SURVEY: Should followers of Islam be allowed to work in Airport Security?

[tubby johnson]

FACT: Around the world everyday, there are hundreds of thousands if not millions of followers of Islam working in some type of security successfully protecting all religions and races of people. Id say that fact alone, answers the question posed in the OP.

And some are not: FACT. Question not answered.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-01/malaysian-immigration-officers-disabled-airport-checks/7465448

And it's not just 1 or 2 people, it's around 100, and that's just at a single airport in a moderate Moslem country.

Indeed. What happened in Malaysia is just the tip of the iceberg.

2fishin2 seems to go out of his way to exonerate the muslims, but there are still too many of them working in bad faith in security jobs and threatening the safety of millions of tolerant and peaceful non-muslims. (FACT)

Why he keeps ignoring the OP's main argument is baffling. Repeatedly screaming "troll topic" and refusing to debate this topic honestly is extremely immature.

[2fishin2]

FACT: Around the world everyday, there are hundreds of thousands if not millions of followers of Islam working in some type of security successfully protecting all religions and races of people. Id say that fact alone, answers the question posed in the OP.

And some are not: FACT. Question not answered.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-01/malaysian-immigration-officers-disabled-airport-checks/7465448

And it's not just 1 or 2 people, it's around 100, and that's just at a single airport in a moderate Moslem country.

You post a single incident while at the same time thousands of successful flights are flown all over the world everyday secured by followers of the Islam faith.

[Dumbastheycome]

The idiocy of those that subscribe to the deliberate propoganda of "islamic evil" are no different to those extremists who "use" the excuse of Islamic religious justification.

The horror of extremist acts which has polarized the world has led to the blind ignorance of the fact that retaliation by the " justified" innocent non Muslim has killed many times more totally innocent people who are not always followers of Islam.

The political manipulation of the issue has been masked to hide the objective.

Even the very apparent collaberations have been brushed aside as conjecture or corrupted anti establishment media agitations.

Never is it addressed that the very cause of the exodus of Islamic people who are deemed by propogandist discrimination and suspicion are actually the victims of political aggression rather than actual religious iddentity. Nor is it suggested that those potential extremists amongst them are also the product of the same cause. Instead trhere is a consistant affirmation that followers of Islam are inherently evil in defiance of the fact that non religious acts of horror globally account for many more deaths for reason or unreasonable motivition than Islamic beliefs outside of arenas of political conflict .

Cultism and the human rights abuses they inflict have no media or social impact currently unless there is an Islamic slant.

The concept of any conspiracies relating to the ongoing issues are also demoted and ridiculed despite the confusion demonstrated in the Syrian situation.

There is a very high level game being played and the outcome may not be satisfactry to anyone regardless of the victor with the exception of the

Referees who will change the rules to suit their outcome.

Good try, but you don't win a cigar.

[soc]

FACT: Around the world everyday, there are hundreds of thousands if not millions of followers of Islam working in some type of security successfully protecting all religions and races of people. Id say that fact alone, answers the question posed in the OP.

And some are not: FACT. Question not answered.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-01/malaysian-immigration-officers-disabled-airport-checks/7465448

And it's not just 1 or 2 people, it's around 100, and that's just at a single airport in a moderate Moslem country.

Indeed. What happened in Malaysia is just the tip of the iceberg.

2fishin2 seems to go out of his way to exonerate the muslims, but there are still too many of them working in bad faith in security jobs and threatening the safety of millions of tolerant and peaceful non-muslims. (FACT)

Why he keeps ignoring the OP's main argument is baffling. Repeatedly screaming "troll topic" and refusing to debate this topic honestly is extremely immature.

Because he/she is most likely a PCI?

