Israel admits mistakenly killing Palestinian bystander said to be ’15-year-old boy’

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Israel admits mistakenly killing Palestinian bystander said to be ’15-year-old boy’



JERUSALEM: -- The Israeli military says it mistakenly killed a Palestinian bystander while responding with gunfire to a petrol bomb and rocket attack in the occupied West Bank. An investigation has been launched.

The mayor of the village the Palestinian came from said he was a 15-year-old boy. An earlier military statement from Israel described the Palestinian as an assailant.

The teenager’s father said his boy was killed in cold blood while he was on a trip with his cousins.

“When we arrived on the scene of the crime the Israelis refused to allow the Palestinian ambulances to get through, the injured were left bleeding on the ground and Mahmoud died. When we tried to get closer the Israeli troops aimed at us and wanted to shoot. There were around 100 of us,” Rafat Badran said.

The head of the local council of the Palestinian village of Beit Ore-Tahta said the teenager killed was in a car with other passengers returning from another village when they came under fire.

The Israeli military says several Palestinians threw petrol bombs and stones at vehicles, injuring three civilians, on a main road between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. Media reports said two of those hurt were foreign tourists.

Troops gave chase and uninvolved bystanders were mistakenly hit during the pursuit, it added, including the Palestinian who was killed.

Over the past eight months, Palestinian attacks have killed 32 Israelis and two visiting US citizens. Israeli forces have shot dead at least 197 Palestinians, 134 of whom Israel has said were assailants. Others were killed in clashes and protests.

-- (c) Copyright Euronews 2016-06-22

[dexterm]

Yet another cold blooded extra judicial murder by the most moral army in the world.

Interesting how the IDF usual first response is a lie, calling the innocent boy a terrorist, without any evidence at all. The par for the course get out of jail pretext.

Surely when you are using live ammunition, the rules of engagement should dictate a clear life threatening target.

The IDF claimed they accidentally fired at the car.

And yet we find a barrage of fire.

"three Palestinian bystanders injured alongside Mahmoud sustained serious injuries after being shot by Israeli forces in the head and chest...

More than 10 vehicles reportedly sustained damages."

http://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=771953

"Badran [his father] said that in order to reach the village you have to take an underpass beneath Highway 443.

"As they approached the passage, a car stood on the bridge, next to a man with a gun who opened fire on the vehicle. As far as I could understand, some of the passengers jumped out of the vehicle and some remained inside, and were hit, including my son who was very seriously wounded and died a short time later."

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.726204

Sounds like gung ho indiscriminate shoot to kill at a car with Palestinian number plates.

The most callous part of all was leaving the kid to bleed to death.

"Palestinian Red Crescent Society ambulances reportedly said that Israeli soldiers prevented paramedics from reaching the wounded Palestinians for over an hour and a half."

http://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=771959

The IDF disgusts me. They were the terrorists who wantonly killed an innocent teenager.

Haven't they heard of rubber bullets and tear gas. Crimes like this only add to incitement.

[pumpuy]

Come on , the PRO Israel fraction of TV , where are you ?

You are so good finding excuses for all the killings , what's the excuse this time ?

I still remember the one that said that the killing of a pregnant palestinian girl was justified , because she might have carried a bomb instead of a baby ...

But really , what's wrong in the mind of people these days ?

[DLang]

Great to see a military put their hands up and acknowledge a mistake.

[Morch]

@dexterm

More like yet another propaganda rant.

No indication it was a "cold blooded extra judicial murder", but rather, as admitted by the IDF, a mistake. The first statement by the IDF was not a lie, as claimed, but based on what was known at the time. Obviously it was wrong, and hence, the correction. As for "surely...", surely you have no idea what the relevant ROE are, and yet spew the usual nonsense (like the irrelevance of tear gas).

The bit about 10 cars being hit sounds over the top, unless in includes the attack on the Israeli vehicles which triggered the OP. There is, as far as I can tell, no corroboration of this other than the Ma'an story. Of course, no one should doubt their accuracy or objectivity.... Same goes for the Dad's version, who seems to know exactly how it went down despite not being present at the scene.

Somehow managing to gloss over events which led to the the teen's death.

