Koh Tao Convicts 'Still Hopeful' as Appeal Looms

[greenchair]

Khun Han and rockin Robin, the site is blind justice thailand.

[DM07]

Khun Han and rockin Robin, the site is blind justice thailand.

...which is an excellent name, for describing this case and the overall system, where people can not/ won't see certain evidence...like...let's say HOURS of CCTV-footage, blond hairs, clothes, stab-wounds (obviously NOT inflicted by garden-hoes), phone call- records...and so on and so forth....

[greenchair]

Lol. They did see hours of cctv footage. Mm, wp, and zl were in all of it. From the beginning of the evening at 1am through to the end of the evening at 6am.

They were all over the cctv footage right next to the crime scene that had no footage behind the rocks.

[rockingrobin]

Khun Han and rockin Robin, the site is blind justice thailand.

Greenchair

I am not infuenced by facebook groups or forums,

The issue of WP being on the beach alone in the early hours is irrelevant , and immaterial to the murders.

If you still believe ZL is not guilty then the only reasonable conclusion would be WP conviction is unsound.

[bannork]

Whatever happened to the Dna the defense team claimed was there significant new evidence on Hannah's body in the UK ?

Mr Nakhon said he was unable to provide further details at this time. He did confirm that the evidence was not provided by any British police force or the Foreign and Commonwealth Office. It is believed the information comes from examinations of the bodies of the victims in the UK and is related to DNA found on Ms Witheridges body.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/11725454/Thai-police-officer-describes-finding-bodies-of-British-backpackers-during-murder-trial.html

very significant ? thats if it even existed we never heard any mention of it again did we ?

That's right, for months they protested independent dna testing.

If the UK did not get dna off that girl, pigs would fly too.

The UK has never publicly said they did or did not get any dna from hannah.

Andy makes his posts that he's off to England and perhaps some European countries too .on arrival in UK he posts he's off to see the coroner with a big smile. Everyone thought this would be the day we would all find out the dna doesn't Match.

BUT NO. The defense did a quick back peddle on why they could not retest anything. Their whole stance changed in regard to dna.

And the mantra changed from ,

"They are innocent " to

"Innocent or guilty is not the issue" the investigation was sloppy and the b2 human rights were violated.

Did Andy Hall really go to London at that time? Foreign DNA in Hannah's body is obviously crucial to the case, if the UK found foreign DNA in Hannah would they disclose the details to the Thai police knowing the case carries the death penalty? Is that the reason for their reticence or did they in fact discover none?.

[rockingrobin]

Lol. They did see hours of cctv footage. Mm, wp, and zl were in all of it. From the beginning of the evening at 1am through to the end of the evening at 6am.

They were all over the cctv footage right next to the crime scene that had no footage behind the rocks.

Can you be a bit more specific about which cctv footage ,

[DM07]

Are they also on the "hours" of reviewed CCTV-footage of the pier, where boats may have left in the early hours of....oh...right...the RTP decided, that footage wasn't relevant!

My sincere apologeze!

Not!

[rockingrobin]

The phone was confirmed as David's by UKCA also confirmed by Mr Miller who got the details from David's computer

We also know the phone WP found is the same model as Davids

So what are the odds of 2 phones both in the vicinity of the crime scene that are exactly the same model ?

Who had Davids phone between his Murder and the discovery of the smashed phone that WP gave to his friend ?

How did the person who was holding Davids phone (incriminiting evidence) for 2 weeks know that WP had found a phone that night (same model phone) and that it was dumped behind his friends house smashed to pieces & marinating in a bag of water ?

No media reports after the crime mentioned a mobile phone being stolen so why would they think it was connected to the murder and destroy it ?

And why did WP lie to his friend and say he found the phone in a bar ?

Exclusive: Critical evidence used to sentence two Burmese bar workers to death last year for the brutal murder of two British backpackers in the Thai resort of Koh Tao was secretly supplied by Britain’s elite crime-fighting agency.

