Israeli teenager stabbed to death in her bed by Palestinian

[webfact]

Israeli teenager stabbed to death in her bed by Palestinian
By Catherine Hardy | With REUTERS



JERUSALEM: -- An Israeli teenager has been stabbed to death while asleep in her own bedroom at a Jewish settlement in the occupied West Bank, officials say.

A spokesman for the Israeli military says the 13-year-old died at her home in Kiryat Arba on the outskirts of the city of Hebron.

A security officer called to the scene was wounded. Health workers say the 30-year-old is in a serious condition in hospital.

The alleged attacker was shot dead. He has been identified by Palestinian officials as a 17-year-old from a nearby village.

“Our revenge will be to keep building on this land”
The teenage victim is a distant relative of Israeli Agriculture Minister Uri Ariel.

“The vengeance of the Lord is the vengeance of the Lord,” he told reporters, “but our vengeance will be to continue to build on this land.”

A recent upsurge in violence
Palestinian leaders say assailants have acted out of desperation over peace talks which have been stalled since 2014 and Israeli settlement building in the territory that Palestinians want for a state.

Over the past eight months, Palestinians have killed:

33 Israelis
Two visiting US citizens

Israel says incitement in the Palestinian media and personal problems at home have been the factors spurring assailants, who are often teenagers, to launch attacks.

Over the same time period, Israeli forces have:
shot dead at least 198 Palestinians
claimed 134 of them were attackers

Tensions over Jewish access to a contested holy site in Jerusalem have also fuelled the violence.

The site, known as Temple Mount by Jews, is revered by Muslims as Haram al-Sharif or Noble Sanctuary.

-- (c) Copyright Euronews 2016-07-01

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Palestinian kills Israeli girl, 13, sleeping in her bedroom
By JOSEF FEDERMAN

JERUSALEM (AP) — A Palestinian youth sneaked into a fortified Jewish settlement in the West Bank on Thursday, broke into a home and stabbed to death a 13-year-old Israeli-American girl as she slept in bed before frantic security guards arrived and killed him.

The girl, identified as Hallel Yaffa Ariel, became the youngest Israeli victim of a nine-month wave of violence that has seen dozens of Palestinian attacks.

The early-morning stabbing, carried out by a 17-year-old Palestinian high school dropout, was among the most brazen attacks so far, drawing angry accusations and calls from Israeli leaders for the world to condemn the incident.

"The horrifying murder of a young girl in her bed underscores the bloodlust and inhumanity of the incitement-driven terrorists that we are facing," Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said. "The entire world needs to condemn this murder, just as it condemned the terrorist attacks in Orlando and Brussels."

In Washington, U.S. State Department spokesman John Kirby condemned "in the strongest terms the outrageous terrorist attack" and called the stabbing "unconscionable."

Kirby said Hallel was also an American citizen. Israel has a large community of dual American citizens, numbering in the tens of thousands.

Lt. Col. Peter Lerner, an Israeli military spokesman, said the attacker got past a fence surrounding the West Bank settlement of Kiryat Arba and quickly made his way to Hallel's home. He said it was not yet clear how he entered the home, but that he locked the front door from the inside to prevent rescuers from getting in.

Israel's Channel 2 TV said the settlement's private security guards had spotted the Palestinian youth as he infiltrated the settlement and rushed after him to the home. But by the time they arrived it was too late to save Hallel.

The settlement's security chief, Eyal Gelman, told the station that the girl's father, who was a member of the security patrol, had a key and opened the door. The guards shot and killed the attacker, though one of the security men was stabbed and wounded in the standoff.

Photographs released by the Israeli government showed a pool of blood in a colorful children's bedroom. Hallel was a relative of Israeli Cabinet Minister Uri Ariel, a member of the "Jewish Home" party, which is affiliated with the West Bank settler movement. After the attack, Ariel said Israel would make "every effort" to expand its settlements in the West Bank.

Kiryat Arba is a hard-line Jewish settlement of about 7,000 residents, located near the West Bank city of Hebron that is home to about 170,000 Palestinians. The city has been a frequent flashpoint of violence.

