Lawyers appeal against death sentences over murder of British tourists in Thailand

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Lawyers appeal against death sentences over murder of British tourists in Thailand
BY PANARAT THEPGUMPANAT AND PAIRAT TEMPHAIROJANA

BANGKOK: -- Lawyers filed an appeal on Monday against the conviction of two Myanmar migrant workers sentenced to death in Thailand for the 2014 murder of two British backpackers on a holiday island, another twist in a case mired in controversy and dispute.

The bodies of backpackers Hannah Witheridge and David Miller were found on a beach on Koh Tao island in September 2014. Police said Witheridge, 23, had been raped and bludgeoned to death and Miller, 24, had suffered blows to his head.

A court sentenced Myanmar migrant workers Zaw Lin and Win Zaw Htun to death after convicting them of the crime on Dec. 24 last year.

Full story: http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-thailand-britain-murder-idUKKCN0YE0F0


-- Reuters 2016-05-23

[greenchair]

See. They will fight on the technicalies of the case.

The new mantra.

Maybe they are innocent.

Maybe they are guilty.

It doesn't matter ☺☺

Protocol was not followed.

Bullshit.

Guilty as sin. even their own lawyers don't shout their innocence anymore.

Would like to see the death sentence overturned. Other than that, right where they should be.

[Khun Han]

Good luck boys. Every honest person following your case knows that you're as innocent as the day is long.

[rockingrobin]

See. They will fight on the technicalies of the case.

The new mantra.

Maybe they are innocent.

Maybe they are guilty.

It doesn't matter ☺☺

Protocol was not followed.

Bullshit.

Guilty as sin. even their own lawyers don't shout their innocence anymore.

Would like to see the death sentence overturned. Other than that, right where they should be.

And your reasoning ?

[shillhater]

even their own lawyers don't shout their innocence anymore..... why the appeal then?

[DM07]

"Technicalities" include...

- confession made under torture

- no lawyer present during "questioning"

- DNA- evidence more than questionable, because (among others) chain of custody was broken, DNA- samples are used up and can not be retested...

- several questionable practices during evidence collection (messing with the clothes, trampling of "outsiders, all over the crime- scene)

- "evidence" produced out of thin air

- several possibly/ probably involved persons just left of the hook

- several leads not followed

...

...

...

the list is -literally- endless!

[StealthEnergiser]

See. They will fight on the technicalies of the case.

The new mantra.

Maybe they are innocent.

Maybe they are guilty.

It doesn't matter [emoji5][emoji5]

Protocol was not followed.

Bullshit.

Guilty as sin. even their own lawyers don't shout their innocence anymore.

Would like to see the death sentence overturned. Other than that, right where they should be.

Disgraceful comments why do you continue to embarress yourself.

[007cableguy]

I've been following this case from day one and yet to see any shred of proof that they are guilty!

The only thing they are guilty of is being on the beach!

Let's hope this corrupt charade comes to the right and honest ending!

[007cableguy]

See. They will fight on the technicalies of the case.

The new mantra.

Maybe they are innocent.

Maybe they are guilty.

It doesn't matter [emoji5][emoji5]

Protocol was not followed.

Bullshit.

Guilty as sin. even their own lawyers don't shout their innocence anymore.

Would like to see the death sentence overturned. Other than that, right where they should be.

Disgraceful comments why do you continue to embarress yourself.

He can't help himself, The phrase Village idiot comes to mind!

[yellowboat]

A amazingly flawed case, and an embarrassment to Thailand.

[DiscoDan]

Now they are coming out with a new regulation ILAC G19 maybe the now know they have not got a chance with the ISO rules desperate times.

It also said they don't know if Hannah's clothes were tested or not and why the were not entered as evidence still failing to understand its up to police what they put in there case to get a conviction.

This is what they have written about the hoe in there press release (from MWRN fb page)

Its point 3 on their list

"There was no link between the alleged murder weapon (hoe) and the accused. DNA samples from the hoe did not match the accused dna profiles but instead matched profiles of other individuals and hence could not support a conviction."

Matched other individuals yes correct those individuals being Hannah and David but there was a partial profile the matched one of the accused but it could not prove if they had handled the hoe or not.

And the prosecutor also did not enter it as evidence. so why appeal it ?

Also according to Robert Holmes the defense wrote to the prosecutor to request the documentation related to the DNA the prosecutor did not reply, Robert holmes claims that any other defense team at this time would of then requested a court order to hand over DNA evidence and the defense did not do this why ?

[namatjira]

Maybe there is no justice, but let us see if also there is no mercy

[optad]

This case in many ways defines Thai relationships.