[arjunadawn]

the very nature of this OP continues to warrant attention.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/02/accused-somali-war-criminal-found-working-as-dc-airport-security-guard.html?intcmp=hpbt4

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/01/us/accused-war-criminal-works-at-dulles-airport/

[2fishin2]

the very nature of this OP continues to warrant attention.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/02/accused-somali-war-criminal-found-working-as-dc-airport-security-guard.html?intcmp=hpbt4

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/01/us/accused-war-criminal-works-at-dulles-airport/

What has this got to do with the topic? I agree it was bad he was working there but, has nothing to do with the OP.

[Oxx]

the very nature of this OP continues to warrant attention.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/02/accused-somali-war-criminal-found-working-as-dc-airport-security-guard.html?intcmp=hpbt4

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/01/us/accused-war-criminal-works-at-dulles-airport/

What has this got to do with the topic? I agree it was bad he was working there but, has nothing to do with the OP.

Absolutely nothing, apart from the fact that he is a Moslem and was working in airport security.

It also demonstrates that attempting to screen out people of bad character just doesn't work. The question remains whether there should be a blanket ban on all Moslems working in airport security (in non-Moslem countries).

[Caps]

the very nature of this OP continues to warrant attention.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/02/accused-somali-war-criminal-found-working-as-dc-airport-security-guard.html?intcmp=hpbt4

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/01/us/accused-war-criminal-works-at-dulles-airport/

What has this got to do with the topic? I agree it was bad he was working there but, has nothing to do with the OP.

Absolutely nothing, apart from the fact that he is a Moslem and was working in airport security.

It also demonstrates that attempting to screen out people of bad character just doesn't work. The question remains whether there should be a blanket ban on all Moslems working in airport security (in non-Moslem countries).

Yes

[tubby johnson]

the very nature of this OP continues to warrant attention.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/02/accused-somali-war-criminal-found-working-as-dc-airport-security-guard.html?intcmp=hpbt4

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/01/us/accused-war-criminal-works-at-dulles-airport/

What has this got to do with the topic? I agree it was bad he was working there but, has nothing to do with the OP.

You're still deeply confused, aren't you?

Let me explain it in simple language a five-year-old would understand:

Muslim? Check

Violent? Check

War criminal? Check

Works at airport security? Check

Unfit for his job? Check

Please re-read and try to understand the OP's question before posting your fantasies here.

Checkmate

[Galactus]

first of all, there is something called 'Taqiya' in extremist islam which is some kind of camouflage.

so a Muslim jihadist can lie about everything, can eat pork or can say 'i am a Christian from middle east' to cover his hidden actions or agenda by wearing a crucifix around his neck.

Taqiya (تقیة taqiyyah/taqīyah, literally "fear, caution") is a form of Islamic dissimulation or a legal dispensation whereby a believing individual can deny their faith or commit otherwise illegal or blasphemous acts while they are in fear or at risk of significant persecution. (or for further growth of Islam or for commit actions about it or to cover themselves to commit a horrible action.)

so, basically, if a jihadist wants to work at an airport to commit horrible actions, he will be lying about everything to get this job even though it is against his religion and you have very less chance to find out is he is Muslim or not.

[nontabury]

Current research on Muslim birth rates around the world contradicts your opinions, in essence you're posting nonsense.

Are you really that clueless?

How about:

"As of 2011, it is predicted that the world's Muslim population will grow twice as fast as non-Muslims over the next 20 years."

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_population_growth

"Muslims will grow more than twice as fast as the overall world population between 2010 and 2050"

Source: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/04/23/why-muslims-are-the-worlds-fastest-growing-religious-group/

Or how about "Births per woman" from http://www.prb.org/Publications/Articles/2013/demographics-muslims.aspx

Indonesia: 2.3

Pakistan: 3.6

Nigeria: 5.6

Egypt: 2.9

Or how about in the UK, where Moslems have immigrated and still maintain their abundant fecundity?

"the 2005-10 fertility rate among UK Muslims at 3.0, which means that the average British Muslim had exactly three children in her lifetime, compared to 1.8 children for non-Muslim women."