Hundreds of people, including several senior politicians, attended the girl's funeral later Thursday.

"You were the light of my life," said her mother, Rina Ariel. "Farewell, sweetheart. Have one last hug from mommy."

Earlier, in a tearful plea to reporters at the hospital, she described how her daughter had been sleeping in late on a summer vacation morning when she was killed. She urged people to visit Kiryat Arba to offer strength and consolation to the family. "Come to say that our Kiryat Arba and our place is still a place where it is possible to live and not die," she said.

The Palestinians claim all of the West Bank, captured by Israel from Jordan in the 1967 war, as part of a future independent state. The Palestinians and the international community consider the settlements to be illegal or illegitimate.

Since last September, Palestinians have carried out dozens of stabbings, shootings and attacks using cars that have killed 33 Israelis and two American tourists. Some 200 Palestinians have been killed during that time, most identified as attackers by Israel.

In a second incident later on Thursday, a Palestinian assailant stabbed two Israelis in the coastal city of Netanya before he was shot and killed by an armed civilian. The Israelis were reported to be moderately wounded.

The assaults were once near-daily occurrences, but have slowed in recent months, though they have not stopped. On June 8, a pair of Palestinian gunmen killed four Israelis in a popular Tel Aviv tourist district.

Israeli officials say the violence is the result of anti-Israeli incitement by Palestinian leaders and in Palestinian social media. Lerner, the military spokesman, said that Thursday's attacker in Kiryat Arba had been active on Facebook lately, praising previous deadly attacks on Israelis.

Palestinian officials say the violence is the result of despair after two decades of failed peace efforts, and a lack of hope for gaining independence after nearly 50 years of Israeli occupation.

They also accuse Israel of using excessive force, killing attackers who could have been stopped and in some cases, killing innocent people. Last week, the Israeli army acknowledged that it had apparently shot and killed a Palestinian youth in the West Bank by mistake.

Israeli security forces have had a difficult time stopping the attackers, largely because they tend to be young assailants, often in their teens or early 20s, acting on their own and not sent by organized militant groups tracked by security agencies.

The Kiryat Arba attacker seemed to fit that profile. The Palestinian Health Ministry identified him as Mohammed Tarayreh, 17, from the Bani Naim village near the settlement.

The Israeli military quickly cordoned off the village and searched the family's home. Netanyahu said that Israel would revoke Israeli work permits for family members and make preparations to demolish the family home — a controversial tactic that critics say is unfair collective punishment.

Adnan Tarayreh, a cousin, said Mohammed had dropped out of school and was working in a bakery. He speculated the teen may have been spurred to action after the death of a cousin who was killed while attempting to ram his vehicle into Israelis in Kiryat Arba several months ago.

Tarayreh's mother, Um Kamel, said soldiers had entered the home and questioned several family members. She said she had no idea that her son had planned the attack, but appeared to be proud.

"I know when someone sneaks into a settlement he is a hero, but I didn't know that my son is bold to this degree," she said.

The attacker's uncle, Rajeh Tarayreh, later said the family is hosting a celebration that's a tradition for every "martyr" killed by Israel, complete with national songs and accepting visitors offering congratulations.

"He did something he was totally convinced of," he said of his nephew. "Yes, he might have killed a small girl, but Palestinian kids are being killed too."

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas did not comment on the attack. He has spoken out against violence in the past, though Israeli officials say his apologies have been half-hearted at best. At times, they have accused him of making comments amounting to incitement.

A growing number of Israelis believe the roots of the violence go much deeper, and say the lack of hope over a stagnated peace process is driving the unrest.

"People need to see a light at the end of the tunnel," retired Maj. Gen. Gadi Shamni told Israel Radio.

Shamni is among the authors of a new report, endorsed by more than 200 retired security commanders, urging Israel to take steps to improve the political climate and Palestinian economy to create conditions for a final peace deal.

Palestinian political science lecturer Ahmad Jamil Azem at Birzeit University said the past months of violence have persisted because young Palestinians have felt exasperated by Israel's ongoing military occupation and a weak Palestinian leadership.

