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JSCCIB Wants More Work Permits and Visas to Boost 'S-Curve' Investment
BY VIRAJ SHAJ

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BANGKOK: -- The JSCCIB (Joint Standing Committee on Commerce, Industry and Banking) is proposing changes to Thailand’s immigration policy as a way to boost S-curve investment in the country. The committee is urging the government to consider issuing skills-based work permits and visas to foreigners to help meet foreign investment goals under the Thailand 4.0 plan.

JSCCIB’s proposal will be put before the Joint Government-Private Sector Committee, headed by Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha.

Predee Daochai, chairman of the JSCCIB meeting and the Thai Bankers’ Association, said the panel agreed that Thailand should have a clear framework for its immigration policy.

Mr. Predee asserts that in order for Thailand to reach its goals with the new “S-curve,” it will need skilled young talent as well as R&D specialists from overseas.

Full story: https://ethailand.com/business-news/jsccib-wants-work-permits-visas-boost-s-curve-investment/2832/

-- eThailand 2016-06-09

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A CLEAR Frame work, =

S- curve, of red tape= that this department does not talk to that department !

so instead of a bullet point form from top to bottom you have to run,

a convoluted series of forward , backward and retrace your steps

movements , to reach the end blue book =

a lesson on exasperating inefficiency.

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What's with this new buzz word the "S-curve". I didn't know so I thought I would look it up. And here it is, so now we all know.The answer to Thailand's future economic growth.

s-curve.jpg

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The " S " curve approach is okay until you don't pull out of the turn , you end up where you started from , Former Pm Keating of Australia had the " J " curve you just took off from the btm and shot straight to the top, and that is why the midlife crisis of 08 never effected the OZ economy , however boosting R & D , you'd need to pay more than 30 thousand Baht a month .................................................coffee1.gif

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each year it gets harder to get a work permit in thailand. last year was the worst with several visits from officials coming to my business taking photos. no idea why they needed to come at all as i had already taken many photos to put in with the applications. this was the 9th year of business but we go through the process every year like we are starting a new business. ontop of this there are the problems getting and holding the 4 thai staff. 2 of which i dont need. thank christ i have a great accounting company who coordinate the whole circus. hopefully i will sell up the business next year and that will be the end of it.

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The point of the article is correct, Thailand needs foreign expertise, we are in a global economy, which one of the reasons Thailand is in ASEAN, however, will this occur? I doubt, rather things will get worse. Foreigners are increasingly distrusted by some in high places, a situation that will only grow worse. There maybe new policies and a few minor changes, but overall, nothing.

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So long as the restricted jobs list and restrictions on foreign ownership remain, the number of foreigner skilled workers and R&D specialists coming into Thailand will not increase. The S-Curve becomes the inverted U-Curve.

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All hot air yet again. Yes, the Thais know they are generally stupid but can't really face being told what to do to bring in business by foreigners. They will therefore do nothing to change the foreign business Act to encourage more foreigners to work here. Make it easier for work permits and stop the blatant corruption from immigration staff. They will also need to pay much more money if they want foreign expertise and then actually listen to the experts (which they never will, because Thais know better). People need to feel secure in a job and decent healthcare schemes need to be provided. I am not talking about the basic social fund either. Dream on Thailand. Again, they are now getting desperate about the massive loss in foreign money coming into the country. Any Thai who is smart (not many) are also leaving for the west fro better training, lifestyle and salary.

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"skilled young talent as well as R&D specialists from overseas"

Yeah, sure, why not go to West where you earn 10x when you can start in Thailand for princely 25k baht/month? If it weren't for the totty...

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What's with this new buzz word the "S-curve". I didn't know so I thought I would look it up. And here it is, so now we all know.The answer to Thailand's future economic growth.

s-curve.jpg

What a load of B*llocks bah.gif

Well, yes. But it looks pretty and sounds good so we can tick all of the 'very important to Thais' boxes...

W

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Thailand should look at Singapore and Malaysia (and more recently Viet Nam) who have been offering attractive packages to foreign workers with talen hassle free for decades now.

In Thailand even if you meet the required skill sets it can be a ball ache to get through all the red tape, even after years with the correct documentation in place. Any streamlining in the system would be a very positive move by the authorities.

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I started a small business when I retired to Thailand.. Everything was fine and dandy for about 3 years, Then the Dept of something-or-other approached 2 of the Thai board members and told them they'd go to jail because they didn't have board meeting minutes. Then they 'invited' me to BKK to explain why 2 board members didn't have minutes and assumed they were illegal nominees.

That was a shakedown for come petty cash money, duly extracted as a 'cheaper' way of getting straight when I went to Bangkok it was only 8,000 baht which was a lot less than the company tax and payroll tax I was paying. That office had the distinction of employing the stupidest and most obnoxious young woman I've ever come across.

Then the Dept of Employment refused to renew my work permit because I had a retirement visa (perfectly OK for the previous 3 years).

This is why people don't want to invest in Thailand, but try getting any Thai to understand that basic fact of life. In my case it signaled the end of the small business, no more company tax, no more payroll tax, and 4 Thais out of a job. Oh, and apart from living expenses, I'll not be contributing another brass razoo to Thailand. Not ever. Never. With a big 'N'.

Shrewd move by the inscrutable Thais huh? Very smaht.

W

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each year it gets harder to get a work permit in thailand. last year was the worst with several visits from officials coming to my business taking photos. no idea why they needed to come at all as i had already taken many photos to put in with the applications. this was the 9th year of business but we go through the process every year like we are starting a new business. ontop of this there are the problems getting and holding the 4 thai staff. 2 of which i dont need. thank christ i have a great accounting company who coordinate the whole circus. hopefully i will sell up the business next year and that will be the end of it.

