Dental Implant prices that I have been quoted in Thailand

[stud858]

Interesting comments about cost of a tiny piece of titanium.

 

I say don't be afraid to choose the cheaper Korean made. 

 

 

 

 

 

[giddyup]

I have lost nearly all my molars now, but at 76 I don't think implants are feasible for me. For one, I don't want to spend days and days in a dentist chair with possible bone grafts etc, and as many implants as I possibly need the cost would be huge, but the price is a minor concern. All the molars I've lost have been crowns done in Thailand 8-10 years ago and decay has got under every one without me knowing until it was too late. I've had a gutful of dentists and at my age I think partial dentures will be the way to go. Rant over.

[mogandave]

Once you get used to partials they’re not too bad, but implants are much nicer.

I’ve never had to have a bone graft for an implant, but the dentist should be able to tell you how good a candidate you are.

If you don’t smoke you’re typically a better candidate.

I have not had any difficulty with any of the crowns I’ve gotten in Thailand.

[atyclb]

40 minutes ago, stud858 said:

Interesting comments about cost of a tiny piece of titanium.

 

I say don't be afraid to choose the cheaper Korean made. 

 

 

 

 

 

indeed.

 

'Most of implant direct's legacy implants are designed by Niznick and directly copied from Niznick's own designs at Zimmer. You can't fault a guy that builds a great dental implant company, sells it, and then opens another and builds it with similar principles.

Yes I agree there is little/no scientific data using implant direct versus major companies but their implants are the real deal, are 99% the same as the competitors and are a good value option compared to major manufacturers. '

 

https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/why-implants-is-so-much-costly.962098/

[KittenKong]

1 hour ago, giddyup said:

I have lost nearly all my molars now, but at 76 I don't think implants are feasible for me. For one, I don't want to spend days and days in a dentist chair with possible bone grafts etc, and as many implants as I possibly need the cost would be huge, but the price is a minor concern. All the molars I've lost have been crowns done in Thailand 8-10 years ago and decay has got under every one without me knowing until it was too late. I've had a gutful of dentists and at my age I think partial dentures will be the way to go. Rant over.

The total time spent in the chair for an implant - including a bone graft - will probably be only a couple of hours spread over about four/five visits.

 

If all your teeth are bad/missing you could consider "all-on-six" implants where they put in six implants and mount a complete set of replacement teeth onto them (that's per jaw). "All-on-four" also exists. Proper advice should be taken before deciding which is best for you.

 

When I was a child I had a brace (retainer) for several years. I hated it with a vengeance and since then have never wanted any sort of prosthetic in my mouth that I can feel. Implants fit this bill as I honestly cant tell which teeth are mine and which came from Steve Austin.

[mogandave]

I only have one jaw...

[GinBoy2]

4 hours ago, KittenKong said:

 

When I was a child I had a brace (retainer) for several years. I hated it with a vengeance and since then have never wanted any sort of prosthetic in my mouth that I can feel. Implants fit this bill as I honestly cant tell which teeth are mine and which came from Steve Austin.

Thats it in a nutshell for me. Once you've had an implant, and assuming that it's a decent crown, it looks and feels just like your own teeth.

No special cleaning, nada, and after a few weeks you totally forget it's there. Although as I've said in a previous comment, even though I hated the recovery period, I've never regretted for one minute having an implant done

[atyclb]

16 hours ago, stud858 said:

Interesting comments about cost of a tiny piece of titanium.

 

I say don't be afraid to choose the cheaper Korean made. 

 

 

 

 

 

not only korean but israel companies produce top quality top quality implants also at realistic prices. according to a study i posted on this thread, results are not related to implant cost but selection of correct one for particular patient.  

 

another interesting study from sweden about implant failure found failure % same for general dentists and implant specialists.

[cusanus]

On 12/17/2018 at 8:53 AM, atyclb said:

not only korean but israel companies produce top quality top quality implants also at realistic prices. according to a study i posted on this thread, results are not related to implant cost but selection of correct one for particular patient.  another interesting study from sweden about implant failure found failure % same for general dentists and implant specialists.