"We don't have anything," Azem said. "Nobody has a political vision."

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Associated Press writers Daniella Cheslow in Jerusalem, Mohammed Daraghmeh in Ramallah, West Bank, and Matt Lee in Washington contributed to this report.


-- (c) Associated Press 2016-07-01

[Scott]

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[SOTIRIOS]

.....wow.....seems pretty unlikely some would say........

[boomerangutang]

Atrocious.

[RuamRudy]

Tragic and disgusting; another innocent young life lost because of bitter old men who refuse to budge.

[mesterm]

A world gone mad.

[Scott]

Numerous troll posts and replies have been removed. Suspensions will now be issued.

[Jingthing]

It's related to Ramadan terrorism incitement and also about the Temple Mount.

It matters not whether the victims of this Jihadist terrorism are in the West Bank or in Tel Aviv -- it's ALL terrorism.

This young girl, another totally INNOCENT victim of Jihadist terrorism.

Predictably, Arab world media organizations are praising the terrorist child killer as a heroic martyr.

Like a set of dominoes, one attack sets off the idea for the next, and often, the chain linking them can be found online.

Israelis were still in a state of mourning over the horrendous terrorist murder of 13-year-old Hallel Yaffa Ariel in her bed, when news came in of a new stabbing attack on Thursday, this time targeting civilians on the streets of Netanya.

The close proximity of these savage attacks is no coincidence; the jihad is contagious.

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Jihad-is-contagious-459235

Edited July 1, 2016 by Jingthing

[dexterm]

It's related to Ramadan terrorism incitement and also about the Temple Mount.

It matters not whether the victims of this Jihadist terrorism are in the West Bank or in Tel Aviv -- it's ALL terrorism.

This young girl, another totally INNOCENT victim of Jihadist terrorism.

Predictably, Arab world media organizations are praising the terrorist child killer as a heroic martyr.

Like a set of dominoes, one attack sets off the idea for the next, and often, the chain linking them can be found online.

Israelis were still in a state of mourning over the horrendous terrorist murder of 13-year-old Hallel Yaffa Ariel in her bed, when news came in of a new stabbing attack on Thursday, this time targeting civilians on the streets of Netanya.[/size]

The close proximity of these savage attacks is no coincidence; the jihad is contagious.[/size]

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Jihad-is-contagious-459235

I agree with you that the little girl is a totally innocent victim.

It's heart breakingly sad. I condemn the murder of an innocent 13 year old girl. Anyone who murders an innocent child is a terrorist. Her whole life ahead of her taken away needlessly. RIP.

I disagree with you over the background cause of the tragedy. I concur with Maj Gen Shamni in the OP...

"A growing number of Israelis believe the roots of the violence go much deeper, and say the lack of hope over a stagnated peace process is driving the unrest.

"People need to see a light at the end of the tunnel," retired Maj. Gen. Gadi Shamni told Israel Radio.

Shamni is among the authors of a new report, endorsed by more than 200 retired security commanders, urging Israel to take steps to improve the political climate and Palestinian economy to create conditions for a final peace deal."

[Morch]

It's related to Ramadan terrorism incitement and also about the Temple Mount.

It matters not whether the victims of this Jihadist terrorism are in the West Bank or in Tel Aviv -- it's ALL terrorism.

This young girl, another totally INNOCENT victim of Jihadist terrorism.

Predictably, Arab world media organizations are praising the terrorist child killer as a heroic martyr.

Like a set of dominoes, one attack sets off the idea for the next, and often, the chain linking them can be found online.

Israelis were still in a state of mourning over the horrendous terrorist murder of 13-year-old Hallel Yaffa Ariel in her bed, when news came in of a new stabbing attack on Thursday, this time targeting civilians on the streets of Netanya.[/size]

The close proximity of these savage attacks is no coincidence; the jihad is contagious.[/size]

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Jihad-is-contagious-459235

I agree with you that the little girl is a totally innocent victim.

It's heart breakingly sad. I condemn the murder of an innocent 13 year old girl. Anyone who murders an innocent child is a terrorist. Her whole life ahead of her taken away needlessly. RIP.