The usual one-sided over-the-top virulence is reserved for cases highlighting the agenda, while suspiciously quiet otherwise (http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/923596-two-suspects-are-detained-following-shooting-at-tel-aviv-shopping-centre/).

[dexterm]

Great to see a military put their hands up and acknowledge a mistake.

After first deliberately lying, saying he was a terrorist.

Just an innocent kid snuffed out by some trigger happy IDF psychopath. Anyone who shoots, simply because they can, to kill a person who is no threat to themselves is a psychopath.

[Morch]

Guess this ain't gonna be one of them topic where "the general response is one of resigned gloom at the never-ending spiral of attack and counter attack."

(http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/923596-two-suspects-are-detained-following-shooting-at-tel-aviv-shopping-centre/?p=10839697).

[Jingthing]

Yes, it was a mistake and admitted as such.

Mistakes in a decades long conflict zone are part of the territory on both sides.

The propaganda milking of mistakes is also part of the landscape.

So I guess now is a time for a dump on Israel party for people that enjoy that kind of thing.

[dexterm]

@dexterm

More like yet another propaganda rant.

No indication it was a "cold blooded extra judicial murder", but rather, as admitted by the IDF, a mistake. The first statement by the IDF was not a lie, as claimed, but based on what was known at the time. Obviously it was wrong, and hence, the correction. As for "surely...", surely you have no idea what the relevant ROE are, and yet spew the usual nonsense (like the irrelevance of tear gas).

The bit about 10 cars being hit sounds over the top, unless in includes the attack on the Israeli vehicles which triggered the OP. There is, as far as I can tell, no corroboration of this other than the Ma'an story. Of course, no one should doubt their accuracy or objectivity.... Same goes for the Dad's version, who seems to know exactly how it went down despite not being present at the scene.

Somehow managing to gloss over events which led to the the teen's death.

The usual one-sided over-the-top virulence is reserved for cases highlighting the agenda, while suspiciously quiet otherwise (http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/923596-two-suspects-are-detained-following-shooting-at-tel-aviv-shopping-centre/).

So what are the IDF rules of engagement?...If it moves, shoot it!

And do tell us "what was known at the time". You state that it was not a lie. Was the kid pointing a gun at the psychopathic IDF?

The events that led to the teens death were illegal Zionist colonists on a for Israelis only motorway built on stolen occupied Palestinian land, protected by trigger happy IDF.

If Israel were not illegally occupying the West Bank, this would not have happened.

No need for the ad hominem baiting either.

[Morch]

Great to see a military put their hands up and acknowledge a mistake.

After first deliberately lying, saying he was a terrorist.

Just an innocent kid snuffed out by some trigger happy IDF psychopath. Anyone who shoots, simply because they can, to kill a person who is no threat to themselves is a psychopath.

The only thing deliberate about this is your own deliberate distortion that there was a deliberate lie.

Drawing on your apparent acumen at mental diagnosis of people you haven't met - would those throwing rocks and petrol bombs at vehicles be considered "psychopaths" as well?

[dexterm]

Yes, it was a mistake and admitted as such.

Mistakes in a decades long conflict zone are part of the territory on both sides.

The propaganda milking of mistakes is also part of the landscape.

So I guess now is a time for a dump on Israel party for people that enjoy that kind of thing.

No-one has yet explained how you can mistakenly pump bullets into a car without having received any fire from the car.

The only mistake was getting caught telling lies.

[dexterm]

Great to see a military put their hands up and acknowledge a mistake.

After first deliberately lying, saying he was a terrorist.

Just an innocent kid snuffed out by some trigger happy IDF psychopath. Anyone who shoots, simply because they can, to kill a person who is no threat to themselves is a psychopath.

The only thing deliberate about this is your own deliberate distortion that there was a deliberate lie.

Drawing on your apparent acumen at mental diagnosis of people you haven't met - would those throwing rocks and petrol bombs at vehicles be considered "psychopaths" as well?

No they would not. I would call them freedom fighters resisting an illegal occupation of their own land.

No distortion. If you pump bullets into a car full of teenagers what evidence did the psychopaths have that they were, as falsely claimed, terrorists endangering his life. Please explain how the initial IDF claim was not a lie. You appear to know the facts.

It is the usual excuse used constantly by the IDF, as in other recent extra judicial killings.