Source: http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-will-britain-have-a-muslim-majority-by-2050/13690

So, what is this "Current research on Muslim birth rates around the world" that allegedly "contradicts [my] opinions facts"? And where's the "nonsense"?

Firstly perhaps you can clarify the relevance of your posts to the OP, other than using the topic to generally utilise the topic to post extremely bigoted content. However, so long as the Mods permit....

Research has identified as education becomes more generally available and the economy improves, Muslim birth rates dramatically reduce. Accordingly try reviewing your entire prior post to which I responded. A reasonable expectation is you should conclude you posted utterly bigoted and completely nonsensical comments e.g. "in their new areas they will continue to breed relentlessly and outstrip the new area's resources, and so will need to move on and the cycle repeats itself".

So far as Western countries are concerned, as an example, Pew Research estimates that Muslims will represent approx 10% of the European population by 2050. Last years asylum seeker influx increased the EU population by around 0.2%

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/02/muslim-population-growth-christians-religion-pew

I don't know where those figures come from. As for the UK, it has been estimated that Muslims will represent 50% of the total UK population by 2050, due to the Muslims higher birth rate and immigration.

Edited June 3, 2016 by nontabury

[stevenl]

Current research on Muslim birth rates around the world contradicts your opinions, in essence you're posting nonsense.

Are you really that clueless?

How about:

"As of 2011, it is predicted that the world's Muslim population will grow twice as fast as non-Muslims over the next 20 years."

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_population_growth

"Muslims will grow more than twice as fast as the overall world population between 2010 and 2050"

Source: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/04/23/why-muslims-are-the-worlds-fastest-growing-religious-group/

Or how about "Births per woman" from http://www.prb.org/Publications/Articles/2013/demographics-muslims.aspx

Indonesia: 2.3

Pakistan: 3.6

Nigeria: 5.6

Egypt: 2.9

Or how about in the UK, where Moslems have immigrated and still maintain their abundant fecundity?

"the 2005-10 fertility rate among UK Muslims at 3.0, which means that the average British Muslim had exactly three children in her lifetime, compared to 1.8 children for non-Muslim women."

Source: http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-will-britain-have-a-muslim-majority-by-2050/13690

So, what is this "Current research on Muslim birth rates around the world" that allegedly "contradicts [my] opinions facts"? And where's the "nonsense"?

Firstly perhaps you can clarify the relevance of your posts to the OP, other than using the topic to generally utilise the topic to post extremely bigoted content. However, so long as the Mods permit....

Research has identified as education becomes more generally available and the economy improves, Muslim birth rates dramatically reduce. Accordingly try reviewing your entire prior post to which I responded. A reasonable expectation is you should conclude you posted utterly bigoted and completely nonsensical comments e.g. "in their new areas they will continue to breed relentlessly and outstrip the new area's resources, and so will need to move on and the cycle repeats itself".

So far as Western countries are concerned, as an example, Pew Research estimates that Muslims will represent approx 10% of the European population by 2050. Last years asylum seeker influx increased the EU population by around 0.2%

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/02/muslim-population-growth-christians-religion-pew

I don't know where those figures come from. As for the UK, it has been estimated that Muslims will represent 50% of the total UK population by 2050, due to the Muslims higher birth rate and immigration.

He gives a source, you don't. So what is the source for your estimation?

[Naam]

I don't know where those figures come from. As for the UK, it has been estimated that Muslims will represent 50% of the total UK population by 2050, due to the Muslims higher birth rate and immigration.

only a wee bit of basic arithmetics is required to realise that this claim is utmost ridiculous.

but then... this is thaivisa forum

[simple1]

Current research on Muslim birth rates around the world contradicts your opinions, in essence you're posting nonsense.

Are you really that clueless?

How about:

"As of 2011, it is predicted that the world's Muslim population will grow twice as fast as non-Muslims over the next 20 years."

