Fake Thai monk with porno mag and orange car arrested

[laislica]

So all it needs is a Monks license?

We have driving licenses for public vehicles / m/c taxis etc so why not one for the "Real Monks"

To be worn round the neck and visible to the public at all times?

[off road pat]

Apparently those are real monks....!!

[Scouse Twoccer]

Why is his face blurred out, Buddhism is a revered institution here so shouldn't anyone who brings disgrace to it be exposed to the full ?

With all the money involved why is it I think there will be more to this than meets the eye ?

"Why is his face blurred out..."

Why? Because he's not guilty, yet and not being photographed is a right we all have.

"With all the money involved..."

What do you mean, "all the money", how much is involved, do you have information not available to the rest of us?

[Scouse Twoccer]

Considering some monks got to monkhood as choice between prison or wat, it is within reason to assume some of those in robes are criminals.

What a bizarrely daft thing to say, no convicted criminals in Thailand are given that option.

[mikiea]

Guy on the right looks like Thai Barney Rubble.

if one of those shirt button pop off , someone gunna loose a eye .....

[laislica]

Why is his face blurred out, Buddhism is a revered institution here so shouldn't anyone who brings disgrace to it be exposed to the full ?

With all the money involved why is it I think there will be more to this than meets the eye ?

"Why is his face blurred out..."

Why? Because he's not guilty, yet and not being photographed is a right we all have.

"With all the money involved..."

What do you mean, "all the money", how much is involved, do you have information not available to the rest of us?

Normally there is a pointing ceremony at the police station where the accused is shown off with the dozen or so cops who arrested him (or her)

Then there is the re-enactment of the crime (of the accused) with all the pictures in the papers.

Show his face same as everyone else!

Fair's fair.

[laislica]

why didnt he just join as a real monk?

Then he would have had to do Monks work like

taking care of the Wat and all the buildings.

Having to hang around the Wat for hours, being involved in various ceremonies, funerals etc.

As a fake with free accommodation and the status of a Monk, all the money he collected is his.

He can drive to other venues and ply his trade there.

He can visit the bars after changing into civvies of course.

Stay in nice hotels.......

Sounds a bit like being retired on a good pension 555

Works for me!!!

[Scouse Twoccer]

Are there any published guidelines to educate the public on the difference between a Real Monk, and a Fake Monk.

If not, why not. Seems to me that it may be very difficult to tell the difference. They dress alike, and walk the same way. Both are seeking

donations, and your seat on the bus or sky train. Even walking along in the upmarket shopping havens of Bangkok, it must be nearly

impossible for the average layman to tell them apart.

Just as an example, the person in this article is thought to have been parading around inn public as a fake monk for up to 5 years already.

And this is not the first time I have read about these so-called Fake Monks. Or is it a case of convenience, where any Monk can all of a sudden be

deemed a Fake Monk, if he was to run afoul of the hierarchy?

Obviously this is a big problem, and something needs to be done to educate the public to spot these, less than real, men in robes before they

have a chance to go about their evil ways.

Maybe the NLA should be re-called over the Song Kran holidays for an emergency debate on this pressing issue, or maybe an emergency cabinet meeting is in order.

"Are there any published guidelines to educate the public on the difference between a Real Monk, and a Fake Monk."

It's simple, all real monks carry monastic ID. If you're unsure ask to see it, if you're not able to read Thai don't get involved with them.

No monk, acting legitimately, will solicit money, so don't claim that they all ask for donations. If it happens and you want to get involved just ask for his official ID.

[laislica]

Are there any published guidelines to educate the public on the difference between a Real Monk, and a Fake Monk.

If not, why not. Seems to me that it may be very difficult to tell the difference. They dress alike, and walk the same way. Both are seeking

donations, and your seat on the bus or sky train. Even walking along in the upmarket shopping havens of Bangkok, it must be nearly

impossible for the average layman to tell them apart.

Just as an example, the person in this article is thought to have been parading around inn public as a fake monk for up to 5 years already.

And this is not the first time I have read about these so-called Fake Monks. Or is it a case of convenience, where any Monk can all of a sudden be

deemed a Fake Monk, if he was to run afoul of the hierarchy?

Obviously this is a big problem, and something needs to be done to educate the public to spot these, less than real, men in robes before they

have a chance to go about their evil ways.