No explanation I note for the hour and half delay in allowing paramedics to treat the injured allowing one to bleed to death. More IDF callous psychopathy.

There is no defense for the indefensible.

[Morch]

@dexterm

More like yet another propaganda rant.

No indication it was a "cold blooded extra judicial murder", but rather, as admitted by the IDF, a mistake. The first statement by the IDF was not a lie, as claimed, but based on what was known at the time. Obviously it was wrong, and hence, the correction. As for "surely...", surely you have no idea what the relevant ROE are, and yet spew the usual nonsense (like the irrelevance of tear gas).

The bit about 10 cars being hit sounds over the top, unless in includes the attack on the Israeli vehicles which triggered the OP. There is, as far as I can tell, no corroboration of this other than the Ma'an story. Of course, no one should doubt their accuracy or objectivity.... Same goes for the Dad's version, who seems to know exactly how it went down despite not being present at the scene.

Somehow managing to gloss over events which led to the the teen's death.

The usual one-sided over-the-top virulence is reserved for cases highlighting the agenda, while suspiciously quiet otherwise (http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/923596-two-suspects-are-detained-following-shooting-at-tel-aviv-shopping-centre/).

So what are the IDF rules of engagement?...If it moves, shoot it!

And do tell us "what was known at the time". You state that it was not a lie. Was the kid pointing a gun at the psychopathic IDF?

The events that led to the teens death were illegal Zionist colonists on a for Israelis only motorway built on stolen occupied Palestinian land, protected by trigger happy IDF.

If Israel were not illegally occupying the West Bank, this would not have happened.

No need for the ad hominem baiting either.

And then you whinge about posting lies? The IDF ROE are not what you describe.

What was known at the time of the first IDF announcement was that the teen (now he's a kid....seem to recall a time when calling a 3 year old "toddler" was met with derision) was among those responsible for the attack on the Israeli vehicles. When this was found to be otherwise, a correction was issued. No idea what you're on about with the killed teen pointing a gun at anyone - it was not claimed anywhere.

Do you know who the the people in the attacked cars were, or is this simply another off-the-shelf nonsense bit? Do you imagine that the ones hurling rocks and petrol bombs on the vehicles checked the identity and political views of the passengers? The road itself, by the way, is not wholly within Palestinian territory, but don't let that get in the way of a good rant.

[RuamRudy]

@dexterm

More like yet another propaganda rant.

No indication it was a "cold blooded extra judicial murder", but rather, as admitted by the IDF, a mistake. The first statement by the IDF was not a lie, as claimed, but based on what was known at the time. Obviously it was wrong, and hence, the correction. As for "surely...", surely you have no idea what the relevant ROE are, and yet spew the usual nonsense (like the irrelevance of tear gas).

The bit about 10 cars being hit sounds over the top, unless in includes the attack on the Israeli vehicles which triggered the OP. There is, as far as I can tell, no corroboration of this other than the Ma'an story. Of course, no one should doubt their accuracy or objectivity.... Same goes for the Dad's version, who seems to know exactly how it went down despite not being present at the scene.

Somehow managing to gloss over events which led to the the teen's death.

The usual one-sided over-the-top virulence is reserved for cases highlighting the agenda, while suspiciously quiet otherwise (http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/923596-two-suspects-are-detained-following-shooting-at-tel-aviv-shopping-centre/).

A mistake is when you step on someone's toe or when you spill coffee on your new rug. Riddling an innocent passer-by full of bullets is much, much more serious to most people but, sadly, the apartheid apologists show the depth of their humanity by referring to it so flippantly, even going so far as to cast doubts on the statements of those directly affected.

[Morch]

Yes, it was a mistake and admitted as such.

Mistakes in a decades long conflict zone are part of the territory on both sides.

The propaganda milking of mistakes is also part of the landscape.

So I guess now is a time for a dump on Israel party for people that enjoy that kind of thing.

No-one has yet explained how you can mistakenly pump bullets into a car without having received any fire from the car.

The only mistake was getting caught telling lies.

The relevant ROE does not specify having to be met with direct fire. Mistake as in mistaken identity. Not too hard to grasp for those not committed to one-sided agendas.