I disagree with you over the background cause of the tragedy. I concur with Maj Gen Shamni in the OP...

"A growing number of Israelis believe the roots of the violence go much deeper, and say the lack of hope over a stagnated peace process is driving the unrest.

"People need to see a light at the end of the tunnel," retired Maj. Gen. Gadi Shamni told Israel Radio.

Shamni is among the authors of a new report, endorsed by more than 200 retired security commanders, urging Israel to take steps to improve the political climate and Palestinian economy to create conditions for a final peace deal."

As ever, denying all connections to incitement and religious motives. Even when they appear in the OP....

With regard to the ritual of embracing IDF officer's opinions, and equating them with your own, the same old fail.

By the way, Shamni did stress the dangers, effects and role of religious fanaticism (Jewish and Muslim alike) on quite a few occasions.

Here are some other views expressed by Shamni:

Israel Needs an Indefinite Security Presence in the Jordan Valley

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.566927

The Lost Obama Years

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.569631

And here's how Shamni was described by a journalist favored by some posters:

Victory of Brutality

http://www.haaretz.com/victory-of-brutality-1.116712

[nausea]

Well I hope you're very happy, extremists on both sides. An innocent girl dead. What potential her life must have had - marriage, children, a career - crazy, absolutely crazy.

[bangon04]

"The Israeli military quickly cordoned off the village and searched the family's home. Netanyahu said that Israel would revoke Israeli work permits for family members and make preparations to demolish the family home — a controversial tactic that critics say is unfair collective punishment."

yes that is sure to calm things down and defuse the resentment of the Palestinians...

"“Our revenge will be to keep building on this land”

and so will this - with the full approval of Netanyahu, who will never negotiate with the Palestinians in good faith.

Edited July 1, 2016 by bangon04

[RuamRudy]

"The Israeli military quickly cordoned off the village and searched the family's home. Netanyahu said that Israel would revoke Israeli work permits for family members and make preparations to demolish the family home — a controversial tactic that critics say is unfair collective punishment."

yes that is sure to calm things down and defuse the resentment of the Palestinians...

It is clear that he doesn't peace any more than the Palestinian leadership.

[Galactus]

very sad news again from cursed lands.

i condemn the murder of a 13 years old girl with all my heart. RIP.

and disgusting to see some palestinians celebrating the murder of a 13 years old girl.

still, i believe cause of murder this murder again fault of Israel, years of occupation and oppression created some depressive, angry, ready to murder youngsters at palestinian side.

and israel keeps occupying and saying their revenge will be occupying more palestinian land. bloody vicious circle goes on unfortunately. days ago it was 15 years old palestinian and yesterday a 13 years old israeli girl. no one knows what will happen next!

"A growing number of Israelis believe the roots of the violence go much deeper, and say the lack of hope over a stagnated peace process is driving the unrest.
"People need to see a light at the end of the tunnel,"

Maj. Gen. Gadi Shamni is right.

and israel has no right to do collective punishment by razing the family house of murderer. whatever happens.

Edited July 1, 2016 by Galactus

[dexterm]

It's related to Ramadan terrorism incitement and also about the Temple Mount.

It matters not whether the victims of this Jihadist terrorism are in the West Bank or in Tel Aviv -- it's ALL terrorism.

This young girl, another totally INNOCENT victim of Jihadist terrorism.

Predictably, Arab world media organizations are praising the terrorist child killer as a heroic martyr.

Like a set of dominoes, one attack sets off the idea for the next, and often, the chain linking them can be found online.

Israelis were still in a state of mourning over the horrendous terrorist murder of 13-year-old Hallel Yaffa Ariel in her bed, when news came in of a new stabbing attack on Thursday, this time targeting civilians on the streets of Netanya.[/size]

The close proximity of these savage attacks is no coincidence; the jihad is contagious.[/size]

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Jihad-is-contagious-459235

I agree with you that the little girl is a totally innocent victim.

