Another robert twist and divide graduate?

There seems to be a gang of contributors who are currently focused on trying to convince us all that the paymaster, his ilk, his family have done no wrong and are no longer involved in any way and should no longer be mentioned.

Is comment about taksins name being mentioned 4 or 6 or whatever really that relevant? No, this is a beat up, an attempt at diversion and nothing more.

At the same time these contributors are trying to make everybody believe the current problems are all totally linked to the weaknesses of the current government.

Well IMHO the current government does have plenty of weaknesses, they are taking too long, losing some focus, making errors of judgment etc., after all they are soldiers with a soldiers approach rather then slick politicians. On the other hand there is an argument, IMHO, that if a previous government had been ethical we wouldn't need to have a reset button / a soldiers approach.

However IMHO there is no doubt that many previous governments have been less than effective, less then sincere, less than focused, allowed corruption to increase, etc.

I return to my first paragraph and the current situation, anybody who seriously thinks the paymaster, his ilk are no longer involved has their head in the sand / deliberately has their head in the sand.

"There seems to be a gang of contributors who are currently focused on trying to convince us all that the paymaster, his ilk, his family have done no wrong and are no longer involved in any way and should no longer be mentioned."

Please provide quotes from contributors who are "trying to convince us all that the paymaster, his ilk, his family have done no wrong and are no longer involved in any way and should no longer be mentioned".

"Is comment about taksins name being mentioned 4 or 6 or whatever really that relevant?"

Yes it is, because that's the only "argument" you junta supporters have to fall back on when another misstep by the junta is revealed, and that oh so lame diversionary tactic is seriously out of date.

"At the same time these contributors are trying to make everybody believe the current problems are all totally linked to the weaknesses of the current government."

Again, quotes?

"Well IMHO the current government does have plenty of weaknesses...."

Then we agree on something. But do you know what their greatest weakness is? It's that they are unelected, and therefor illegitimate.

"...after all they are soldiers..."

That's debatable.

"On the other hand there is an argument, IMHO, that if a previous government had been ethical we wouldn't need to have a reset button / a soldiers approach."

You imply that there has been a reset. Pray tell, what reset has been done (apart from suspending voting rights, freedom of expression and assembly etc.)?

"However IMHO there is no doubt that many previous governments have been less than effective, less then sincere, less than focused, allowed corruption to increase, etc."

Indeed, and every coup has solved exactly nothing. So what is it about the current junta that makes you think anything will be different this time?

Not Shinawatra lovers but DEMOCRACY lovers.

Those, such as yourself, who support the current regime in all its infamy are not as you would like to believe crusaders against Shinawatra lead demagoguery and corruption.

You people are plain and simply ANTI-DEMOCRACY stooges.

Bigoted, authoritarian, racist, fascist, jealous, bitter and insecure souls who, I suppose through shame and self loathing, attempt to hide their inner selves from the world by cloaking their hatred and selfishness behind the false, propagandised fig leaf of Shinawatra evilness.

Don't be scared to be your true self. If you hate DEMOCRACY, if you hate EQUALITY, if you hate THE RULE OF LAW.... come out and say it. Don't give us the all too often repeated bull-dust that the Shinawatra's are the font of all Thailand's ills and the Junta are here to set the country on the "right and good path".

The Junta represents anti-democracy, the Junta represents inequality and the Junta most definitely represents a two tiered legal system.

None of these things are good and no good people would ever support them.

Can you morally and ethically justify your Junta support without mentioning the Shinawatra's?

Me thinks not!

If you really are "Smarter than You" as your avatar claims, can you point out where I am supporting the junta.

Is it true that Surapong actually was a minister in Yingluck's government?

Is Surapong really a cousin of Thaksin? Of course he is.

As for your rant what has that got to do with my post?

You have no idea who I am or what I believe but you blather away as though you are the only person on TVF who has a right to an opinion and if anybody dares to impugn or malign your hero, you immediately cast them as non democracy lovers and to quote your post,

"Bigoted, authoritarian, racist, fascist, jealous, bitter and insecure souls who, I suppose through shame and self loathing, attempt to hide their inner selves from the world by cloaking their hatred and selfishness behind the false, propagandised fig leaf of Shinawatra evilness."

So in your eyes Thaksin has never broken any law, committed any crime of any sort and has only the welfare of the Thai people at heart? This despite the fact that he is a convicted felon and a fugitive with 15 more charges waiting for his appearance in Thailand.