This is exactly what I see, and wish they would address. A company 8 years old, same as always, and they made us go back and forth THREE times on ONE photo of the mailbox!!! It is absurd times 10! I totally understand a new company needing to properly document everything and demonstrate legitimacy. Even the second year follow up should be thorough. But after 8 years, they should make the process more efficient. It helps everyone. I also wish they would allow applying for work permits and extensions for 2 years at a time to reduce headaches and costs - again for everyone. Happy to pay the fees, but stop wasting everyone's time and piling up unnecessary mountains of paper.

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each year it gets harder to get a work permit in thailand. last year was the worst with several visits from officials coming to my business taking photos. no idea why they needed to come at all as i had already taken many photos to put in with the applications. this was the 9th year of business but we go through the process every year like we are starting a new business. ontop of this there are the problems getting and holding the 4 thai staff. 2 of which i dont need. thank christ i have a great accounting company who coordinate the whole circus. hopefully i will sell up the business next year and that will be the end of it.

This is exactly what I see, and wish they would address. A company 8 years old, same as always, and they made us go back and forth THREE times on ONE photo of the mailbox!!! It is absurd times 10! I totally understand a new company needing to properly document everything and demonstrate legitimacy. Even the second year follow up should be thorough. But after 8 years, they should make the process more efficient. It helps everyone. I also wish they would allow applying for work permits and extensions for 2 years at a time to reduce headaches and costs - again for everyone. Happy to pay the fees, but stop wasting everyone's time and piling up unnecessary mountains of paper.

The reality of this is often not seen. Thais faer and resent foreigners for all the reasons that are cliched. In general, more money, more intelligence, better woek ethic, often the first choice of Thai women for all of the above reasons. Their objective is to stop foreigners from buying the farm. Their tools are unintelligent laws, unintelligent law-enforcement, and unintelligent harrassment.

Of course, when businessmen like you and me and lots of others say frack it, find jobs for your own people, I'm out and taking my dosh with me, well thats a kind of a victory for them.

Of sorts.

I don't even give tips any more for people who are. after all, doing the jobs some other Thais pay them to do. Frack 'em. If Thais won't pay a fair wage to other Thais, I'm buggered if I'm going to make up the shortfall. Thankfully tipping is less expected out here than it is in BKK.

W

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each year it gets harder to get a work permit in thailand. last year was the worst with several visits from officials coming to my business taking photos. no idea why they needed to come at all as i had already taken many photos to put in with the applications. this was the 9th year of business but we go through the process every year like we are starting a new business. ontop of this there are the problems getting and holding the 4 thai staff. 2 of which i dont need. thank christ i have a great accounting company who coordinate the whole circus. hopefully i will sell up the business next year and that will be the end of it.

This is exactly what I see, and wish they would address. A company 8 years old, same as always, and they made us go back and forth THREE times on ONE photo of the mailbox!!! It is absurd times 10! I totally understand a new company needing to properly document everything and demonstrate legitimacy. Even the second year follow up should be thorough. But after 8 years, they should make the process more efficient. It helps everyone. I also wish they would allow applying for work permits and extensions for 2 years at a time to reduce headaches and costs - again for everyone. Happy to pay the fees, but stop wasting everyone's time and piling up unnecessary mountains of paper.

The reality of this is often not seen. Thais faer and resent foreigners for all the reasons that are cliched. In general, more money, more intelligence, better woek ethic, often the first choice of Thai women for all of the above reasons. Their objective is to stop foreigners from buying the farm. Their tools are unintelligent laws, unintelligent law-enforcement, and unintelligent harrassment.

Of course, when businessmen like you and me and lots of others say frack it, find jobs for your own people, I'm out and taking my dosh with me, well thats a kind of a victory for them.

Of sorts.

I don't even give tips any more for people who are. after all, doing the jobs some other Thais pay them to do. Frack 'em. If Thais won't pay a fair wage to other Thais, I'm buggered if I'm going to make up the shortfall. Thankfully tipping is less expected out here than it is in BKK.

W

As you suggest, xenophobia is a part of the problem here. I also believe another part of the issue is input from well placed individuals and businesses wishing to protect a built-in competitive edge. Further, there is the desire by government employees to protect their jobs. In the US, we call every additional law adding to the complexity of the tax code as the "Accountant and Lawyer Protection Act".

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each year it gets harder to get a work permit in thailand. last year was the worst with several visits from officials coming to my business taking photos. no idea why they needed to come at all as i had already taken many photos to put in with the applications. this was the 9th year of business but we go through the process every year like we are starting a new business. ontop of this there are the problems getting and holding the 4 thai staff. 2 of which i dont need. thank christ i have a great accounting company who coordinate the whole circus. hopefully i will sell up the business next year and that will be the end of it.

This is exactly what I see, and wish they would address. A company 8 years old, same as always, and they made us go back and forth THREE times on ONE photo of the mailbox!!! It is absurd times 10! I totally understand a new company needing to properly document everything and demonstrate legitimacy. Even the second year follow up should be thorough. But after 8 years, they should make the process more efficient. It helps everyone. I also wish they would allow applying for work permits and extensions for 2 years at a time to reduce headaches and costs - again for everyone. Happy to pay the fees, but stop wasting everyone's time and piling up unnecessary mountains of paper.

Do not feel you are special they do the same stuff to Thai companies. My girl friend worked for a company that the tax department showed up to another 100,000 in taxes because we do not believe your expense reciepts

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