It's heart breakingly sad. I condemn the murder of an innocent 13 year old girl. Anyone who murders an innocent child is a terrorist. Her whole life ahead of her taken away needlessly. RIP.

I disagree with you over the background cause of the tragedy. I concur with Maj Gen Shamni in the OP...

"A growing number of Israelis believe the roots of the violence go much deeper, and say the lack of hope over a stagnated peace process is driving the unrest.

"People need to see a light at the end of the tunnel," retired Maj. Gen. Gadi Shamni told Israel Radio.

Shamni is among the authors of a new report, endorsed by more than 200 retired security commanders, urging Israel to take steps to improve the political climate and Palestinian economy to create conditions for a final peace deal."

As ever, denying all connections to incitement and religious motives. Even when they appear in the OP....

With regard to the ritual of embracing IDF officer's opinions, and equating them with your own, the same old fail.

By the way, Shamni did stress the dangers, effects and role of religious fanaticism (Jewish and Muslim alike) on quite a few occasions.

Here are some other views expressed by Shamni:

Israel Needs an Indefinite Security Presence in the Jordan Valley

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.566927

The Lost Obama Years

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.569631

And here's how Shamni was described by a journalist favored by some posters:

Victory of Brutality

http://www.haaretz.com/victory-of-brutality-1.116712

I simply agreed with Maj Gen Shamni in the OP and his assessment that the roots of the present violence "go much deeper". Perhaps more Israelis should heed his wisdom, rather than look for superficial religious reasons for the OP atrocity, that are much easier to compartmentalize with stereotypes and thus make dismissing the underlying causes easier.

The background op-ed you link is 12 years old. The fact that after all those years Shamni now realizes the futility of a repressive military solution despite his best earlier brutal efforts gives further credibility to his reading of the situation today IMO.

The rest of your links are off topic.So I won't be discussing them.

My condemnation of the terrorist act against the little girl is genuine. It's so abominable, may both sides try to make it the last one, so that her death becomes a memorial for peace.

I want this madness to end, not constantly upping the ante with collective punishments or tit for tat murders, which will only cause more hatred and resentment.

Edited July 1, 2016 by dexterm

[Johpa]

still, i believe cause of murder this murder again fault of Israel, years of occupation and oppression created some depressive, angry, ready to murder youngsters at palestinian side.

and israel keeps occupying and saying their revenge will be occupying more palestinian land. bloody vicious circle goes on unfortunately. days ago it was 15 years old palestinian and yesterday a 13 years old israeli girl. no one knows what will happen next!

No, the more proximate cause of this horrendous murder, I mean who sneaks up on a sleeping child and murders them, is the unrelenting virulent antisemitism that is endemic within the Arab media. Israeli occupation of the territories is to be condemned, and as I have noted here that I too support the BDS movement. And it is horrible when Israeli soldiers shoot innocents while on duty. But do no compare shootings while on duty where one is being tasked to protect in an atmosphere of uncertainty with the scenario where someone is sleeping and you are 100% assured that they will continue to be sleeping. But those who have never been policemen or never been tasked with policing a crowd will never understand.

Again, both sides are in the wrong. Pick a side and you become wrong too.

[DaddyWarbucks]

I agree with you that the little girl is a totally innocent victim.

It's heart breakingly sad. I condemn the murder of an innocent 13 year old girl. Anyone who murders an innocent child is a terrorist. Her whole life ahead of her taken away needlessly. RIP.

I disagree with you over the background cause of the tragedy. I concur with Maj Gen Shamni in the OP...

"A growing number of Israelis believe the roots of the violence go much deeper, and say the lack of hope over a stagnated peace process is driving the unrest.

"People need to see a light at the end of the tunnel," retired Maj. Gen. Gadi Shamni told Israel Radio.

Shamni is among the authors of a new report, endorsed by more than 200 retired security commanders, urging Israel to take steps to improve the political climate and Palestinian economy to create conditions for a final peace deal."

As ever, denying all connections to incitement and religious motives. Even when they appear in the OP....

With regard to the ritual of embracing IDF officer's opinions, and equating them with your own, the same old fail.