Maybe the NLA should be re-called over the Song Kran holidays for an emergency debate on this pressing issue, or maybe an emergency cabinet meeting is in order.

"Are there any published guidelines to educate the public on the difference between a Real Monk, and a Fake Monk."

It's simple, all real monks carry monastic ID. If you're unsure ask to see it, if you're not able to read Thai don't get involved with them.

No monk, acting legitimately, will solicit money, so don't claim that they all ask for donations. If it happens and you want to get involved just ask for his official ID.

Can you show a picture of a monastic ID please.

(With personal details suitably blurred of course)

Google cannot help me, which I think is strange.

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[RichieKaen]

" "Nothing but a racket to take advantage of the people."

Sort of like the Church of Rome then?"

Whilst the Catholic church and other Christian churches have their fair share of baddies and charlatans they also do some good charitable work through organisations such as Saint Vincent de Paul Society, Salvation Army etc.

Do the Buddhists in Thailand have anything similar?

I tell my wife Buddha would be more pleased if she gave her donations to the poor people instead of the monks and the temples.

[Scouse Twoccer]

Years ago I sat next to an old monk in a bank and his bank book showed over 7,000,000 baht in it. So the abbot with only 200,000 must have lived in a small village!

You could read the Thai name of the account holder and see the current balance? Wow.

Perhaps it was the monastery's passbook, not his own?

[mankondang]

Why is his face blurred out, Buddhism is a revered institution here so shouldn't anyone who brings disgrace to it be exposed to the full ?

With all the money involved why is it I think there will be more to this than meets the eye ?

Why don't you put that question to Thairath. Who are responsible for both the image and the report?

[Scouse Twoccer]

So all it needs is a Monks license?

We have driving licenses for public vehicles / m/c taxis etc so why not one for the "Real Monks"

To be worn round the neck and visible to the public at all times?

That exists already, it's a monastic ID issued to all monks.

Making it mandatory to wear it around the neck would be a good idea if everyone else in the country, including you and I, had to do the same.

Edited April 13, 2016 by Scouse Twoccer

[laislica]

So all it needs is a Monks license?

We have driving licenses for public vehicles / m/c taxis etc so why not one for the "Real Monks"

To be worn round the neck and visible to the public at all times?

That exists already, it's a monastic ID issued to all monks.

Making it mandatory to wear it around the neck would be a good idea if everyone else in the country, including you and I, had to do the same.

Pity I didn't see this thread before we went to our local Wat to make Tamboon this morning.

I would have asked the Monk to show me his ID

Only needs to be openly worn by those with a license to beg (for food and clothing?)

The license for the blind or a cripple is obvious to all, always, and I will give to them cos they need help (well most of them do)

Why are few monks thin?

[Scouse Twoccer]

Why is his face blurred out, Buddhism is a revered institution here so shouldn't anyone who brings disgrace to it be exposed to the full ?

With all the money involved why is it I think there will be more to this than meets the eye ?

"Why is his face blurred out..."

Why? Because he's not guilty, yet and not being photographed is a right we all have.

"With all the money involved..."

What do you mean, "all the money", how much is involved, do you have information not available to the rest of us?

Normally there is a pointing ceremony at the police station where the accused is shown off with the dozen or so cops who arrested him (or her)

Then there is the re-enactment of the crime (of the accused) with all the pictures in the papers.

Show his face same as everyone else!

Fair's fair.

Fair's fair indeed. That is why we all have the same right to not be identified in the manner you and others suggest, that is why frequently many arrestee's faces are not shown .

If someone doesn't exercise that right to anonymity that is up to them and they can then be identified. Identification in these circumstances cannot be forced on anyone.

Edited April 13, 2016 by Scouse Twoccer

[laislica]

Why is his face blurred out, Buddhism is a revered institution here so shouldn't anyone who brings disgrace to it be exposed to the full ?

With all the money involved why is it I think there will be more to this than meets the eye ?

"Why is his face blurred out..."

Why? Because he's not guilty, yet and not being photographed is a right we all have.

"With all the money involved..."

What do you mean, "all the money", how much is involved, do you have information not available to the rest of us?

Normally there is a pointing ceremony at the police station where the accused is shown off with the dozen or so cops who arrested him (or her)

Then there is the re-enactment of the crime (of the accused) with all the pictures in the papers.

