FIPROCIDE - Dog tick treatment?

[PETERTHEEATER]

My wife came home today with a pack of phials labelled FIPROCIDE and all other text in Thai script. Announced that she had got it from a pet shop for treating our two 4 month old dogs (siblings one male one female) against ticks.

We do have a tick problem with them and daily have to inspect and remove the damn things. Fortunately both dogs are off-white one short haired the other medium coat.

The FIPROCIDE, according to the shop sales, has to be applied to the back of the dogs neck skin.

I have Googled this and end up with hits (mostly in Thai) for FIPROCID. The auto-translation provides unreliable information.

I suspect this FIPROCIDE is Thai produced as an alternative to Frontline or similar.

We have one cat who the dogs lick all over every day. My concern is that this FIPROCIDE may be harmful to felines.

I know about ticks, habitats etc and have a programme of spraying areas where the dogs sleep and roam (big garden short grass but shrubby) .

If there is any doubt about this chemical I shall dispose of it and haul the dogs to a local vet for injections and try and break the tick cycle.

Can anyone tell me if this stuff is safe to use, how it should be applied, what does and if it is effective and harmless to felines.

[TobiasML]

It seems that Fibrocide contains Fipronil. As soon as the area you put it on is dry, it is harmless. You need to be careful though, that you apply it directly to the skin and not the hair.

More info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fipronil

[PETERTHEEATER]

Thanks for the pointer Tobias,

I have treated the dogs this morning after reassurances from Thai neighbours and insistence of wife. One cc seems to be the starting 'dose' and I thought that the phials were 2cc volume from their size but scraping the enveloping label off can see they contain only 1 cc!

[jingjoke]

Put yourself in your pet's place: Be very very cautious of what 'medicines' you use to treat your pets. You were thankfully.

[dick dasterdly]

Sorry to be negative, but there is no 'solution' to ticks in my experience .

The 'back of the neck' pesticides work for a while, but are then largely ineffective. Frontline spray works brilliantly, but only on those sprayed - and the dogs will pick up more as they're wandering about, and then bring them in the house.

Its a never ending cycle - monthly 'back of neck' product (which kills the ticks in the immediate area) but a few are unaffected and continue the cycle in both the house and garden.

The best I've achieved is keeping on top of the problem - i.e. the ticks aren't rampant in the house, and picking ticks off dogs (many dead, but some alive) every day....

[meatboy]

Sorry to be negative, but there is no 'solution' to ticks in my experience .

The 'back of the neck' pesticides work for a while, but are then largely ineffective. Frontline spray works brilliantly, but only on those sprayed - and the dogs will pick up more as they're wandering about, and then bring them in the house.

Its a never ending cycle - monthly 'back of neck' product (which kills the ticks in the immediate area) but a few are unaffected and continue the cycle in both the house and garden.

The best I've achieved is keeping on top of the problem - i.e. the ticks aren't rampant in the house, and picking ticks off dogs (many dead, but some alive) every day....

yes DD you can only keep on top of them,havnt had one for over 2months,but last night the first rains saw ours pick one up when i took him out for a no.1-2.

big female inbetween his toes.what i have found is,the back of the neck pesticide works well on the very small black ones.

but those brown dog ones are a "deleted" to get rid of,usually stuck to the female.

so this morning it was spray all around the bedroom skirting boards and all the bedding with chaingard.

[dick dasterdly]

Sorry to be negative, but there is no 'solution' to ticks in my experience .

The 'back of the neck' pesticides work for a while, but are then largely ineffective. Frontline spray works brilliantly, but only on those sprayed - and the dogs will pick up more as they're wandering about, and then bring them in the house.

Its a never ending cycle - monthly 'back of neck' product (which kills the ticks in the immediate area) but a few are unaffected and continue the cycle in both the house and garden.

The best I've achieved is keeping on top of the problem - i.e. the ticks aren't rampant in the house, and picking ticks off dogs (many dead, but some alive) every day....

yes DD you can only keep on top of them,havnt had one for over 2months,but last night the first rains saw ours pick one up when i took him out for a no.1-2.

big female inbetween his toes.what i have found is,the back of the neck pesticide works well on the very small black ones.

but those brown dog ones are a "deleted" to get rid of,usually stuck to the female.

so this morning it was spray all around the bedroom skirting boards and all the bedding with chaingard.

Good point that I hadn't previously realised about black dogs! I have one black dog that has FAR less ticks than the others .

Unfortunately, tick season has arrived again at my house.... so in a couple of months I'll have to get them all tested again for blood parasites .

[giddyup]

Sorry to be negative, but there is no 'solution' to ticks in my experience .

The 'back of the neck' pesticides work for a while, but are then largely ineffective. Frontline spray works brilliantly, but only on those sprayed - and the dogs will pick up more as they're wandering about, and then bring them in the house.

Its a never ending cycle - monthly 'back of neck' product (which kills the ticks in the immediate area) but a few are unaffected and continue the cycle in both the house and garden.

The best I've achieved is keeping on top of the problem - i.e. the ticks aren't rampant in the house, and picking ticks off dogs (many dead, but some alive) every day....

yes DD you can only keep on top of them,havnt had one for over 2months,but last night the first rains saw ours pick one up when i took him out for a no.1-2.

big female inbetween his toes.what i have found is,the back of the neck pesticide works well on the very small black ones.

but those brown dog ones are a "deleted" to get rid of,usually stuck to the female.

so this morning it was spray all around the bedroom skirting boards and all the bedding with chaingard.

We just found about 10 ticks in the corners of the bedroom near the ceiling, but after spraying with Chainguard they still stick in the corners, they don't let go, so I'm not sure if Chainguard kills them or not. The tick season has definitely returned with a vengeance though.