If he is so pure in heart why doesn't he return and throw himself on the mercy of the courts? After all it was under the PPP government of Samak that the charges were brought and under the PPP government of Somchai Wongsawat (Thaksin's brother in law) that he was convicted. BTW Thaksin owned the TRT, PPP and PTP political parties and even with Yingluck as PM and trying to ram an amnesty through he still is to cowardly to return.

billd766, the gift that keeps on giving.

1. Your 10,602+ posts reveal who you are and what you believe.

2. In the above brief post, by my count, you mention Thaksin 4 times by name and a further 6 times by pronoun plus Yingluck twice by name to bring the count up to an even dozen. Gosh darn those evil Shinawatra's, lets have a coup.

3. In my eyes I doubt there is a single Thai, let alone a Thai politician, General or Businessman that has not broken many laws. The question is why single Thaksin out? Corruption is rife in Thailand and the only cure is democracy. Why are you opposed to it?

4. Interesting point you raise that Thaksin was charged whilst PPP were in government. Rather than strengthening your argument it actually goes to show how even when those evil Shinawatra's are the duly elected government of the nation the military - elite network still control much of the permanent establishment (military, courts, NACC, EC etc..) and use them to do their bidding.

Stop hiding behind the ridiculous claims that the Yellow-Junta alliance are all about saving Thailand from super villian Thaksin Shinawatra. They are up to no good purely to pursue their own interests, as may I add are you.

How odd that in your rant and diatribe you don't seem to be able to answer the 2 simple yes or no questions.

Did you really read all of my 10,602+ plus posts? You must have a boring life to do that.

quote from your post above.

"Stop hiding behind the ridiculous claims that the Yellow-Junta alliance are all about saving Thailand from super villain Thaksin Shinawatra. They are up to no good purely to pursue their own interests, as may I add are you."

Please point out in my post where I have claimed that the Yellow/Junta alliance are all about saving Thailand from the super villain Thaksin Shinawatra.

In the meantime have a nice day poking through the rest of my posts won't you.

Too many long holidays.

Well 2nd of May was extra, but what other holidays is Surapong referring to? Songkhran? NewYear? Does he want to suggest we 'fix' these holidays to weekends only?

"There seems to be a gang of contributors who are currently focused on trying to convince us all that the paymaster, his ilk, his family have done no wrong and are no longer involved in any way and should no longer be mentioned."

Please provide quotes from contributors who are "trying to convince us all that the paymaster, his ilk, his family have done no wrong and are no longer involved in any way and should no longer be mentioned".

No need whatever to provide links / quotes etc.

Come on you can do better than this.

so he has never realized that these holidays were being taken while yl was pm, how pathetic can this moron get, this man really needs an education so he can at least make a sensible argument

Knew it wouldn't take long for the "But but the Shins" brigade to pipe up.

"Good morning camp-followers".

Did you expect anything else when the person complaining was a minister in Yingluck Shinawatra's government, and a cousin of the mighty Thaksin himself?

Welcome to all the Shinawatra lovers on such a nice day.

Not Shinawatra lovers but DEMOCRACY lovers.

Those, such as yourself, who support the current regime in all its infamy are not as you would like to believe crusaders against Shinawatra lead demagoguery and corruption.

You people are plain and simply ANTI-DEMOCRACY stooges.

Bigoted, authoritarian, racist, fascist, jealous, bitter and insecure souls who, I suppose through shame and self loathing, attempt to hide their inner selves from the world by cloaking their hatred and selfishness behind the false, propagandised fig leaf of Shinawatra evilness.

Don't be scared to be your true self. If you hate DEMOCRACY, if you hate EQUALITY, if you hate THE RULE OF LAW.... come out and say it. Don't give us the all too often repeated bull-dust that the Shinawatra's are the font of all Thailand's ills and the Junta are here to set the country on the "right and good path".

The Junta represents anti-democracy, the Junta represents inequality and the Junta most definitely represents a two tiered legal system.

None of these things are good and no good people would ever support them.

Can you morally and ethically justify your Junta support without mentioning the Shinawatra's?

Me thinks not!

"Not Shinawatra lovers but DEMOCRACY lovers."

No comment needed.

The country is ruled by a junta that seized power through a military coup and regularly takes people away for "attitude adjustment", and this clown is whinging that they are giving the people too many holidays? You couldn't make this stuff up. What next? The comfy chair?

Here is my private opinion on holidays: gimme more!

From a business- standpoint: it is a bit much!

First of all: do away with all the holidays that are exclusively for government- workers, bank- employees etc?

Why should they have more holidays, than the rest of us?

Secondly: maybe it would be a good start, to cut all those "replacement"- holidays!

If a public- holiday falls on a Sunday...so be it! Bad luck!

(But we all know, where the problem is in this, don't we?!)