Osstem implants are the lowest priced I found in Thailand a few years ago and I can't imagine anything better than my own experience. Yeah, you can go to India, but that's 2x airfare for a rush job and even that takes more than one trip, and a lot more time and money if it doesn't come through right. I don't care much for scientific studies, either, because most of the dentists I had back in the states I wouldn't trust to pop a bottle cap and I'm absolutely certain it takes a great deal of training to follow the procedure my specialist followed that he went to school to learn in California. Sort of like yanking somebody out of a line at random to pilot an airliner.  But suit yourself, it's your money and your mouth. 

[atyclb]

2 hours ago, cusanus said:

On 12/17/2018 at 8:53 AM, atyclb said:

not only korean but israel companies produce top quality top quality implants also at realistic prices. according to a study i posted on this thread, results are not related to implant cost but selection of correct one for particular patient.  another interesting study from sweden about implant failure found failure % same for general dentists and implant specialists.

Osstem implants are the lowest priced I found in Thailand a few years ago and I can't imagine anything better than my own experience. Yeah, you can go to India, but that's 2x airfare for a rush job and even that takes more than one trip, and a lot more time and money if it doesn't come through right. I don't care much for scientific studies, either, because most of the dentists I had back in the states I wouldn't trust to pop a bottle cap and I'm absolutely certain it takes a great deal of training to follow the procedure my specialist followed that he went to school to learn in California. Sort of like yanking somebody out of a line at random to pilot an airliner.  But suit yourself, it's your money and your mouth. 

 

 

imagination aside, there are literally tens of thousands of people around the world that are extremely pleased with their results. shhhh, that did not get it done where you went. shhh secret stuff here.

 

a potential implant candidate would have to get some studies first to see if they are good candidates for immediate loading implants because everyone is not. that gets done before getting on an airplane.

 

scientific studies-research is one of the hallmarks/ gold standard of medical-dental science and not infrequently gets a footnote in a textbook thus not caring much for scientific studies is like disbelieving modern medicine-dentistry. not infrequently new and or amended textbook sections are based on research. each and every medical procedure/therapeutic device must be research approved first.

 

needing to travel to california to learn a procedure suggests the expertise does not exist in the dentists home country for such learning. it also suggests at least some usa dentists are decent enough as your dentist traveled so far for a teacher.

 

below some interesting snippets and references to such

 

'Why do dental implants fail?'

A recent Swedish clinical study of 588 patients who had received implants nine years prior revealed some frustrating results.1 The large majority of the implants were Astra Tech, Nobel Biocare, Straumann, and a few miscellaneous brands. After nine years of implant service, 45% percent of the patients had peri-implantitis with bone loss greater than 0.5 mm accompanied by bleeding on probing/suppuration.1 Moderate to severe peri-implantitis and bone loss greater than 2 mm was present in 14.5% of the patients.1 Patients with periodontitis and with more than four implants exhibited higher odds for moderate to severe peri-implantitis.

https://www.dentaleconomics.com/articles/print/volume-108/issue-9/science-tech/why-do-dental-implants-fail.html

 

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'New study finds troubling rates of dental implant complications'

 

Interestingly, the rate of implant failure did not differ between the general practice and specialty practices. “22% of all patients in the present sample received their implants in a general practice setting, and implant los in this subgroup was not different from outcomes in patients treated in specialist clinics,” the study stated.'

 

http://www.dentalproductsreport.com/dental/article/new-study-finds-troubling-rates-dental-implant-complications

Edited December 18, 2018 by atyclb

[mogandave]

My first implant was done by a dentist in California 20 years ago and it’s still great.

[stud858]

5 hours ago, mogandave said:

My first implant was done by a dentist in California 20 years ago and it’s still great.
 

I'm sure it will last your life time and some of your second. I've got a crown and post and after a few reglues it's still hanging in there after 35 years thanks recently to a glass ionomer glue.

Keep on chomping!

[atyclb]

On 12/16/2018 at 3:31 PM, stud858 said:

Interesting comments about cost of a tiny piece of titanium.

 

I say don't be afraid to choose the cheaper Korean made. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

have a look at https://store.implantdirect.com/implant.html .  made in usa and us fda approved. seems implant hardware varies from 150 -230 usd excluding abutment and crown.

 

this company is quite bold by industry norms as typically the prices are only available to registered professionals.  competition

[Dumbastheycome]

Whoa !  After all the  above I  think I will  just  keep  gumming  on ! ????