But sources close to the case and documents seen by BuzzFeed News have revealed that the National Crime Agency (NCA) passed on the information linking the Burmese suspects to the crime “verbally” without seeking any written assurances that it would not be used to sentence them to death

https://www.buzzfeed.com/tomwarren/how-the-nca-helped-put-two-men-on-death-row?utm_term=.fxn1VvraX#.rn29DJlon

Disco the extract from the artice is not the complete picture and does not place the quote in context.

The article also states

' BuzzFeed News has established that the agency received an urgent request from the Thai police for the serial number of Miller’s missing iPhone days after the young backpackers were found dead'

'Capital punishment is still used regularly in Thailand and human rights groups have repeatedly raised concerns that migrant workers in the country are persecuted by police. But officers at the NCA were concerned that other British holiday-makers were at risk with the killers still loose, and they feared that the quality of the crime-scene evidence would deteriorate quickly.'

Therefore before the iphone associated with the B2 is discovered or even before the arrest of the B2 the RTP are in possesion of Davids iphone IMEI

[greenchair]

Are they also on the "hours" of reviewed CCTV-footage of the pier, where boats may have left in the early hours of....oh...right...the RTP decided, that footage wasn't relevant!

My sincere apologeze!

Not!

Yes, there are and yes, it is relevant,there may well be others involved such as Sean and mm.

But this discussion is about b2. So we talk about the footage they were in. They were not in the peer footage so it is irrelevant to their case.

[rockingrobin]

Are they also on the "hours" of reviewed CCTV-footage of the pier, where boats may have left in the early hours of....oh...right...the RTP decided, that footage wasn't relevant!

My sincere apologeze!

Not!

Yes, there are and yes, it is relevant,there may well be others involved such as Sean and mm.

But this discussion is about b2. So we talk about the footage they were in. They were not in the peer footage so it is irrelevant to their case.

The peer footage was not examined , court testimony

[daveAustin]

Knowing all this, it amazes me that people still travel to LOS for holidays and still want to live there.

Hear that. People forget and move on. The whole thing is a debacle. All Thais should be embarrassed.

[DiscoDan]

Still peddling the lie that the cctv at the pier wasn't checked you really are getting desperate.

Police Colonel Ruangtong told the court police had indeed checked the CCTV images from the cameras at the port but they had not shown anything.

http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/crime/koh_tao_murder_trial_defendents_did_not_have_representation_during_interrogations_court_hears_1_4211590

(Article Written by Andy Hall favorite journalist Sarah Yuen)

I don't see why the court would need to watch cctv of a pier with no one on it for a few hours when they had over 4000 of pages of evidence to get through do you ?

We also know there was a second weapon this was reported by a german reporter at the court the only reason it did not make it on a certain persons twitter feed was most probably due to the fact it did not help the defense.

Blonde hair was a fallen hair (confirmed by truthers favorite ex barista Robert Holmes) a hair has to be pulled out to have dna, it was consumed in testing and not lost.

Its up to prosecution what they use to get a conviction if they choose not to use Hannah's clothes as evidence that's up to them, and even if dna was found on her clothes what would that prove ? they already have dna from inside the victim.

[rockingrobin]

Still peddling the lie that the cctv at the pier wasn't checked you really are getting desperate.

Police Colonel Ruangtong told the court police had indeed checked the CCTV images from the cameras at the port but they had not shown anything.

http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/crime/koh_tao_murder_trial_defendents_did_not_have_representation_during_interrogations_court_hears_1_4211590

(Article Written by Andy Hall favorite journalist Sarah Yuen)

I don't see why the court would need to watch cctv of a pier with no one on it for a few hours when they had over 4000 of pages of evidence to get through do you ?

We also know there was a second weapon this was reported by a german reporter at the court the only reason it did not make it on a certain persons twitter feed was most probably due to the fact it did not help the defense.