By the way, Shamni did stress the dangers, effects and role of religious fanaticism (Jewish and Muslim alike) on quite a few occasions.

Here are some other views expressed by Shamni:

Israel Needs an Indefinite Security Presence in the Jordan Valley

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.566927

The Lost Obama Years

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.569631

And here's how Shamni was described by a journalist favored by some posters:

Victory of Brutality

http://www.haaretz.com/victory-of-brutality-1.116712

I simply agreed with Maj Gen Shamni in the OP and his assessment that the roots of the present violence "go much deeper". Perhaps more Israelis should heed his wisdom, rather than look for superficial religious reasons for the OP atrocity, that are much easier to compartmentalize with stereotypes and thus make dismissing the underlying causes easier.

The background op-ed you link is 12 years old. The fact that after all those years Shamni now realizes the futility of a repressive military solution despite his best earlier brutal efforts gives further credibility to his reading of the situation today IMO.

The rest of your links are off topic.So I won't be discussing them.

My condemnation of the terrorist act against the little girl is genuine. It's so abominable, may both sides try to make it the last one, so that her death becomes a memorial for peace.

I want this madness to end, not constantly upping the ante with collective punishments or tit for tat murders, which will only cause more hatred and resentment.

Exceptionally good post.

You make some excellent points - especially regarding Shamni's current position being a result of his long experience.

The only hope for an end to this hideous conflict is to encourage Israeli moderates who are willing to live within their legitimate 1967 borders.

[Morch]

I agree with you that the little girl is a totally innocent victim.

It's heart breakingly sad. I condemn the murder of an innocent 13 year old girl. Anyone who murders an innocent child is a terrorist. Her whole life ahead of her taken away needlessly. RIP.

I disagree with you over the background cause of the tragedy. I concur with Maj Gen Shamni in the OP...

"A growing number of Israelis believe the roots of the violence go much deeper, and say the lack of hope over a stagnated peace process is driving the unrest.

"People need to see a light at the end of the tunnel," retired Maj. Gen. Gadi Shamni told Israel Radio.

Shamni is among the authors of a new report, endorsed by more than 200 retired security commanders, urging Israel to take steps to improve the political climate and Palestinian economy to create conditions for a final peace deal."

As ever, denying all connections to incitement and religious motives. Even when they appear in the OP....

With regard to the ritual of embracing IDF officer's opinions, and equating them with your own, the same old fail.

By the way, Shamni did stress the dangers, effects and role of religious fanaticism (Jewish and Muslim alike) on quite a few occasions.

Here are some other views expressed by Shamni:

Israel Needs an Indefinite Security Presence in the Jordan Valley

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.566927

The Lost Obama Years

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.569631

And here's how Shamni was described by a journalist favored by some posters:

Victory of Brutality

http://www.haaretz.com/victory-of-brutality-1.116712

I simply agreed with Maj Gen Shamni in the OP and his assessment that the roots of the present violence "go much deeper". Perhaps more Israelis should heed his wisdom, rather than look for superficial religious reasons for the OP atrocity, that are much easier to compartmentalize with stereotypes and thus make dismissing the underlying causes easier.

The background op-ed you link is 12 years old. The fact that after all those years Shamni now realizes the futility of a repressive military solution despite his best earlier brutal efforts gives further credibility to his reading of the situation today IMO.

The rest of your links are off topic.So I won't be discussing them.

My condemnation of the terrorist act against the little girl is genuine. It's so abominable, may both sides try to make it the last one, so that her death becomes a memorial for peace.

I want this madness to end, not constantly upping the ante with collective punishments or tit for tat murders, which will only cause more hatred and resentment.

The "roots of the violence go much deeper" is not Shamni's assessment, but an addition by the author of the OP. The quote that does appear in the OP is part of his closing remarks on a radio interview (and even that is a paraphrase, not verbatim quote). The interview was way more balanced, and did not assert but one reason for leading to Palestinian violence. There were direct references to Palestinian incitement, religious sentiment, and the relative influence of Hamas and the PA.