[cusanus]

12 hours ago, atyclb said:

 

have a look at https://store.implantdirect.com/implant.html .  made in usa and us fda approved. seems implant hardware varies from 150 -230 usd excluding abutment and crown. 

To summarize, Atyclib claims that scientific studies show that untrained dentists do as good a job as trained surgeons for implants (but doesn't cite his sources). I had eight years university science and don't believe it, not that you can't dig up a scientific study to support any opinion, while most "scientific" studies have strong links to the industry that benefits from the results and many are heavily biased. If there really were significant problems with 45% of all those implant brands I'd have taken note before I took the plunge, but please include the web links. As I recall, a very thorough study showed roughly 4% failure with Osstems. One major cause is motion so if you grind your teeth all night, better think about that. Also, most failures are repeats with the same individuals, meaning that a very few people have an allergy or rejection or hard use issue, but most of us do not. I go very easy on my chompers. In any case, this is a delicate procedure and failures can be very messy, so go ahead and take the budget route if you like, but I was able to afford a high quality service that treated me far better than anything I'd experienced in the past 65 years, so I was very happy with plenty of money left in the bank. And, sure, there are other good ones out there, I just plugged Elite Smile in Chiang Mai as a reasonable priced, high quality option for those living here. Most work, indeed, I do get done through the government hospitals, such as two zirconia crowns that Elite would charge me 15,000 baht each for, but I got for 3,000 baht using the economy route. They seem just fine, but I'm not so confident about them. Time will tell...

Edited December 30, 2018 by cusanus

[Sheryl]

A great deal depends on the quality of professional training and experience.

 

In Thailand medicine and dentistry are both highly specialized and doctors and dentists rarely venture beyond their area of specialization. Many things that general dentists would do in the West, they do not do here. Root canals for example. Conversely dentists specializing in implants or root canals will usually not do simple fillings (a bit harder to understand since they will have had to have training in that as part of their basic dentistry courses...but so it is). I think it may have to do with the extreme emphasis on rote learning from the earliest grades on up.

 

So in Thailand I would recommend only an implant specialist. You'd have trouble finding a general dentist to do it in any case.

 

Sent from my SM-J701F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app

 

 

 

 

[cusanus]

1 hour ago, cusanus said:

To summarize, Atyclib claims that scientific studies show that untrained dentists do as good a job as trained surgeons for implants (but doesn't cite his sources). 

Thought I'd add this note as just got done talking to a person who's had a regular dentist (not in Thailand) do his implant with disastrous results: bad appearance and a lot of pain for some months now. The dentist keeps telling him to just wait it out. The gum around the implant is lower, making him think perhaps it was put in too deeply. The crown is also discolored and with some sort of patchwork done of a different color. I told him to find a trained dental implant surgeon and try to have the work repaired before more serious problems arise. Cost at this point should not matter. I much agree with SheryL, also my experience that dentists in Thailand are highly specialized, but my first attempt at scoping out implants ran into a pretender who after saying the exam was free, charged me 800 baht for X rays. She recommended a post instead (at a cost not much less), then it became apparent that she really could not perform the implant advertised. I finally went to Elite Smile, had many X rays and appointments but was never charged a dime for any of them. You have to be careful.  

Edited December 30, 2018 by cusanus

[atyclb]

3 hours ago, cusanus said:

15 hours ago, atyclb said:

 

have a look at https://store.implantdirect.com/implant.html .  made in usa and us fda approved. seems implant hardware varies from 150 -230 usd excluding abutment and crown. 

To summarize, Atyclib claims that scientific studies show that untrained dentists do as good a job as trained surgeons for implants (but doesn't cite his sources). I had eight years university science and don't believe it, not that you can't dig up a scientific study to support any opinion, while most "scientific" studies have strong links to the industry that benefits from the results and many are heavily biased. If there really were significant problems with 45% of all those implant brands I'd have taken note before I took the plunge, but please include the web links. As I recall, a very thorough study showed roughly 4% failure with Osstems. One major cause is motion so if you grind your teeth all night, better think about that. Also, most failures are repeats with the same individuals, meaning that a very few people have an allergy or rejection or hard use issue, but most of us do not. I go very easy on my chompers. In any case, this is a delicate procedure and failures can be very messy, so go ahead and take the budget route if you like, but I was able to afford a high quality service that treated me far better than anything I'd experienced in the past 65 years, so I was very happy with plenty of money left in the bank. And, sure, there are other good ones out there, I just plugged Elite Smile in Chiang Mai as a reasonable priced, high quality option for those living here. Most work, indeed, I do get done through the government hospitals, such as two zirconia crowns that Elite would charge me 15,000 baht each for, but I got for 3,000 baht using the economy route. They seem just fine, but I'm not so confident about them. Time will tell...