Blonde hair was a fallen hair (confirmed by truthers favorite ex barista Robert Holmes) a hair has to be pulled out to have dna, it was consumed in testing and not lost.

Its up to prosecution what they use to get a conviction if they choose not to use Hannah's clothes as evidence that's up to them, and even if dna was found on her clothes what would that prove ? they already have dna from inside the victim.

Disco

So what we have is trait developing where one police officer doesnt know what another one is doing

First it was the not blood stained trousers in Milers luggage

Next evidence lost or used up / not lost everything is available,/ well actually maybe some is not available

Then

Under questioning, Pol. Col. Ruangtong contradicted earlier testimony, from another senior police officer, who had said CCTV images of the port area were not checked after the bodies were found, even though any perpetrator may have had time to take the early boat to the mainland.

Police Colonel Ruangtong told the court police had indeed checked the CCTV images from the cameras at the port but they had not shown anything

The perfect case as been riddled with statements , contradictions from day one right up to the court case, is it any wonder people have suspicions

[DiscoDan]

Still peddling the lie that the cctv at the pier wasn't checked you really are getting desperate.

Police Colonel Ruangtong told the court police had indeed checked the CCTV images from the cameras at the port but they had not shown anything.

http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/crime/koh_tao_murder_trial_defendents_did_not_have_representation_during_interrogations_court_hears_1_4211590

(Article Written by Andy Hall favorite journalist Sarah Yuen)

I don't see why the court would need to watch cctv of a pier with no one on it for a few hours when they had over 4000 of pages of evidence to get through do you ?

We also know there was a second weapon this was reported by a german reporter at the court the only reason it did not make it on a certain persons twitter feed was most probably due to the fact it did not help the defense.

Blonde hair was a fallen hair (confirmed by truthers favorite ex barista Robert Holmes) a hair has to be pulled out to have dna, it was consumed in testing and not lost.

Its up to prosecution what they use to get a conviction if they choose not to use Hannah's clothes as evidence that's up to them, and even if dna was found on her clothes what would that prove ? they already have dna from inside the victim.

Disco

So what we have is trait developing where one police officer doesnt know what another one is doing

First it was the not blood stained trousers in Milers luggage

Next evidence lost or used up / not lost everything is available,/ well actually maybe some is not available

Then

Under questioning, Pol. Col. Ruangtong contradicted earlier testimony, from another senior police officer, who had said CCTV images of the port area were not checked after the bodies were found, even though any perpetrator may have had time to take the early boat to the mainland.

Police Colonel Ruangtong told the court police had indeed checked the CCTV images from the cameras at the port but they had not shown anything

The perfect case as been riddled with statements , contradictions from day one right up to the court case, is it any wonder people have suspicions

Do you think every police officer involved in the case is huddled in one big group and all moved as one big swarm ? how do you expect each police officer to know what every other police officer is doing?.

Prime example is the defense asking where all the samples are and he said lost (even though the word lost may have been mistranslated) when the right person came along to ask, she explained they had been used up in testing but they still had the replicated dna from the items.

Its a bit like going in the supermarket and going to the meat counter and asking them what time the next batch of fresh bread is coming out, go ask the baker!

[rockingrobin]

Still peddling the lie that the cctv at the pier wasn't checked you really are getting desperate.

Police Colonel Ruangtong told the court police had indeed checked the CCTV images from the cameras at the port but they had not shown anything.

http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/crime/koh_tao_murder_trial_defendents_did_not_have_representation_during_interrogations_court_hears_1_4211590

(Article Written by Andy Hall favorite journalist Sarah Yuen)

I don't see why the court would need to watch cctv of a pier with no one on it for a few hours when they had over 4000 of pages of evidence to get through do you ?

We also know there was a second weapon this was reported by a german reporter at the court the only reason it did not make it on a certain persons twitter feed was most probably due to the fact it did not help the defense.