Show his face same as everyone else!

Fair's fair.

Fair's fair indeed. That is why we all have the same right to not be identified in the manner you and others suggest, that is why many arrestee's faces are not shown .

If someone doesn't exercise that right to anonymity that is up to them and they can then be identified. Identification in these circumstances cannot be forced on anyone.

Perhaps with the exception of Thailand?

[Scouse Twoccer]

"Are there any published guidelines to educate the public on the difference between a Real Monk, and a Fake Monk."

It's simple, all real monks carry monastic ID. If you're unsure ask to see it, if you're not able to read Thai don't get involved with them.

No monk, acting legitimately, will solicit money, so don't claim that they all ask for donations. If it happens and you want to get involved just ask for his official ID.

Can you show a picture of a monastic ID please.

(With personal details suitably blurred of course)

Google cannot help me, which I think is strange.

EDIT

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If the link is not allowed then try to Google for:

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No, I can't. Ask a monk.

Google doesn't have everything, you know, but that doesn't mean that if what you're looking for isn't there it doesn't exist.

[thaiduncankk]

So all it needs is a Monks license?

That exists already, it's a monastic ID issued to all monks.

Making it mandatory to wear it around the neck would be a good idea if everyone else in the country, including you and I, had to do the same.

I'm sure such an ID would be available in Khao San Road for a small fee ?

[Radar501]

I expected to see a very large finger from the heavens pointing down at the accused.

[Scouse Twoccer]

" "Nothing but a racket to take advantage of the people."

Sort of like the Church of Rome then?"

Whilst the Catholic church and other Christian churches have their fair share of baddies and charlatans they also do some good charitable work through organisations such as Saint Vincent de Paul Society, Salvation Army etc.

Do the Buddhists in Thailand have anything similar?

I tell my wife Buddha would be more pleased if she gave her donations to the poor people instead of the monks and the temples.

"Whilst the Catholic church and other Christian churches have their fair share of baddies and charlatans they also do some good charitable work through organisations such as Saint Vincent de Paul Society, Salvation Army etc."

Nonsense, both of those organisations are independent of the churches and the churches do not do any "good charitable work" through them.

Edited April 13, 2016 by Scouse Twoccer

[luckyman]

Conning people out of money, pornography, private car?

They should make him the head of an order somewhere.

He sounds ideal.

Pity he hasn't a plane, but I'm sure he could work on that.

Haha, nice 1 ! And unfortunately so close to reality of todays buddhism in Thailand....

[dunroaming]

Fake monk he may be but it seems he fits the role rather well. Maybe he should just join properly and then have the cover of authenticity. There are far worse things that happen behind the closed doors and just occasionally it gets exposed. Anyone visiting the big computer stores near Central in Chiang Mai will find young monks huddled around the shops selling porn dvds.

[HerbalEd]

Conning people out of money, pornography, private car?

They should make him the head of an order somewhere.

He sounds ideal.

Pity he hasn't a plane, but I'm sure he could work on that.

I bet you've never spent time in the monkhood.

He's a FAKE monk. Real monks don't do this.

I assume you are trying to make a poor joke?

Evidently you haven't spent much time reading Thai news. If you did, you'd know that many supposedly "Real monks" .. esp. the higher echelon ... have been proven to have sex with their followers, to own expensive cars, to have embezzled temple funds, etc.,

[RichieKaen]

" "Nothing but a racket to take advantage of the people."

Sort of like the Church of Rome then?"

Whilst the Catholic church and other Christian churches have their fair share of baddies and charlatans they also do some good charitable work through organisations such as Saint Vincent de Paul Society, Salvation Army etc.

Do the Buddhists in Thailand have anything similar?

I tell my wife Buddha would be more pleased if she gave her donations to the poor people instead of the monks and the temples.

"Whilst the Catholic church and other Christian churches have their fair share of baddies and charlatans they also do some good charitable work through organisations such as Saint Vincent de Paul Society, Salvation Army etc."

Nonsense, both of those organisations are independent of the churches and the churches do not do any "good charitable work" through them.

Not that I'm a church going person myself but I will give credit where it's due. Regarding your comments on Saint Vincent de Paul Society and Salvation Army in relation to Christian churches, Google them and shine a light on your ignorance

[Guest]

" "Nothing but a racket to take advantage of the people."

