or he is in a "Slump" or that he is "Despised" ....that is way over the top. Headlines should read....."Trump Waaaaaaay out front of Cruz and more delegates to come" No way Cruz is going to pass him before the convention.

Cruz is the big Loser...when it comes to delegates. That is quite crystal.

Edited April 11, 2016 by slipperylobster

[lostboy]

Some people have anointed themselves arbitrator of what is and is not acceptable for everyone else. They attempt to lead the narrative and marginalize others. Disagreeing starts the ad hominem and generalizing - under-educated white male racist, misogynistic redneck.

They engage in the very behavior they are criticizing.

Right Wing Victimhood! Shoes and other feet come to mind. Reaping and Sowing. All sorts of cliches.

Don't want to be called a racist, then don't make racist comments. Simple really.

[55Jay]

Some people have anointed themselves arbitrator of what is and is not acceptable for everyone else. They attempt to lead the narrative and marginalize others. Disagreeing starts the ad hominem and generalizing - under-educated white male racist, misogynistic redneck.

They engage in the very behavior they are criticizing.

Right Wing Victimhood! Shoes and other feet come to mind. Reaping and Sowing. All sorts of cliches.

Don't want to be called a racist, then don't make racist comments. Simple really.

The young guy quoted in this article didn't make any "racist" comment. Yet one poster here tarred him with the big brush.

Like saying all black people are lazy and dumb, because they are black. If they think that's unfair, well, they are just playing the victim card.

It is simple.

[Chicog]

Cruz is the big Loser...when it comes to delegates. That is quite crystal.

Cruz only has to stay in the game until the convention, I'm sure that's been his aim for a long time.

He's been quietly nicking delegates from right under Trump's nose.

[Chicog]

ike saying all black people are lazy and dumb, because they are black. If they think that's unfair, well, they are just playing the victim card.

It is simple.

It is not only unfair, it is stupid as well as racist.

A person who comes out with rubbish like that deserves the abuse, it is simple.

[55Jay]

ike saying all black people are lazy and dumb, because they are black. If they think that's unfair, well, they are just playing the victim card.

It is simple.

It is not only unfair, it is stupid as well as racist.

A person who comes out with rubbish like that deserves the abuse, it is simple.

That's the point. The guy in the article said no such thing. So, does he deserve the abuse anyway?

No.

[lostboy]

Some people have anointed themselves arbitrator of what is and is not acceptable for everyone else. They attempt to lead the narrative and marginalize others. Disagreeing starts the ad hominem and generalizing - under-educated white male racist, misogynistic redneck.

They engage in the very behavior they are criticizing.

Right Wing Victimhood! Shoes and other feet come to mind. Reaping and Sowing. All sorts of cliches.

Don't want to be called a racist, then don't make racist comments. Simple really.

The young guy quoted in this article didn't make any "racist" comment. Yet one poster here tarred him with the big brush.

Like saying all black people are lazy and dumb, because they are black. If they think that's unfair, well, they are just playing the victim card.

It is simple.

Playing cards? More Right Wing Victimhood. "Look Mommy, someone called me a racist because I said black people are lazy" So unfair, playing these cards. I guess some people think that such comments about cards reflects intelligent debate. Just disguised victimhood.

Don't want to be called a racist, then don't make racists comments. Simple really.

[grumpyoldman]

Some people have anointed themselves arbitrator of what is and is not acceptable for everyone else. They attempt to lead the narrative and marginalize others. Disagreeing starts the ad hominem and generalizing - under-educated white male racist, misogynistic redneck.

They engage in the very behavior they are criticizing.

Right Wing Victimhood! Shoes and other feet come to mind. Reaping and Sowing. All sorts of cliches.

Don't want to be called a racist, then don't make racist comments. Simple really.

The young guy quoted in this article didn't make any "racist" comment. Yet one poster here tarred him with the big brush.

Like saying all black people are lazy and dumb, because they are black. If they think that's unfair, well, they are just playing the victim card.

It is simple.

Playing cards? More Right Wing Victimhood. "Look Mommy, someone called me a racist because I said black people are lazy" So unfair, playing these cards. I guess some people think that such comments about cards reflects intelligent debate. Just disguised victimhood.

Don't want to be called a racist, then don't make racists comments. Simple really.

As well as don't align yourself with people that say "Mexicans are rapists". Which was my point 55Jay regarding the guy in the article.

If you stand with Trump, you stand for what he stands for, and in Trump's own words that's misogyny, racism, bigotry.

Do you need the re-quotes or are you good there?