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_population_growth

"Muslims will grow more than twice as fast as the overall world population between 2010 and 2050"

Source: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/04/23/why-muslims-are-the-worlds-fastest-growing-religious-group/

Or how about "Births per woman" from http://www.prb.org/Publications/Articles/2013/demographics-muslims.aspx

Indonesia: 2.3

Pakistan: 3.6

Nigeria: 5.6

Egypt: 2.9

Or how about in the UK, where Moslems have immigrated and still maintain their abundant fecundity?

"the 2005-10 fertility rate among UK Muslims at 3.0, which means that the average British Muslim had exactly three children in her lifetime, compared to 1.8 children for non-Muslim women."

Source: http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-will-britain-have-a-muslim-majority-by-2050/13690

So, what is this "Current research on Muslim birth rates around the world" that allegedly "contradicts [my] opinions facts"? And where's the "nonsense"?

Firstly perhaps you can clarify the relevance of your posts to the OP, other than using the topic to generally utilise the topic to post extremely bigoted content. However, so long as the Mods permit....

Research has identified as education becomes more generally available and the economy improves, Muslim birth rates dramatically reduce. Accordingly try reviewing your entire prior post to which I responded. A reasonable expectation is you should conclude you posted utterly bigoted and completely nonsensical comments e.g. "in their new areas they will continue to breed relentlessly and outstrip the new area's resources, and so will need to move on and the cycle repeats itself".

So far as Western countries are concerned, as an example, Pew Research estimates that Muslims will represent approx 10% of the European population by 2050. Last years asylum seeker influx increased the EU population by around 0.2%

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/02/muslim-population-growth-christians-religion-pew

I don't know where those figures come from. As for the UK, it has been estimated that Muslims will represent 50% of the total UK population by 2050, due to the Muslims higher birth rate and immigration.

Have a read of FactCheck which rejects the claim.

http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-will-britain-have-a-muslim-majority-by-2050/13690

[Oxx]

Have a read of FactCheck which rejects the claim.

http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-will-britain-have-a-muslim-majority-by-2050/13690

That link states:

"while birth rates are higher among Muslim immigrant populations, so it seems inevitable that the British Muslim population will rise in the coming decades."

The article also doesn't properly address the issue of Moslem immigration.

So it may not be by 2050, but it's simply a matter of time.

[Naam]

Have a read of FactCheck which rejects the claim.

http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-will-britain-have-a-muslim-majority-by-2050/13690

That link states:

"while birth rates are higher among Muslim immigrant populations, so it seems inevitable that the British Muslim population will rise in the coming decades."

The article also doesn't properly address the issue of Moslem immigration.

So it may not be by 2050, but it's simply a matter of time.

perhaps 2379... mid june... after friday prayers... in Westminster Abbey?

[Oxx]

perhaps 2379... mid june... after friday prayers... in Westminster Abbey?

Is that date Hijri or Gregorian?

And I presume that the "Westminster Abbey" reference was supposed to be sarcastic. However, look at all the other great places of worship of Christendom that have been subverted by Moslem invaders. Not sure what I'm talking about? Start with Hagia Sophia, seized and desecrated by Moslems in 1453. But then the acquisition of Christian places of worship hasn't stopped many centuries later. Even recently "Turkey Seizes Last 6 Christian Churches in Diyarbakir as 'State Property'".

Source: http://www.christianpost.com/news/turkey-seizes-6-christian-churches-including-1700-y-o-historic-church-in-expropriation-order-162087/

(Oh, and isn't Turkey the country that's about to get freedom of movement to let its denizens flood into Europe as economic migrants? And isn't it striving for membership of the European Union?)

Islam is utterly incompatible with freedom of belief and has no respect whatsoever for other religions*.

* OK, there's something off in my specifically criticising Islam. I have no respect whatsoever for any religion and consider all religious types seriously deluded. But, to be honest, Islam does seem to be the worst of the bunch.

[Naam]

perhaps 2379... mid june... after friday prayers... in Westminster Abbey?

Is that date Hijri or Gregorian?