Shamni does not "now realizes" anything. He was one the IDF commanders most resented by illegal settlers during his tenure in the West Bank. mostly for not bending over at their whim. The point made is that extremists, left and right, tend to categorize people in accordance with their agenda. The other links simply illustrate the gap between Shamni's views and your own. His are pro-peace, yet moderate and realistic, exhibiting an absence of inflammatory content.

And here's another difference. There is nothing expected of the Palestinian side when it comes to such attacks and murders. Nada. There's a condemnation, and on with laying the responsibility on the reality of the Israeli Occupation. Incitement to violence, religious motivations, public displays of support - all are denied, relegated to insignificant factors, or simply ignored. And yet, each and every incident involving Palestinian casualties sees the frothing yells regarding the very same things, and worse, hipped on the other side.

A couple of updates: A female relative of the murderer was shot and killed in Hebron, while trying to stab soldiers. In another attacks, 10-15 km south, an Israeli car was sprayed with bullets on the main road, husband killed, wife critical, two kids wounded.

[Morch]

Exceptionally good post.

You make some excellent points - especially regarding Shamni's current position being a result of his long experience.

The only hope for an end to this hideous conflict is to encourage Israeli moderates who are willing to live within their legitimate 1967 borders.

The only hope for an end to this hideous conflict is to encourage Israeli moderates who are willing to live within their legitimate 1967 borders.

Peace usually requires at least two sides. Something some posters routinely fail to acknowledge.

[DaddyWarbucks]

Exceptionally good post.

You make some excellent points - especially regarding Shamni's current position being a result of his long experience.

The only hope for an end to this hideous conflict is to encourage Israeli moderates who are willing to live within their legitimate 1967 borders.

The only hope for an end to this hideous conflict is to encourage Israeli moderates who are willing to live within their legitimate 1967 borders.

Peace usually requires at least two sides. Something some posters routinely fail to acknowledge.

Quite true - but a first step has to be taken.

Since Israel is in violation of international law by occupying Palestinian land they should be the ones to leave.

If they are attacked within their internationally recognized 1967 borders, then retaliation would be justified.

[Morch]

Exceptionally good post.

You make some excellent points - especially regarding Shamni's current position being a result of his long experience.

The only hope for an end to this hideous conflict is to encourage Israeli moderates who are willing to live within their legitimate 1967 borders.

The only hope for an end to this hideous conflict is to encourage Israeli moderates who are willing to live within their legitimate 1967 borders.

Peace usually requires at least two sides. Something some posters routinely fail to acknowledge.

Quite true - but a first step has to be taken.

Since Israel is in violation of international law by occupying Palestinian land they should be the ones to leave.

If they are attacked within their internationally recognized 1967 borders, then retaliation would be justified.

Suggest you re-read the OP. It relates another Palestinian attack carried out well within 1967 lines.

Presenting a childish format while addressing a complex situation is a recipe for disaster. Kinda like the Brexit thing - no thought about what happens next.

[amja]

Offcourse it is a hideous crime, I compare it to Israeli military shoot 10 year old, just for throwing some stones at their former home that the Israeli decided to make a "Settlement"

SHAME ON BOTH SIDES!

Amja

[Jingthing]

Offcourse it is a hideous crime, I compare it to Israeli military shoot 10 year old, just for throwing some stones at their former home that the Israeli decided to make a "Settlement"

SHAME ON BOTH SIDES!

Amja

Your suggestion of an equivalency is VOMIT inducing.

Rock throwing Palestinian kids have killed people.

A teenager sleeping in her bedroom murdered in cold blood motivated by some kind of insane Ramadan incitement ... digest that.

[Galactus]

Exceptionally good post.

You make some excellent points - especially regarding Shamni's current position being a result of his long experience.

The only hope for an end to this hideous conflict is to encourage Israeli moderates who are willing to live within their legitimate 1967 borders.

The only hope for an end to this hideous conflict is to encourage Israeli moderates who are willing to live within their legitimate 1967 borders.

Peace usually requires at least two sides. Something some posters routinely fail to acknowledge.

Quite true - but a first step has to be taken.