Edited 3 hours ago by cusanus

 

 

you seem to be responding to a different post of mine and not the one quoted about implants direct. i posted it to make the point that high quality usa made, usa fda approved implants do indeed exist and the price is much more in line for "a small piece of titanium"

 

highly likely the swedish dentists that do not limit their practice to implants are not "untrained" typically they acquire additional training in implants by attending courses and/or clinical workshops or university mini internships, similar to what your dentist did by going to california.

 

now getting back to your content; my sources are cited in a clear manner. had you read the link you would have easily seen the full article link

https://gupea.ub.gu.se/bitstream/2077/39544/1/gupea_2077_39544_1.pdf . Department of Periodontology Institute of Odontology Sahlgrenska Academy University of Gothenburg .   read the study. it is a well designed, well delineated one from a respected institution.  it would be nice for you to share a link citing dental implant publications from the dentist that did your implants.

 

you have said dont put much credence into studies and comment on your 8 years of university science. that being the case you then contradict yourself by saying if there were 45% problems with implants you'd have taken note before the plunge. again, just read the study.

 

the study does not suggest pro-industry bias at all, just the opposite, objectivity.

[atyclb]

3 hours ago, cusanus said:

4 hours ago, cusanus said:

To summarize, Atyclib claims that scientific studies show that untrained dentists do as good a job as trained surgeons for implants (but doesn't cite his sources). 

Thought I'd add this note as just got done talking to a person who's had a regular dentist (not in Thailand) do his implant with disastrous results: bad appearance and a lot of pain for some months now. The dentist keeps telling him to just wait it out. The gum around the implant is lower, making him think perhaps it was put in too deeply. The crown is also discolored and with some sort of patchwork done of a different color. I told him to find a trained dental implant surgeon and try to have the work repaired before more serious problems arise. Cost at this point should not matter. I much agree with SheryL, also my experience that dentists in Thailand are highly specialized, but my first attempt at scoping out implants ran into a pretender who after saying the exam was free, charged me 800 baht for X rays. She recommended a post instead (at a cost not much less), then it became apparent that she really could not perform the implant advertised. I finally went to Elite Smile, had many X rays and appointments but was never charged a dime for any of them. You have to be careful.  

 

surely as someone with 8 years of university science you would understand "sample size" as it relates to validity of study, confidence level, etc etc. when assigning validity to "one person you spoke with that had a poor outcome/result"  i had no love for statistics/epidemiology but this is the most basic concept.

 

the xray study needed to determine candidacy for implants is a cbct(a far cry from standard dental xray) and it is highly doubtful many dentists would do it for free unless it is factored in to the total cost for implants, in which case it is not free.

Edited December 30, 2018 by atyclb

[cusanus]

19 hours ago, atyclb said:

 

surely as someone with 8 years of university science you would understand "sample size" as it relates to validity of study, confidence level, etc etc. when assigning validity to "one person you spoke with that had a poor outcome/result"  i had no love for statistics/epidemiology but this is the most basic concept. 

the xray study needed to determine candidacy for implants is a cbct(a far cry from standard dental xray) and it is highly doubtful many dentists would do it for free unless it is factored in to the total cost for implants, in which case it is not free.

Oh, indeed, sir, I understand statistical designs far more than you ever could. I had the very best training from nationally respected statisticians in the field. Here's a link to a statistical theorem I wrote to improve the quality of parameters such as the standard p(F) used to assess replicated data sets (requires Flash Player), http://foosresearch.appspot.com. I'm a bit reluctant to post it since being disciplined for a personal weblink once before, but it is a legitimate, useful and professional contribution to the field of research and mathematical study that no one has disputed since 1978 when I first wrote it. I'm sure you're intelligent enough to grasp the concept. As for the X ray issue, I repeat... The Osstem implant work done by Elite Smile in CM was far cheaper than any other I could find locally, the work done of the highest professional quality, and the product seems to be as good as any. I was not charged a single baht for any X ray or appointment, so I believe you must assume it was factored in to the implant fee. The person I've recently conversed with is not a research study, he's a live human being who's suffering from a bad experience. I tend to give more weight to personal experiences than I do university studies, which are not infrequently biased for any number of reasons however good the mathematics cited. 