Choose an easy target for another's crime. Farang. Take, where legally enabled what you can. From farlang.

Just sport.

[Chupup]

My thoughts at the time were that they had been fitted up ( scapegoats ) and i am still of the same opinion

[DM07]

"...still failing to understand its up to police what they put in there case to get a conviction."

So...what you are saying is...if they tested the clothes and came up with some DNA- samples, which 100% incriminate other people than the B2...and they simply choose to ignore that...you would be fine with that?

Everybody should be fine with that and ask no further questions?

Astonishing standpoint, to say the least!

[optad]

Maybe there is no justice, but let us see if also there is no mercy

That is so infantile it could just be true.

Get zero justice but a lean sentence to be thankful for!! Most thais would think that a blessing for the two myanmar fellas to wai buddha.

Still a jungle with the -------- lording the roost.

[Gweiloman]

See. They will fight on the technicalies of the case.

The new mantra.

Maybe they are innocent.

Maybe they are guilty.

It doesn't matter [emoji5][emoji5]

Protocol was not followed.

Bullshit.

Guilty as sin. even their own lawyers don't shout their innocence anymore.

Would like to see the death sentence overturned. Other than that, right where they should be.

Disgraceful comments why do you continue to embarress yourself.

He can't help himself, The phrase Village idiot comes to mind!

Maybe not Village idiot but vested interests?

[HOOD Robin]

Really sad to see these 2 scapegoats are still behind bars !

That means the big Manitou of TH who keeps the Thai people happy (?) doesnt give a sh.....

LOS is going down and down and down and down... nobody wants to visit this corrupt gate anymore

And they are surprised.... LOL

[rockingrobin]

Now they are coming out with a new regulation ILAC G19 maybe the now know they have not got a chance with the ISO rules desperate times.

It also said they don't know if Hannah's clothes were tested or not and why the were not entered as evidence still failing to understand its up to police what they put in there case to get a conviction.

This is what they have written about the hoe in there press release (from MWRN fb page)

Its point 3 on their list

"There was no link between the alleged murder weapon (hoe) and the accused. DNA samples from the hoe did not match the accused dna profiles but instead matched profiles of other individuals and hence could not support a conviction."

Matched other individuals yes correct those individuals being Hannah and David but there was a partial profile the matched one of the accused but it could not prove if they had handled the hoe or not.

And the prosecutor also did not enter it as evidence. so why appeal it ?

Also according to Robert Holmes the defense wrote to the prosecutor to request the documentation related to the DNA the prosecutor did not reply, Robert holmes claims that any other defense team at this time would of then requested a court order to hand over DNA evidence and the defense did not do this why ?

Ref ILAC G19

This document is intended to provide guidance for forensic science units involved in examination and testing in the forensic science process by providing application of ISO/IEC 17025 and ISO/IEC 17020.

http://ilac.org/news/ilac-g19082014-published/

[dunroaming]

Commuted to life is the best they can hope for. Too much face to lose otherwise. Thailand shame once again

[Trentham]

See. They will fight on the technicalies of the case.

The new mantra.

Maybe they are innocent.

Maybe they are guilty.

It doesn't matter ☺☺

Protocol was not followed.

Bullshit.

Guilty as sin. even their own lawyers don't shout their innocence anymore.

Would like to see the death sentence overturned. Other than that, right where they should be.

Judging by your attitude you are probably the guy that bought the handgun used to kill unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin

[tuanku]

See. They will fight on the technicalies of the case.

The new mantra.

Maybe they are innocent.

Maybe they are guilty.

It doesn't matter [emoji5][emoji5]

Protocol was not followed.

Bullshit.

Guilty as sin. even their own lawyers don't shout their innocence anymore.

Would like to see the death sentence overturned. Other than that, right where they should be.

Disgraceful comments why do you continue to embarress yourself.

He can't help himself, The phrase Village idiot comes to mind!

I think i can speak for village idiots everywhere when I say we do not wish to be associated with this person

[Si Thea01]

"Technicalities" include...

- confession made under torture

- no lawyer present during "questioning"

- DNA- evidence more than questionable, because (among others) chain of custody was broken, DNA- samples are used up and can not be retested...

- several questionable practices during evidence collection (messing with the clothes, trampling of "outsiders, all over the crime- scene)

- "evidence" produced out of thin air

- several possibly/ probably involved persons just left of the hook

- several leads not followed

...

...

...

the list is -literally- endless!

Have no idea if any or all of the above occurred bur regardless of what you have stated it is the death sentence they are appealing, nothing more, nothing less.