Blonde hair was a fallen hair (confirmed by truthers favorite ex barista Robert Holmes) a hair has to be pulled out to have dna, it was consumed in testing and not lost.

Its up to prosecution what they use to get a conviction if they choose not to use Hannah's clothes as evidence that's up to them, and even if dna was found on her clothes what would that prove ? they already have dna from inside the victim.

Disco

So what we have is trait developing where one police officer doesnt know what another one is doing

First it was the not blood stained trousers in Milers luggage

Next evidence lost or used up / not lost everything is available,/ well actually maybe some is not available

Then

Under questioning, Pol. Col. Ruangtong contradicted earlier testimony, from another senior police officer, who had said CCTV images of the port area were not checked after the bodies were found, even though any perpetrator may have had time to take the early boat to the mainland.

Police Colonel Ruangtong told the court police had indeed checked the CCTV images from the cameras at the port but they had not shown anything

The perfect case as been riddled with statements , contradictions from day one right up to the court case, is it any wonder people have suspicions

Do you think every police officer involved in the case is huddled in one big group and all moved as one big swarm ? how do you expect each police officer to know what every other police officer is doing?.

Prime example is the defense asking where all the samples are and he said lost (even though the word lost may have been mistranslated) when the right person came along to ask, she explained they had been used up in testing but they still had the replicated dna from the items.

Its a bit like going in the supermarket and going to the meat counter and asking them what time the next batch of fresh bread is coming out, go ask the baker!

Its nothing like going to a supermarket, if the police officer doesnt know the answer to the question he should say so , not give an answer which he thinks is correct.

If I recall correctly the first week of the trial , one day had to be concluded earlier , because the officer did not know what evidence his department was still holding and he had to go check. He didnt come out with some spurious remark of what may be available.

The samples lost / used up was made in an interview with the BBC before the officer gave court testimony.

[DM07]

Still peddling the lie that the cctv at the pier wasn't checked you really are getting desperate.

Police Colonel Ruangtong told the court police had indeed checked the CCTV images from the cameras at the port but they had not shown anything.

http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/crime/koh_tao_murder_trial_defendents_did_not_have_representation_during_interrogations_court_hears_1_4211590

(Article Written by Andy Hall favorite journalist Sarah Yuen)

I don't see why the court would need to watch cctv of a pier with no one on it for a few hours when they had over 4000 of pages of evidence to get through do you ?

We also know there was a second weapon this was reported by a german reporter at the court the only reason it did not make it on a certain persons twitter feed was most probably due to the fact it did not help the defense.

Blonde hair was a fallen hair (confirmed by truthers favorite ex barista Robert Holmes) a hair has to be pulled out to have dna, it was consumed in testing and not lost.

Its up to prosecution what they use to get a conviction if they choose not to use Hannah's clothes as evidence that's up to them, and even if dna was found on her clothes what would that prove ? they already have dna from inside the victim.

Do you guys even read, what you post?

How is that convincing?

One guy says"We did not review the CCTV- tapes of the pier!"

Next guy says "Oh,but we did review CCTV-footage from the pier! There was nothing on it!"...and we believe the second guy....because...??

Source 1: "We found Hannah's phone!"

Source 2: "We found the phone of ONE OF THE VICTIMS! Our bad, we should have made that more clear!

Source 3: "We found David's phone!"

Source 4: "We found David's OTHER phone!"

Source 1: "We are following leads to certain suspects! One of them fled to Bangkok!"

Source 2: "We have the killers! They are Burmese and don't you dare ever mention the other guys..."

4000 pages of "evidence"?

Are you by any chance talking about the report, that was sent back 3 times, because it was not sufficient?

The "evidence" that include the more than questionable DNA- "evidence"?

"and that the UK’s National Crime Agency had identified the sim card as Mr Miller’s.

However he confirmed there was no written proof from the agency as the information had only been given verbally."

Yep...sounds legit, because that is, how you handle a case, with 2 (possibly innocent) lives on the line!