Edited December 31, 2018 by cusanus

[atyclb]

5 hours ago, cusanus said:

On 12/30/2018 at 12:31 PM, atyclb said:

 

surely as someone with 8 years of university science you would understand "sample size" as it relates to validity of study, confidence level, etc etc. when assigning validity to "one person you spoke with that had a poor outcome/result"  i had no love for statistics/epidemiology but this is the most basic concept. 

the xray study needed to determine candidacy for implants is a cbct(a far cry from standard dental xray) and it is highly doubtful many dentists would do it for free unless it is factored in to the total cost for implants, in which case it is not free.

Oh, indeed, sir, I understand statistical designs far more than you ever could. I had the very best training from nationally respected statisticians in the field. Here's a link to a statistical theorem I wrote to improve the quality of parameters such as the standard p(F) used to assess replicated data sets (requires Flash Player), http://foosresearch.appspot.com. I'm a bit reluctant to post it since being disciplined for a personal weblink once before, but it is a legitimate, useful and professional contribution to the field of research and mathematical study that no one has disputed since 1978 when I first wrote it. I'm sure you're intelligent enough to grasp the concept. As for the X ray issue, I repeat... The Osstem implant work done by Elite Smile in CM was far cheaper than any other I could find locally, the work done of the highest professional quality, and the product seems to be as good as any. I was not charged a single baht for any X ray or appointment, so I believe you must assume it was factored in to the implant fee. The person I've recently conversed with is not a research study, he's a live human being who's suffering from a bad experience. I tend to give more weight to personal experiences than I do university studies, which are not infrequently biased for any number of reasons however good the mathematics cited. 

 

very cool theorem, thesis i assume. 

 

you can find poor results/outcomes in every country. my posts are not pro or con about any given local*1, just about the underlying science and pricing. can find horror stories/terrible reviews if you search. it would be unfair for me to say i spoke to one dental patient with poor result, many problems that had the work done in thailand. this is why i am quite surprised especially in light of your unusually advanced understanding of statistics.

 

it would seem reasonable for dentists to offer the usa fda usa manufactured implants also as it would lower the costs to patients.  i believe the thai fda generally accepts usa fda approved technology/medications.

 

 

*1 personally if i needed extensive work done i would look into quality facilities where pricing is more affordable.

Edited December 31, 2018 by atyclb

[Explore3]

On 4/21/2016 at 12:42 PM, spidermike007 said:

Look into India. About a third of the price of Thailand for this kind of work.

 

On 4/21/2016 at 4:35 PM, Changoverandout said:

My wife fell breaking her jaw and teeth. As well as other non-related dental work the quote in Nakhon Sawan was 335,000 THB for work done on 18 teeth including 5 implants, 4 crowns & 3 bridges.

I sent xrays to dentists in Calcutta and we are going in Jan for stage 1 over 2 weeks, then stage 2 over a week 3 months later. For a cost of 116,000 THB (INR equivalent). Great food & drink whilst there too!!

Any feedback on India.  I would usually get medical/dental care in the Philippines, Singapore or Thailand.  I would be willing to go to India, if it made financial sense.  However, dental implants require multiple visits.

 

PS I know this is an old post. The original post that included prices at various dental clinics was very interesting to me.

[cusanus]

6 hours ago, Explore3 said:

Any feedback on India.  I would usually get medical/dental care in the Philippines, Singapore or Thailand.  I would be willing to go to India, if it made financial sense.  However, dental implants require multiple visits. PS I know this is an old post. The original post that included prices at various dental clinics was very interesting to me.