[harryhaan]

No words

www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRi8AqoXxio

Edited May 23, 2016 by harryhaan

[smedly]

See. They will fight on the technicalies of the case.

The new mantra.

Maybe they are innocent.

Maybe they are guilty.

It doesn't matter ☺☺

Protocol was not followed.

Bullshit.

Guilty as sin. even their own lawyers don't shout their innocence anymore.

Would like to see the death sentence overturned. Other than that, right where they should be.

And your reasoning ?

The reasoning is that technicalities are irrelevant - Greenchair has decided they are guilty based on absolutely nothing of any standing so they must be. Fortunately it is not up to him, in saying that - the Thai judges seem to have the same approach no matter how flawed it is.

He is right when he says "protocol was not followed" and since all the original evidence has been lost - used up - never existed - was destroyed.....take you pick, no further clarification confirmation or retest of the claimed DNA original samples can be verified so this case is not a case at all

are they guilty ? not from what I have seen so far, I would like nothing more than to see the animals that committed this crime punished but it must be with a solid case and irrefutable verifiable evidence, so far that has not been the case or even close.

[ScotBkk]

See. They will fight on the technicalies of the case.

The new mantra.

Maybe they are innocent.

Maybe they are guilty.

It doesn't matter [emoji5][emoji5]

Protocol was not followed.

Bullshit.

Guilty as sin. even their own lawyers don't shout their innocence anymore.

Would like to see the death sentence overturned. Other than that, right where they should be.

Disgraceful comments why do you continue to embarress yourself.

Greenchair!!

This is just an idiot looking for attention he really deserves the - ELECTRIC CHAIR !!!

[fab99]

See. They will fight on the technicalies of the case.

The new mantra.

Maybe they are innocent.

Maybe they are guilty.

It doesn't matter ☺☺

Protocol was not followed.

Bullshit.

Guilty as sin. even their own lawyers don't shout their innocence anymore.

Would like to see the death sentence overturned. Other than that, right where they should be.

We are way over simple technicalities in this case, the amount of unprofessionalism on the prosecution side is just staggering (I am not saying the defense did a perfect job either, but they apparently couldnt be too pushy, not the thai way of doing things...).

The examples casting doubts on this case are just countless, and doubt is all you need to prevent conviction, that is the way justice is supposed to be.

I know you are unable to do so, but just put yourself in their shoes IF they were innocent, I don't get how you could have absolutely no doubt about their culpability like you seem to...

Thanks to all the other posters who answered calmy and in quite a large number.

Greenchair, you were the first to answer, makes me wonder if you spend your day watching for news about this case and why is it so important for you to convince people.

By the way you seem to have forgotten about the fact that you said yourself that you believe the B2 aren't the only guilty people and more were involved, do you think justice has been done if this is the case ?

[DM07]

"Technicalities" include...

- confession made under torture

- no lawyer present during "questioning"

- DNA- evidence more than questionable, because (among others) chain of custody was broken, DNA- samples are used up and can not be retested...

- several questionable practices during evidence collection (messing with the clothes, trampling of "outsiders, all over the crime- scene)

- "evidence" produced out of thin air

- several possibly/ probably involved persons just left of the hook

- several leads not followed

...

...

...

the list is -literally- endless!

Have no idea if any or all of the above occurred bur regardless of what you have stated it is the death sentence they are appealing, nothing more, nothing less.

Since you admit that you have no idea and I was answering on the compiled BS of another poster: thanks for your input...and I have no idea, what you are on about!

[greenchair]

See. They will fight on the technicalies of the case.

The new mantra.

Maybe they are innocent.

Maybe they are guilty.

It doesn't matter [emoji5][emoji5]

Protocol was not followed.

Bullshit.

Guilty as sin. even their own lawyers don't shout their innocence anymore.

Would like to see the death sentence overturned. Other than that, right where they should be.

Disgraceful comments why do you continue to embarress yourself.

He can't help himself, The phrase Village idiot comes to mind!

I think i can speak for village idiots everywhere when I say we do not wish to be associated with this person

Lol ??? aw come on guys. Get with the truth.

[angiolo]

See. They will fight on the technicalies of the case.

The new mantra.

Maybe they are innocent.

Maybe they are guilty.

It doesn't matter ☺☺

Protocol was not followed.

Bullshit.

Guilty as sin. even their own lawyers don't shout their innocence anymore.

Would like to see the death sentence overturned. Other than that, right where they should be.

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Whats the matter with you ? Are you a Burmese Basher ? Of course they did not do this murder. Pretty obvious >>RIGHT.