Sort of like the Church of Rome then?"

Whilst the Catholic church and other Christian churches have their fair share of baddies and charlatans they also do some good charitable work through organisations such as Saint Vincent de Paul Society, Salvation Army etc.

Do the Buddhists in Thailand have anything similar?

I tell my wife Buddha would be more pleased if she gave her donations to the poor people instead of the monks and the temples.

"Whilst the Catholic church and other Christian churches have their fair share of baddies and charlatans they also do some good charitable work through organisations such as Saint Vincent de Paul Society, Salvation Army etc."

Nonsense, both of those organisations are independent of the churches and the churches do not do any "good charitable work" through them.

Not that I'm a church going person myself but I will give credit where it's due. Regarding your comments on Saint Vincent de Paul Society and Salvation Army in relation to Christian churches, Google them and shine a light on your ignorance

(It will be interesting to see if this posting is censored. Interesting because Thai Visa allows any negative comment about Buddhism ... let's see if the sword cuts both ways with Christianity)

He is technically correct. The Salvation Army is its own independent Methodist Church .. so therefore ... OTHER churches do not work with them or for them.

The vast fortune accumulated by "The Church" ... ??

Only a very small portion ever comes to benefit the poor and downtrodden .. as Jesus Christ is said to have taught.

Before you argue ... consider this .. IF the Church were following the teachings of Christ, there would be NO RESERVES or hidden Billions ... those donations would be hard at work for the less fortunate.

So before you insult and degrade the Thai Buddhist population (a rather stupid thing to do if you live in the Kingdom, by the way) ... consider the rivers of blood Christianity has produced, and the proportionally small help they have provided the world.

In short, when looking for examples of hypocrisy in religion, look no further than the Cross.

Don't even get me started on the protection they afford pedophiles.

Put that in your Thai Bashing Pipe and smoke it.

[Artisi]

Conning people out of money, pornography, private car?

They should make him the head of an order somewhere.

He sounds ideal.

Pity he hasn't a plane, but I'm sure he could work on that.

I bet you've never spent time in the monkhood.

He's a FAKE monk. Real monks don't do this.

I assume you are trying to make a poor joke?

Are you really serious, or are you trying to be funny as well?

[Artisi]

Guy on the right looks like Thai Barney Rubble.

and the guy on the left looks like he is ready to beat the living sh.. out of the monk.

Maybe he just looks that way because that's his first arrest of a monk. Now the policeman on the right seems disinterested....probably thinking I've arrested many monks over the years.

Monks are just human....some are good monks...some are bad monks...and some monks are just fake as my Thai wife always tells me.

Flawed argument as he isn't a monk.

[Johnniey]

Conning people out of money, pornography, private car?

They should make him the head of an order somewhere.

He sounds ideal.

Pity he hasn't a plane, but I'm sure he could work on that.

I bet you've never spent time in the monkhood.

He's a FAKE monk. Real monks don't do this.

I assume you are trying to make a poor joke?

And how many times do we hear of REAL monks, usually senior, up to their necks in questionable behaviour, more often than not involving the aquisition of money and other assets ?

Unfortunately for Buddhism real monks do should things.

They are NOT real monks.

[lemonjelly]

Still, love the orange Peugeot touch. You'd need a solid belief system to drive one of those in Thailand, Peugeot stopped making the 305 in 1989. He couldn't have been scamming that much money if he had to drive a 30 year old banger around.

Edited April 13, 2016 by lemonjelly

[Caveat Emptor]

Conning people out of money, pornography, private car?

They should make him the head of an order somewhere.

He sounds ideal.

Pity he hasn't a plane, but I'm sure he could work on that.

I bet you've never spent time in the monkhood.

He's a FAKE monk. Real monks don't do this.

I assume you are trying to make a poor joke?

And how many times do we hear of REAL monks, usually senior, up to their necks in questionable behaviour, more often than not involving the aquisition of money and other assets ?

Unfortunately for Buddhism real monks do should things.

They are NOT real monks.

You really should pass on your wisdom to the ruling council as a senior monk being considered as the next Supreme Patriarch is under investigation by the DSI.

Since he can't be a real monk how can he be considered for the top job ?

You are playing semantics, badly.