And I presume that the "Westminster Abbey" reference was supposed to be sarcastic. However, look at all the other great places of worship of Christendom that have been subverted by Moslem invaders. Not sure what I'm talking about? Start with Hagia Sophia, seized and desecrated by Moslems in 1453. But then the acquisition of Christian places of worship hasn't stopped many centuries later. Even recently "Turkey Seizes Last 6 Christian Churches in Diyarbakir as 'State Property'".

Source: http://www.christianpost.com/news/turkey-seizes-6-christian-churches-including-1700-y-o-historic-church-in-expropriation-order-162087/

(Oh, and isn't Turkey the country that's about to get freedom of movement to let its denizens flood into Europe as economic migrants? And isn't it striving for membership of the European Union?)

Islam is utterly incompatible with freedom of belief and has no respect whatsoever for other religions*.

* OK, there's something off in my specifically criticising Islam. I have no respect whatsoever for any religion and consider all religious types seriously deluded. But, to be honest, Islam does seem to be the worst of the bunch.

yada yada yakety-yak... Hagia Sophia, Turkey et al = off topic as the last posting referred to the timeline 50% muslims in the United Kingdom.

next!

[arjunadawn]

Regardless of the results of this OP it's pretty clear how prescient it is. Each day more news about Islamic related security threats at airports but also the conversation- this very OP. The question is uncomfortable and it's unclear how to manage the issue, but the connection is evident. http://www.wnd.com/2016/06/how-islamic-terrorists-infiltrate-u-s-airport-security/

*This is only a latest example of the questions being asked.

[Goanna]

Hua Lamphong railway station insecurity. Last week

[Scott]

Inflammatory troll post and reply removed.

[Scott]

Off-topic post removed.

[Galactus]

perhaps 2379... mid june... after friday prayers... in Westminster Abbey?

Is that date Hijri or Gregorian?

And I presume that the "Westminster Abbey" reference was supposed to be sarcastic. However, look at all the other great places of worship of Christendom that have been subverted by Moslem invaders. Not sure what I'm talking about? Start with Hagia Sophia, seized and desecrated by Moslems in 1453. But then the acquisition of Christian places of worship hasn't stopped many centuries later. Even recently "Turkey Seizes Last 6 Christian Churches in Diyarbakir as 'State Property'".

Source: http://www.christianpost.com/news/turkey-seizes-6-christian-churches-including-1700-y-o-historic-church-in-expropriation-order-162087/

(Oh, and isn't Turkey the country that's about to get freedom of movement to let its denizens flood into Europe as economic migrants? And isn't it striving for membership of the European Union?)

Islam is utterly incompatible with freedom of belief and has no respect whatsoever for other religions*.

* OK, there's something off in my specifically criticising Islam. I have no respect whatsoever for any religion and consider all religious types seriously deluded. But, to be honest, Islam does seem to be the worst of the bunch.

really?

hundreds of mosques are destroyed by christians. Lots of Jewish and muslim killed in the hands of Christian and not to mention millions killed by slavery and colonization times in the hands of Christians.

9 million women killed during dark ages of Europe by the Inquisition just bc they were accused to be witches. Basically a holocaust by church. Again millions of man is killed by Inquisition just bc they said things against Church.

millions of such examples at every religion.

all religions are bloody so please do not just accuse only one but all!

[GeorgesAbitbol]

I bet none of the "Know all" posters here still cannot answer this single question : how will they do in middle east and sout east asia, if all muslims are barred from those jobs.

I also bet none of them will care to take a company like etihad or Emirate, or...

I also bet they all live in fear everyday for those in Bangkok and in Thailand as "muslims are everywhere"

[GeorgesAbitbol]

the very nature of this OP continues to warrant attention.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/02/accused-somali-war-criminal-found-working-as-dc-airport-security-guard.html?intcmp=hpbt4

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/01/us/accused-war-criminal-works-at-dulles-airport/

What has this got to do with the topic? I agree it was bad he was working there but, has nothing to do with the OP.