"The dude said, it totally was the SIM-card! I have no prove for that, but you must believe me for I teld you so!"

Rubbish!

[Khun Han]

"Do you think every police officer involved in the case is huddled in one big group and all moved as one big swarm ? how do you expect each police officer to know what every other police officer is doing?."

What has kept happening is: every time a large hole in the police's concocted evidence has been exposed (usually by a social media revelation or some decent cross-examination at the trial), they just send a different officer out to contradict the officer who inadvertently messed up their concocted case. Every rational person can see that it's the most basic and infantile lying, but the police don't care because that's how it works in Thailand, and the system just accepts it.

[rockingrobin]

"Do you think every police officer involved in the case is huddled in one big group and all moved as one big swarm ? how do you expect each police officer to know what every other police officer is doing?."

What has kept happening is: every time a large hole in the police's concocted evidence has been exposed (usually by a social media revelation or some decent cross-examination at the trial), they just send a different officer out to contradict the officer who inadvertently messed up their concocted case. Every rational person can see that it's the most basic and infantile lying, but the police don't care because that's how it works in Thailand, and the system just accepts it.

On a personnal note I think it is implausible the cctv was not examined, but somewhat curious why one senior officer would state that .

Is it possible that it may be to do with this report

He said both suspects were captured by CCTV cameras and the police have gathered enough evidence to implicate them in the murders

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/content/63714

[Khun Han]

Khun Han and rockin Robin, the site is blind justice thailand.

Ah, that's the facebook page set up by AleG, isn't it? Say no more ?.

[Khun Han]

Still peddling the lie that the cctv at the pier wasn't checked you really are getting desperate.

Police Colonel Ruangtong told the court police had indeed checked the CCTV images from the cameras at the port but they had not shown anything.

http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/crime/koh_tao_murder_trial_defendents_did_not_have_representation_during_interrogations_court_hears_1_4211590

(Article Written by Andy Hall favorite journalist Sarah Yuen)

I don't see why the court would need to watch cctv of a pier with no one on it for a few hours when they had over 4000 of pages of evidence to get through do you ?

We also know there was a second weapon this was reported by a german reporter at the court the only reason it did not make it on a certain persons twitter feed was most probably due to the fact it did not help the defense.

Blonde hair was a fallen hair (confirmed by truthers favorite ex barista Robert Holmes) a hair has to be pulled out to have dna, it was consumed in testing and not lost.

Its up to prosecution what they use to get a conviction if they choose not to use Hannah's clothes as evidence that's up to them, and even if dna was found on her clothes what would that prove ? they already have dna from inside the victim.

Disco

So what we have is trait developing where one police officer doesnt know what another one is doing

First it was the not blood stained trousers in Milers luggage

Next evidence lost or used up / not lost everything is available,/ well actually maybe some is not available

Then

Under questioning, Pol. Col. Ruangtong contradicted earlier testimony, from another senior police officer, who had said CCTV images of the port area were not checked after the bodies were found, even though any perpetrator may have had time to take the early boat to the mainland.

Police Colonel Ruangtong told the court police had indeed checked the CCTV images from the cameras at the port but they had not shown anything

The perfect case as been riddled with statements , contradictions from day one right up to the court case, is it any wonder people have suspicions

Do you think every police officer involved in the case is huddled in one big group and all moved as one big swarm ? how do you expect each police officer to know what every other police officer is doing?.

Prime example is the defense asking where all the samples are and he said lost (even though the word lost may have been mistranslated) when the right person came along to ask, she explained they had been used up in testing but they still had the replicated dna from the items.

Its a bit like going in the supermarket and going to the meat counter and asking them what time the next batch of fresh bread is coming out, go ask the baker!

Its nothing like going to a supermarket, if the police officer doesnt know the answer to the question he should say so , not give an answer which he thinks is correct.