[Morch]

Great to see a military put their hands up and acknowledge a mistake.

After first deliberately lying, saying he was a terrorist.

Just an innocent kid snuffed out by some trigger happy IDF psychopath. Anyone who shoots, simply because they can, to kill a person who is no threat to themselves is a psychopath.

The only thing deliberate about this is your own deliberate distortion that there was a deliberate lie.

Drawing on your apparent acumen at mental diagnosis of people you haven't met - would those throwing rocks and petrol bombs at vehicles be considered "psychopaths" as well?

No they would not. I would call them freedom fighters resisting an illegal occupation of their own land.

No distortion. If you pump bullets into a car full of teenagers what evidence did the psychopaths have that they were, as falsely claimed, terrorists endangering his life. Please explain how the initial IDF claim was not a lie. You appear to know the facts.

It is the usual excuse used constantly by the IDF, as in other recent extra judicial killings.

No explanation I note for the hour and half delay in allowing paramedics to treat the injured allowing one to bleed to death. More IDF callous psychopathy.

There is no defense for the indefensible.

The usual moral acrobatics - defending one-sided wanton violence while yapping about no defense of the indefensible.

The distortion is claiming it was a deliberate lie. It was not. There was a statement issued according to information first received ,which was corrected. The wrong doing was admitted, and the matter is under investigation. Where is the lie, exactly? Far as I'm aware, there was no claim by the IDF that either those who threw the rocks/petrol bomb nor those mistakenly shot were endangering the lives of the soldiers.

Other than the Ma'an report regarding the paramedics being delayed, found no other support (short of repeating the same). I stand by Ma'an not being the most accurate or objective source.

[dexterm]

Yes, it was a mistake and admitted as such.

Mistakes in a decades long conflict zone are part of the territory on both sides.

The propaganda milking of mistakes is also part of the landscape.

So I guess now is a time for a dump on Israel party for people that enjoy that kind of thing.

No-one has yet explained how you can mistakenly pump bullets into a car without having received any fire from the car.

The only mistake was getting caught telling lies.

The relevant ROE does not specify having to be met with direct fire. Mistake as in mistaken identity. Not too hard to grasp for those not committed to one-sided agendas.

So it's OK to shoot to kill a teenager who is not actually throwing rocks or anything else at you or endangering your life in any way, but you think may have previously been in a group that was throwing rocks at other vehicles.

That's not an excuse, it's a war crime. The mistake you are attempting to justify is even worse if that is standard IDF precedure.

Talk about kangaroo court, judge, jury, and executioner!

[Morch]

@dexterm

More like yet another propaganda rant.

No indication it was a "cold blooded extra judicial murder", but rather, as admitted by the IDF, a mistake. The first statement by the IDF was not a lie, as claimed, but based on what was known at the time. Obviously it was wrong, and hence, the correction. As for "surely...", surely you have no idea what the relevant ROE are, and yet spew the usual nonsense (like the irrelevance of tear gas).

The bit about 10 cars being hit sounds over the top, unless in includes the attack on the Israeli vehicles which triggered the OP. There is, as far as I can tell, no corroboration of this other than the Ma'an story. Of course, no one should doubt their accuracy or objectivity.... Same goes for the Dad's version, who seems to know exactly how it went down despite not being present at the scene.

Somehow managing to gloss over events which led to the the teen's death.

The usual one-sided over-the-top virulence is reserved for cases highlighting the agenda, while suspiciously quiet otherwise (http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/923596-two-suspects-are-detained-following-shooting-at-tel-aviv-shopping-centre/).

A mistake is when you step on someone's toe or when you spill coffee on your new rug. Riddling an innocent passer-by full of bullets is much, much more serious to most people but, sadly, the apartheid apologists show the depth of their humanity by referring to it so flippantly, even going so far as to cast doubts on the statements of those directly affected.

Another one harping on semantics. So mistaken identity, mistaking one's target, mistaking the circumstances are all out. Neither yourself, nor the poster replied to got any clear indication as to how things went down (other than one-sided reports), and yet draw conclusive conclusions. Those "directly affected" were not at the scene is a fact. Nice to see the "resigned gloom" expressed in the instant "apartheid apologists" nonsense.

[Morch]

Yes, it was a mistake and admitted as such.