You're still deeply confused, aren't you?

Let me explain it in simple language a five-year-old would understand:

Muslim? Check

Violent? Check

War criminal? Check

Works at airport security? Check

Unfit for his job? Check

Please re-read and try to understand the OP's question before posting your fantasies here.

Checkmate

You can't checkmate while playing checkers....

[Oxx]

really?

hundreds of mosques are destroyed by christians. Lots of Jewish and muslim killed in the hands of Christian and not to mention millions killed by slavery and colonization times in the hands of Christians.

all religions are bloody so please do not just accuse only one but all!

Oh, this tired argument again. There's clearly a difference: what men did in the name of Christianity was against the teachings of Jesus as recorded in the New Testament, so was clearly not an action of Christianity; what men are still doing in the name of Islam is 100% consistent with what is advocated by Mohammed in the name of Allah in the Koran and hadiths, and so equally clearly is a justified action of Islam.

[tubby johnson]

the very nature of this OP continues to warrant attention.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/02/accused-somali-war-criminal-found-working-as-dc-airport-security-guard.html?intcmp=hpbt4

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/01/us/accused-war-criminal-works-at-dulles-airport/

What has this got to do with the topic? I agree it was bad he was working there but, has nothing to do with the OP.

You're still deeply confused, aren't you?

Let me explain it in simple language a five-year-old would understand:

Muslim? Check

Violent? Check

War criminal? Check

Works at airport security? Check

Unfit for his job? Check

Please re-read and try to understand the OP's question before posting your fantasies here.

Checkmate

You can't checkmate while playing checkers....

It's cowardly to evade the debate with trite nonsense.

Please read up on the rules of chess.

[2fishin2]

Chess rules are being followed everyday in Thailand. Hundreds of "followers of Islam" which is what the post is about are performing some kind of service of security or even aircraft maintenance ie airport work in Thailand and all the other countries in the world with complete SUCCESS. In fact, every TV member has relied upon an Islamic follower in all their own bigoted travels to the country of Thailand. Grow up people.

[Oxx]

Grow up people.

Well, except for the ones who are blown out of the sky by the actions of Moslems, or those killed on the ground on 9/11 - they're never going to grow up any more.

And if this were really such a non-issue, why would the powers at Charles De Gaulle airport (Paris) have recently withdrawn the airside passes of 60 Moslems if they weren't perceived to be a potential threat?

Source: http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/french-airport-staff-sanctioned-having-copies-quran-lockers-1740188965

[Galactus]

really?

hundreds of mosques are destroyed by christians. Lots of Jewish and muslim killed in the hands of Christian and not to mention millions killed by slavery and colonization times in the hands of Christians.

all religions are bloody so please do not just accuse only one but all!

Oh, this tired argument again. There's clearly a difference: what men did in the name of Christianity was against the teachings of Jesus as recorded in the New Testament, so was clearly not an action of Christianity; what men are still doing in the name of Islam is 100% consistent with what is advocated by Mohammed in the name of Allah in the Koran and hadiths, and so equally clearly is a justified action of Islam.

all was done in the name of jesus and church those times. no need to runaway from facts. it sounds funny when one says 'these was done against the teaching of jesus'!

what jihadis follow now also against Islam too according to theologists and for majority of muslim around the world.

this thread turn into a muslim bashing one as usual but we all need to remember the bloodiness of other religions like Christianity or judaism etc while bashing islam. other religions are not different from it.

and lets say muslim people are banned working at airports. What about muslim bus drivers, bankers, stock brokers etc etc do we ban them too as they might create trouble by crashing buses or trying to make stock market or a bank crash?

or maybe they better dont work at mcdonald's as they might not put your bacon into your burger?

such paranoid sentiments go nowhere apart from creating divisions.

maybe we place all muslim people in camps by following Nazis?

Edited June 7, 2016 by Galactus