If I recall correctly the first week of the trial , one day had to be concluded earlier , because the officer did not know what evidence his department was still holding and he had to go check. He didnt come out with some spurious remark of what may be available.

The samples lost / used up was made in an interview with the BBC before the officer gave court testimony.

"Used up in testing"

It has been pointed out by experts that even a small sperm sample will provide for many thousands of DNA tests.

Didn't the officer tell the court that he would have to return to Koh Tao to check what evidence they had? What's that all about? Tested in Bangkok, trial on Samui, physical evidence returned to Koh Tao! Someone important on Koh Tao need to keep an eye on it?

And dontcha just love how the myriad of holes in the case are blithely passed off as police incompetence and 'lost in translation'?

[Khun Han]

"Do you think every police officer involved in the case is huddled in one big group and all moved as one big swarm ? how do you expect each police officer to know what every other police officer is doing?."

What has kept happening is: every time a large hole in the police's concocted evidence has been exposed (usually by a social media revelation or some decent cross-examination at the trial), they just send a different officer out to contradict the officer who inadvertently messed up their concocted case. Every rational person can see that it's the most basic and infantile lying, but the police don't care because that's how it works in Thailand, and the system just accepts it.

On a personnal note I think it is implausible the cctv was not examined, but somewhat curious why one senior officer would state that .

Is it possible that it may be to do with this report

He said both suspects were captured by CCTV cameras and the police have gathered enough evidence to implicate them in the murders

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/content/63714

There's one very easy way to find out one way the other and put this one to bed: release all the CCTV from the harbour for that morning for examination. But that won't happen. It will now be unavavailable for some cock-and-bull reason: used up, no budget to release it, blah blah..... Edited May 22, 2016 by Khun Han

[Khun Han]

Whatever happened to the Dna the defense team claimed was there significant new evidence on Hannah's body in the UK ?

Mr Nakhon said he was unable to provide further details at this time. He did confirm that the evidence was not provided by any British police force or the Foreign and Commonwealth Office. It is believed the information comes from examinations of the bodies of the victims in the UK and is related to DNA found on Ms Witheridges body.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/11725454/Thai-police-officer-describes-finding-bodies-of-British-backpackers-during-murder-trial.html

very significant ? thats if it even existed we never heard any mention of it again did we ?

That's right, for months they protested independent dna testing.

If the UK did not get dna off that girl, pigs would fly too.

The UK has never publicly said they did or did not get any dna from hannah.

Andy makes his posts that he's off to England and perhaps some European countries too .on arrival in UK he posts he's off to see the coroner with a big smile. Everyone thought this would be the day we would all find out the dna doesn't Match.

BUT NO. The defense did a quick back peddle on why they could not retest anything. Their whole stance changed in regard to dna.

And the mantra changed from ,

"They are innocent " to

"Innocent or guilty is not the issue" the investigation was sloppy and the b2 human rights were violated.

Did Andy Hall really go to London at that time? Foreign DNA in Hannah's body is obviously crucial to the case, if the UK found foreign DNA in Hannah would they disclose the details to the Thai police knowing the case carries the death penalty? Is that the reason for their reticence or did they in fact discover none?.

It's like debating with goldfish. As explained many times previously, the Thai autopsy claimed that there was a bite mark on Hannah's chest with trace saliva DNA. The UK autopsy stated that there was no bite mark. There was also an issue raised of sexual assault, but not rape (there is a difference between the two in UK law, but some posters on here had difficulty comprehending it).

[greenchair]

Are they also on the "hours" of reviewed CCTV-footage of the pier, where boats may have left in the early hours of....oh...right...the RTP decided, that footage wasn't relevant!

My sincere apologeze!

Not!

Yes, there are and yes, it is relevant,there may well be others involved such as Sean and mm.

But this discussion is about b2. So we talk about the footage they were in. They were not in the peer footage so it is irrelevant to their case.

The peer footage was not examined , court testimony

Who cares. They weren't in it.