Mistakes in a decades long conflict zone are part of the territory on both sides.

The propaganda milking of mistakes is also part of the landscape.

So I guess now is a time for a dump on Israel party for people that enjoy that kind of thing.

No-one has yet explained how you can mistakenly pump bullets into a car without having received any fire from the car.

The only mistake was getting caught telling lies.

The relevant ROE does not specify having to be met with direct fire. Mistake as in mistaken identity. Not too hard to grasp for those not committed to one-sided agendas.

So it's OK to shoot to kill a teenager who is not actually throwing rocks or anything else at you or endangering your life in any way, but you think may have previously been in a group that was throwing rocks at other vehicles.

That's not an excuse, it's a war crime. The mistake you are attempting to justify is even worse if that is standard IDF precedure.

Talk about kangaroo court, judge, jury, and executioner!

The ROE does not specify direct danger to the shooter as a requisite. Preventing harm to others or the neutralizing an attacker is permitted.

Given that there is no clear information on how things actually went down, stating that the nonsense in your first line is premature.

Doubt it qualifies as a war crime, but then I'm not the legal expert some pretend to be.

[dexterm]

@Morch

So who issued the statement and who provided the false information that the boy was a terrorist? You appear to know these facts.

This is the Israeli propaganda way:

Lie.

Deny.

When found out...We have no knowledge of that. we'll look into it.

Yes, it's true, but it was a mistake.

Better wait. The matter is under investigation.

Bury war crime.

[dexterm]

@Morch

>>The ROE does not specify direct danger to the shooter as a requisite. Preventing harm to others or the neutralizing an attacker is permitted.

Well that is absolutely disgusting. It's all right to kill anything that moves. All you have to do is Think anything you like to excuse your actions, and you can get away with murder in the IDF.

This is why Israel is the pariah state that it is and is a long long way from the modern civilized democracy it claims to be.

Israel does its own demonizing because it behaves diabolically.

[Morch]

@dexterm

The IDF spokesperson, relying on information received from headquarters of forces at the scene, I presume. That's how things are normally done.

When it became clear it was not correct, a new statement was issued.

How hard could this be to grasp without stepping the propaganda pedal to floor?

[Morch]

@Morch

>>The ROE does not specify direct danger to the shooter as a requisite. Preventing harm to others or the neutralizing an attacker is permitted.

Well that is absolutely disgusting. It's all right to kill anything that moves. All you have to do is Think anything you like to excuse your actions, and you can get away with murder in the IDF.

This is why Israel is the pariah state that it is and is a long long way from the modern civilized democracy it claims to be.

Israel does its own demonizing because it behaves diabolically.

Posting this while whinging about propaganda and lies.....rich.

The ROE does not allow soldiers to kill anything that moves. Posting nonsense in bold will not make it any less nonsensical or more accurate. There would be no admittance of wrong doing no investigation if that was so.

Israel is a pariah state in your imagination, perhaps. Reality is somewhat different.

Go on bashing and ranting, got to milk this for all its got, right?

[Steely Dan]

Ring that bell Mr Pavlov! Though the dogs are curiously deaf to Palestinians being killed elsewhere, such as the 3000 in Syria by the Assad regime.

[dexterm]

A group of teenagers went for a swim on a hot summer's day, and while driving home in their own land one got shot to death by foreign trigger happy soldiers, who will probably get clean away with their war crime.

It's pretty clear who is terrorizing whom.

[RuamRudy]

@dexterm

More like yet another propaganda rant.

No indication it was a "cold blooded extra judicial murder", but rather, as admitted by the IDF, a mistake. The first statement by the IDF was not a lie, as claimed, but based on what was known at the time. Obviously it was wrong, and hence, the correction. As for "surely...", surely you have no idea what the relevant ROE are, and yet spew the usual nonsense (like the irrelevance of tear gas).

The bit about 10 cars being hit sounds over the top, unless in includes the attack on the Israeli vehicles which triggered the OP. There is, as far as I can tell, no corroboration of this other than the Ma'an story. Of course, no one should doubt their accuracy or objectivity.... Same goes for the Dad's version, who seems to know exactly how it went down despite not being present at the scene.

Somehow managing to gloss over events which led to the the teen's death.