Since Israel is in violation of international law by occupying Palestinian land they should be the ones to leave.

If they are attacked within their internationally recognized 1967 borders, then retaliation would be justified.

Suggest you re-read the OP. It relates another Palestinian attack carried out well within 1967 lines.

Presenting a childish format while addressing a complex situation is a recipe for disaster. Kinda like the Brexit thing - no thought about what happens next.

1967 or whatever.

it is israel occupied and still occupying land. true or not?

conflict is one sided because israel does not want to return the occupied land to palestinians.

keeping them locked like in a zoo. threats of more occupation. razed family houses...basically giving them no hope. and here we go, some young hopeless psychopaths are created killing an innocent girl in her sleep. RIP:(

Edited July 1, 2016 by Galactus

[Morch]

The only hope for an end to this hideous conflict is to encourage Israeli moderates who are willing to live within their legitimate 1967 borders.

Peace usually requires at least two sides. Something some posters routinely fail to acknowledge.

Quite true - but a first step has to be taken.

Since Israel is in violation of international law by occupying Palestinian land they should be the ones to leave.

If they are attacked within their internationally recognized 1967 borders, then retaliation would be justified.

Suggest you re-read the OP. It relates another Palestinian attack carried out well within 1967 lines.

Presenting a childish format while addressing a complex situation is a recipe for disaster. Kinda like the Brexit thing - no thought about what happens next.

1967 or whatever.

it is israel occupied and still occupying land. true or not?

conflict is one sided because israel does not want to return the occupied land to palestinians.

keeping them locked like in a zoo. threats of more occupation. razed family houses...basically giving them no hope. and here we go, some young hopeless psychopaths are created killing an innocent girl in her sleep. RIP:(

There are no one sided conflicts.

[Andaman Al]

Offcourse it is a hideous crime, I compare it to Israeli military shoot 10 year old, just for throwing some stones at their former home that the Israeli decided to make a "Settlement"

SHAME ON BOTH SIDES!

Amja

Your suggestion of an equivalency is VOMIT inducing.

Rock throwing Palestinian kids have killed people.

A teenager sleeping in her bedroom murdered in cold blood motivated by some kind of insane Ramadan incitement ... digest that.

Am I reading this correctly! I cannot believe my eyes, are you seriously trying to tell us that a rock throwing 10 year old is fair game to be shot?

My heart goes out to the young girl and to ANY child caught up in this neanderthal madness.

[Galactus]

Quite true - but a first step has to be taken.

Since Israel is in violation of international law by occupying Palestinian land they should be the ones to leave.

If they are attacked within their internationally recognized 1967 borders, then retaliation would be justified.

Suggest you re-read the OP. It relates another Palestinian attack carried out well within 1967 lines.

Presenting a childish format while addressing a complex situation is a recipe for disaster. Kinda like the Brexit thing - no thought about what happens next.

1967 or whatever.

it is israel occupied and still occupying land. true or not?

conflict is one sided because israel does not want to return the occupied land to palestinians.

keeping them locked like in a zoo. threats of more occupation. razed family houses...basically giving them no hope. and here we go, some young hopeless psychopaths are created killing an innocent girl in her sleep. RIP:(

There are no one sided conflicts.

ho hum. i am sure you didnt create this world too?

c'mon morch. you know the fact that 'roots of violence go much more deeper'

[Ulysses G.]

Am I reading this correctly! I cannot believe my eyes, are you seriously trying to tell us that a rock throwing 10 year old is fair game to be shot?

He did not say that. YOU did. Get off the moral high-horse. Justifying the murder of a teenager girl is demented.

Edited July 1, 2016 by Ulysses G.

[DaddyWarbucks]

Am I reading this correctly! I cannot believe my eyes, are you seriously trying to tell us that a rock throwing 10 year old is fair game to be shot?

He did not say that. YOU did. Get off the moral high-horse. Justifying the murder of a teenager girl is demented.

Andaman Al didn't justify the murder of a teenage girl - you forgot to quote his last line.

"My​ heart goes out to the young girl and to ANY child caught up in this Neanderthal madness."