Oops! My mistake, the spray is called Chaindrite, not Chainguard. Is that the same thing?

Edited May 18, 2016 by giddyup

[meatboy]

Sorry to be negative, but there is no 'solution' to ticks in my experience .

The 'back of the neck' pesticides work for a while, but are then largely ineffective. Frontline spray works brilliantly, but only on those sprayed - and the dogs will pick up more as they're wandering about, and then bring them in the house.

Its a never ending cycle - monthly 'back of neck' product (which kills the ticks in the immediate area) but a few are unaffected and continue the cycle in both the house and garden.

The best I've achieved is keeping on top of the problem - i.e. the ticks aren't rampant in the house, and picking ticks off dogs (many dead, but some alive) every day....

yes DD you can only keep on top of them,havnt had one for over 2months,but last night the first rains saw ours pick one up when i took him out for a no.1-2.

big female inbetween his toes.what i have found is,the back of the neck pesticide works well on the very small black ones.

but those brown dog ones are a "deleted" to get rid of,usually stuck to the female.

so this morning it was spray all around the bedroom skirting boards and all the bedding with chaingard.

We just found about 10 ticks in the corners of the bedroom near the ceiling, but after spraying with Chainguard they still stick in the corners, they don't let go, so I'm not sure if Chainguard kills them or not. The tick season has definitely returned with a vengeance though.

Oops! My mistake, the spray is called Chaindrite, not Chainguard. Is that the same thing?

chaingard is a bedding spray we use,also you can spray their skin,it doesnt kill the females or the brown dog ticks just deters them.as he spends most of the night on our bed so after spraying with chaingard [69bht.200ml] those small black ones just drop off him.contains permethrin 1%.

[giddyup]

Sorry to be negative, but there is no 'solution' to ticks in my experience .

The 'back of the neck' pesticides work for a while, but are then largely ineffective. Frontline spray works brilliantly, but only on those sprayed - and the dogs will pick up more as they're wandering about, and then bring them in the house.

Its a never ending cycle - monthly 'back of neck' product (which kills the ticks in the immediate area) but a few are unaffected and continue the cycle in both the house and garden.

The best I've achieved is keeping on top of the problem - i.e. the ticks aren't rampant in the house, and picking ticks off dogs (many dead, but some alive) every day....

yes DD you can only keep on top of them,havnt had one for over 2months,but last night the first rains saw ours pick one up when i took him out for a no.1-2.

big female inbetween his toes.what i have found is,the back of the neck pesticide works well on the very small black ones.

but those brown dog ones are a "deleted" to get rid of,usually stuck to the female.

so this morning it was spray all around the bedroom skirting boards and all the bedding with chaingard.

We just found about 10 ticks in the corners of the bedroom near the ceiling, but after spraying with Chainguard they still stick in the corners, they don't let go, so I'm not sure if Chainguard kills them or not. The tick season has definitely returned with a vengeance though.

Oops! My mistake, the spray is called Chaindrite, not Chainguard. Is that the same thing?

chaingard is a bedding spray we use,also you can spray their skin,it doesnt kill the females or the brown dog ticks just deters them.as he spends most of the night on our bed so after spraying with chaingard [69bht.200ml] those small black ones just drop off him.contains permethrin 1%.

Is Chaingard available at Lotus, Big C etc? Funny, a quick Google search shows no product by that name.

Edited May 19, 2016 by giddyup

[Keesters]

Best solution to ticks I've found is Ivermectin. I buy it locally, Pattaya. Available in injectable (Ivermec) and tablet (En-Dex) form.

Not sure if this is OK to use on 4 month pups though. Instructions/dosage all in Thai but shop translated for me and recommended double first dose. Monthly dosing required.

Works fine on my Labrador that has now been tick free these last 5-6 years.

Wish I'd known about it for my previous dog who died from a tick infection. 16,000 baht vet bill. She had been Frontlined monthly by same vet but it couldn't have worked.

[giddyup]

Best solution to ticks I've found is Ivermectin. I buy it locally, Pattaya. Available in injectable (Ivermec) and tablet (En-Dex) form.

Not sure if this is OK to use on 4 month pups though. Instructions/dosage all in Thai but shop translated for me and recommended double first dose. Monthly dosing required.

Works fine on my Labrador that has now been tick free these last 5-6 years.

Wish I'd known about it for my previous dog who died from a tick infection. 16,000 baht vet bill. She had been Frontlined monthly by same vet but it couldn't have worked.

Ivermectin can have some serious side effects as well, especially for certain breeds.

[Keesters]

Best solution to ticks I've found is Ivermectin. I buy it locally, Pattaya. Available in injectable (Ivermec) and tablet (En-Dex) form.

Not sure if this is OK to use on 4 month pups though. Instructions/dosage all in Thai but shop translated for me and recommended double first dose. Monthly dosing required.

Works fine on my Labrador that has now been tick free these last 5-6 years.

Wish I'd known about it for my previous dog who died from a tick infection. 16,000 baht vet bill. She had been Frontlined monthly by same vet but it couldn't have worked.

Ivermectin can have some serious side effects as well, especially for certain breeds.

No side effects with my dog or any of the other dogs I treat. Pattaya City vet recommends it, breeder recommends it, friends vets recommend it. Wouldn't use it on herding breeds (Alsatian, Collie etc) though.

Found nothing else that works as well and it also seems to work against other parasites, worms, mange, etc.

[giddyup]

Still waiting to hear from Meatboy as to where I can buy Chaingard. Had a look in Lotus yesterday, plenty of insect sprays by a brand called Chaindrite, but no Chaingard.