The usual one-sided over-the-top virulence is reserved for cases highlighting the agenda, while suspiciously quiet otherwise (http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/923596-two-suspects-are-detained-following-shooting-at-tel-aviv-shopping-centre/).

A mistake is when you step on someone's toe or when you spill coffee on your new rug. Riddling an innocent passer-by full of bullets is much, much more serious to most people but, sadly, the apartheid apologists show the depth of their humanity by referring to it so flippantly, even going so far as to cast doubts on the statements of those directly affected.

Another one harping on semantics. So mistaken identity, mistaking one's target, mistaking the circumstances are all out. Neither yourself, nor the poster replied to got any clear indication as to how things went down (other than one-sided reports), and yet draw conclusive conclusions. Those "directly affected" were not at the scene is a fact. Nice to see the "resigned gloom" expressed in the instant "apartheid apologists" nonsense.

I could not disagree more. This is much more than petty semantics. This is the life of a child that has been snuffed out for no good reason, and you refer to it so lightly. I will repeat myself - there is not one ounce of humanity in your post that I was replying to, but lots of preparation for the defence of the people who killed him.

[dexterm]

Ring that bell Mr Pavlov! Though the dogs are curiously deaf to Palestinians being killed elsewhere, such as the 3000 in Syria by the Assad regime.

Sickening off topic deflection.

[Morch]

A group of teenagers went for a swim on a hot summer's day, and while driving home in their own land one got shot to death by foreign trigger happy soldiers, who will probably get clean away with their war crime.

It's pretty clear who is terrorizing whom.

And again, somehow skipping over previous events of that evening which led to the teen's death.

[Morch]

@dexterm

More like yet another propaganda rant.

No indication it was a "cold blooded extra judicial murder", but rather, as admitted by the IDF, a mistake. The first statement by the IDF was not a lie, as claimed, but based on what was known at the time. Obviously it was wrong, and hence, the correction. As for "surely...", surely you have no idea what the relevant ROE are, and yet spew the usual nonsense (like the irrelevance of tear gas).

The bit about 10 cars being hit sounds over the top, unless in includes the attack on the Israeli vehicles which triggered the OP. There is, as far as I can tell, no corroboration of this other than the Ma'an story. Of course, no one should doubt their accuracy or objectivity.... Same goes for the Dad's version, who seems to know exactly how it went down despite not being present at the scene.

Somehow managing to gloss over events which led to the the teen's death.

The usual one-sided over-the-top virulence is reserved for cases highlighting the agenda, while suspiciously quiet otherwise (http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/923596-two-suspects-are-detained-following-shooting-at-tel-aviv-shopping-centre/).

A mistake is when you step on someone's toe or when you spill coffee on your new rug. Riddling an innocent passer-by full of bullets is much, much more serious to most people but, sadly, the apartheid apologists show the depth of their humanity by referring to it so flippantly, even going so far as to cast doubts on the statements of those directly affected.

Another one harping on semantics. So mistaken identity, mistaking one's target, mistaking the circumstances are all out. Neither yourself, nor the poster replied to got any clear indication as to how things went down (other than one-sided reports), and yet draw conclusive conclusions. Those "directly affected" were not at the scene is a fact. Nice to see the "resigned gloom" expressed in the instant "apartheid apologists" nonsense.

I could not disagree more. This is much more than petty semantics. This is the life of a child that has been snuffed out for no good reason, and you refer to it so lightly. I will repeat myself - there is not one ounce of humanity in your post that I was replying to, but lots of preparation for the defence of the people who killed him.

Disagree all you like. Mistakes happen with sometimes tragic consequences.

I do not take the death of an innocent lightly, nor milk it for for propaganda value.

If it wasn't clear, I am not so much defending those who killed him, as much as resisting those who make this tragedy into yet another tool to service their agenda.

Over-the-top Ad hominem moral judgements are probably to be expected when one can't back up posts with anything else.

[pumpuy]

Yeah , the usual excuses , nothing different to expect anyway ... no surprise .

But WHY didn't the Israeli soldiers let the ambulance pass to help the boy ?

He did not die because of a gunshot , but because he lost too much blood .

The ambulance was retained 90 min . by the time they could finally pass , the boy was dead .