IMHO he had a good deal in Thailand. Factor in the costs of flying back and forth and questionable quality and you might come out ahead, at least up until you found the job has to be fixed or redone after complications. Well, that's what happened to my 3,000 baht zirconia crowns at the gov hospital, so I'm back to Elite Smile and paying 45,000 baht to have them done right. That'll end up double after I have some cavities fixed and a couple more crowns, but the work cannot be outdone and that ought to fix me up for 5-10 years. For my five implants a couple of years ago I had to wait 3-4 months after an extraction before the implant was done, more visits for impressions, etc, then more weeks until the zirconia crown was sculpted to fit.  I realize the whole job can theoretically be pounded out in a day or two, but I'm happy with what I got. The 5 implants and 7 crowns a couple of years ago cost 300,000 baht. It helps if you can afford it. Oh, Elite Smile is in Chiang Mai, Pantip Plaza. Well worth it. 

Edited March 12, 2019 by cusanus

[Bang Bang]

On 4/21/2016 at 4:35 PM, Changoverandout said:

My wife fell breaking her jaw and teeth. As well as other non-related dental work the quote in Nakhon Sawan was 335,000 THB for work done on 18 teeth including 5 implants, 4 crowns & 3 bridges.

I sent xrays to dentists in Calcutta and we are going in Jan for stage 1 over 2 weeks, then stage 2 over a week 3 months later. For a cost of 116,000 THB (INR equivalent). Great food & drink whilst there too!!

Like a BM above me I am curious as well. How did it go in Kolkata, Changoverandout?

 

Flights Bkk-CCu-Bkk can be as cheap as 4000+ b. so India certainly becomes viable if the treatment is good.

[Thairealist]

On 3/12/2019 at 3:14 PM, Bang Bang said:

Like a BM above me I am curious as well. How did it go in Kolkata, Changoverandout?

 

Flights Bkk-CCu-Bkk can be as cheap as 4000+ b. so India certainly becomes viable if the treatment is good.

If you can obtain a recommendation of a Dentist,it’s well worth a thought.

[atyclb]

1 hour ago, Thairealist said:

On 3/12/2019 at 10:14 PM, Bang Bang said:

Like a BM above me I am curious as well. How did it go in Kolkata, Changoverandout?

 

Flights Bkk-CCu-Bkk can be as cheap as 4000+ b. so India certainly becomes viable if the treatment is good.

If you can obtain a recommendation of a Dentist,it’s well worth a thought.

 

apollo hospitals is the india equivalent of bumrungrad and they have a network throughout india.  they also have dental.  seem to have good reputation. i never used them nor have i had dental carein india but seems a reasonable place to start research. i have zero commercial interest in this.

i have had much dental work in vietnam (crowns and root canal) with great results and a fraction of thailand price. luckily have not needed implants

 

https://www.apollowhitedental.com/

Edited March 16, 2019 by atyclb

[spidermike007]

On 3/12/2019 at 8:49 PM, cusanus said:

IMHO he had a good deal in Thailand. Factor in the costs of flying back and forth and questionable quality and you might come out ahead, at least up until you found the job has to be fixed or redone after complications. Well, that's what happened to my 3,000 baht zirconia crowns at the gov hospital, so I'm back to Elite Smile and paying 45,000 baht to have them done right. That'll end up double after I have some cavities fixed and a couple more crowns, but the work cannot be outdone and that ought to fix me up for 5-10 years. For my five implants a couple of years ago I had to wait 3-4 months after an extraction before the implant was done, more visits for impressions, etc, then more weeks until the zirconia crown was sculpted to fit.  I realize the whole job can theoretically be pounded out in a day or two, but I'm happy with what I got. The 5 implants and 7 crowns a couple of years ago cost 300,000 baht. It helps if you can afford it. Oh, Elite Smile is in Chiang Mai, Pantip Plaza. Well worth it. 

I have outstanding crowns done in the US, by a great dentist who caters to a non insured, cash crowd. $400 each. Some dental work here is just overpriced. 

[mogandave]

I have outstanding crowns done in the US, by a great dentist who caters to a non insured, cash crowd. $400 each. Some dental work here is just overpriced. 

What dentist?

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

On 3/16/2019 at 11:59 AM, spidermike007 said:

I have outstanding crowns done in the US, by a great dentist who caters to a non insured, cash crowd. $400 each. Some dental work here is just overpriced. 

 

Like to hear also???

[spidermike007]

On 3/17/2019 at 9:43 AM, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Like to hear also???

You mean you would like my dentist contact info? Happy to provide. Just PM me.