That's why it was not considered relevant to their case.

Thats why they lost the case, because of some silly story about the village mafia and pllease don't try to take me down that road.

The prosecution must present and focus their case on the accused.

The defense must defend all evidence presented that is particular to their clients.

Not try to convict some other entity true or imagined that wasn't in the court room.

[rockingrobin]

Are they also on the "hours" of reviewed CCTV-footage of the pier, where boats may have left in the early hours of....oh...right...the RTP decided, that footage wasn't relevant!

My sincere apologeze!

Not!

Yes, there are and yes, it is relevant,there may well be others involved such as Sean and mm.

But this discussion is about b2. So we talk about the footage they were in. They were not in the peer footage so it is irrelevant to their case.

The peer footage was not examined , court testimony

Who cares. They weren't in it.

That's why it was not considered relevant to their case.

Thats why they lost the case, because of some silly story about the village mafia and pllease don't try to take me down that road.

The prosecution must present and focus their case on the accused.

The defense must defend all evidence presented that is particular to their clients.

Not try to convict some other entity true or imagined that wasn't in the court room.

Greenchair the cctv was examined

[greenchair]

As to all of above issues, it may well be that there were others involved. I believe there were. That does exonerate the b2 or prove their innocence.

Guilty as sin and double guilty for not telling the truth

[Khun Han]

Are they also on the "hours" of reviewed CCTV-footage of the pier, where boats may have left in the early hours of....oh...right...the RTP decided, that footage wasn't relevant!

My sincere apologeze!

Not!

Yes, there are and yes, it is relevant,there may well be others involved such as Sean and mm.

But this discussion is about b2. So we talk about the footage they were in. They were not in the peer footage so it is irrelevant to their case.

The peer footage was not examined , court testimony

Who cares. They weren't in it.

That's why it was not considered relevant to their case.

Thats why they lost the case, because of some silly story about the village mafia and pllease don't try to take me down that road.

The prosecution must present and focus their case on the accused.

The defense must defend all evidence presented that is particular to their clients.

Not try to convict some other entity true or imagined that wasn't in the court room.

"Thats why they lost the case, because of some silly story about the village mafia and pllease don't try to take me down that road."

Yes, please don't make her look at the huge elephant in the room. She really, really doesn't want to know who the real murderers are.

[Khun Han]

"Guilty as sin and double guilty for not telling the truth"

The B2 are so clearly not guilty, it's almost an an extremely bad joke that they were convicted!

[stephenterry]

Blonde hair was a fallen hair (confirmed by truthers favorite ex barista Robert Holmes) a hair has to be pulled out to have dna, it was consumed in testing and not lost.

Its up to prosecution what they use to get a conviction if they choose not to use Hannah's clothes as evidence that's up to them, and even if dna was found on her clothes what would that prove ? they already have dna from inside the victim.

It's blond hair or the perp is a female. Conjecture that the hair was consumed in testing, and the refusal of a police witness to disclose what was discussed at the lab re this hair is contempt of court in a civilized country.

If DNA was found on Hannah clothes it was ignored as it didn't fit the b2. Any DNA found elsewhere on the victim is an assertion not substantiated, validated or verified as NO original samples were available. Logic is that they never existed, because had the prosecution produced them it would be a slam dunk proof.

What is critical to this case is the total absence of ANY substantiated evidence to prove they murdered the victims beyond reasonable doubt. That should have been enough to free the b2. Whether anyone considers them innocent or guilty is immaterial.

[Khun Han]

"Blonde hair was a fallen hair (confirmed by truthers favorite ex barista Robert Holmes) a hair has to be pulled out to have dna, it was consumed in testing and not lost."

What were they testig it fo then, if they couldn't get DNA from it? Fingerprints ?

[Khun Han]

The phone the police found was Davids other phone and it was not an Iphone,you already know this but still try to decieve.

Only according to the police (who changed their story).