Police invoke Section 44 for the first time to deal with student brawl

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Police deal Section 44 with first student brawl



BANGKOK: -- The Royal Thai Police deputy commissioner yesterday vowed to impose penalty on the parent of two technical students, friends, colleges and any people who supported them to commit crimes after they were arrested for shooting on rival students on a city bus, injuring four students and innocent people.

The shooting came less than a week after the prime minister decided to invoke Section 44 of the interim constitution to deal toughly with unruly students fighting each other, using arms.

Under the order issued under Section 44, not only students but their parents will be held responsible. This included supporters and colleges of the brawling students.

Pol Gen Pongsapat Pongcharoen, deputy commissioner of the Royal Thai Police, announced penalise patents of the two students after they were escorted to reenact the shooting of their rival students in Minburi.

He said this would be the first student violent case that the police would tackle all people responsible under Section 44.

He said now the police could act promptly to subdue student violence and also work more smoothly to get all those involved for punishment.

He said under this special law, it empowered the police to detain brawling students for six hours and summon their parents for questioning.

College of these brawling students could also face punishment if they did not do enough to take care of their students.

They could be disallowed to admit new students in the next semester if investigation showed they neglect to need the new order of the prime minister.

Pol Gen Pongsapat also said the police would also find senior students who backed student brawls and take them for legal action.

Parents must account for their children’s rogue behaviour and this also will apply to people who support the violence, he said.

Yesterday the police brought two students of the Minburi Polytechnic College of Technology, to react the crime after the duo had confessed to shooting their rivals on the bus.

Nattapong Sangtong-ngarm or Boy and Pakawat Tunma or Pae prostrated themselves at their parents’ feet to repent for their wrongdoing after they fired shots at rival college students on Bus No 131 at Minburi market on June 27. Four people on the bus were injured .

At the press conference, the duo said they met their rivals for the first time and the rivals gave the middle finger, which was considered an insulting and obscene gesture.

They chased them in a motorcycle and then shot at them on the bus before fleeing.

Three students from Kanchanaphisek Technical College Mahanakhon, and one Myanmar woman on the bus were injured in the attack.

After the incident, they regretted their crime and told their parents to bring them to report to the police.

Police yesterday also questioned a mother and a grandmother of the two students to find out whether they had warned their children against violence.

Yesterday acting metropolitan police commissioner led the police and soldiers to search for weapons and illegal items in Bangkok College of Industrial Technology while another team of officials conducted search at Bangkapi Technology College.

The searches were conducted under Section 44.

However, no weapons have been found during the searches.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/police-deal-section-44-first-student-brawl/

-- Thai PBS 2016-07-01

[rkidlad]

If laws were enforced properly, you wouldn't need 44. Not that it makes any difference. DELETED

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[Dodgydownunder]

I'd love to see them prostrated at their victim's feet (when they recover) before spending some time in juvenile detention. They're not really sorry, just sorry they were caught. AND..... Section 44 is bullshit if it's not enforced strongly.

"Police yesterday also questioned a mother and a grandmother of the two students to find out whether they had warned their children against violence." What a joke!

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[DLang]

How about proper sentences.... a 'student' walking the street (or anywhere) with a 3 foot long machete gets (obviously) expelled from school and sentenced to 2-3 years in prison, no parole, no pardons.

[DLang]

They chased them in a motorcycle and then shot at them on the bus before fleeing.

Three students from Kanchanaphisek Technical College Mahanakhon, and one Myanmar woman on the bus were injured in the attack.

Attempted murder.

12 years imprisonment.

But let them study for free in prison.

Should have a special version of the government's 15 years Free Education Program.

any student caught with a gun gets 15 years free education in prison.

[ezzra]

You wonder if those kids are there to learn something or fight, no wonder the country in in short demand
of qualified professionals in all industry and manufacturing segments, Thai engineers are nothing to write

home about on any given day, and they waste their learning time with endless, stupid and moronic

fights that cost lives.....

[seajae]

actually this is good, its about time the parents and those that encourage them are charged as well, maybe parents will start to think twice about telling them they can do as they please, parenting is one of the main causes of problems in Thailand because the parents simply let their kids do as they please and never admonish them. Maybe making them responsible financially and with jail time will make them start to take more positive attitudes and teach their children responsibility for their actions as well as respect for others

[wirat69]

They could be disallowed to admit new students in the next semester if investigation showed they neglect to need the new order of the prime minister.

forget mixing up your "p"'s and "q"'s, for a mix up of your "h"'s and "n"'s shows a lack of heed when [proof] reading this article!!!

No new intake, anywhere, might be a bit hard for the labour market to swallow!!!... and they will all be needy and heed the Honourable Prime Minister and those in authority in the future. Good life lesson!!!

[elgordo38]

I'd love to see them prostrated at their victim's feet (when they recover) before spending some time in juvenile detention. They're not really sorry, just sorry they were caught. AND..... Section 44 is bullshit if it's not enforced strongly.

"Police yesterday also questioned a mother and a grandmother of the two students to find out whether they had warned their children against violence." What a joke!

You're not fooling anyone General.

The grandmother? surely not. This definitely shows signs of desperation.

[chrisinth]

I'll be interested to see what punishment will be dished out to the mother and grandmother of these two idiots.

First time 44 has been used for these crimes, i wonder will this be used to set a precedent for future arrests of students?

[ttthailand]

When I grew up the parents were responsible for the actions of their kids. If the kids broke something the parents paid, if the kids were totally out of control the parents lost custody. This world is going to hell quickly. There is no respect for anyone or control of any kind anymore. Parents are too stupid or too lazy to control their good for nothing kids. I think it is time to do as Israel does with terrorists and hold the family responsible and take or blowup their homes. Make the entire family pay for the terrible upbringing they gave their kids. If this was the case parents would teach their brat kids to behave and terrorists would think twice before putting their family's life's at risk.

[bark]

I'd love to see them prostrated at their victim's feet (when they recover) before spending some time in juvenile detention. They're not really sorry, just sorry they were caught. AND..... Section 44 is bullshit if it's not enforced strongly.

"Police yesterday also questioned a mother and a grandmother of the two students to find out whether they had warned their children against violence." What a joke!

You're not fooling anyone General.

Be careful

[jonesthebaker]

sounds really tought Mr General. Detained for up to 6 hours. No wonder the country is mad house when run by moronic infantile nut jobs. My guess is they read about Brexit and wondered waht all this talk of invoking article 50 was aaobut and decided to invoce one of their own. Hmmm, 44 sounds impressive. Yep, lets invoke that one it will make us look intelligent and worldly!

[sweatalot]

I thought only military can invoke Section 44?

[Brer Fox]

The ever reliable Section 44 seems to be trotted out for just about everything these days.

I wish I had my own personal Section 44 to invoke at home to settle domestic matters which are not to my liking. In my dreams!

[scorecard]

actually this is good, its about time the parents and those that encourage them are charged as well, maybe parents will start to think twice about telling them they can do as they please, parenting is one of the main causes of problems in Thailand because the parents simply let their kids do as they please and never admonish them. Maybe making them responsible financially and with jail time will make them start to take more positive attitudes and teach their children responsibility for their actions as well as respect for others

"...those that encourage them are charged as well..."

I've mentioned before old Thai folks will tell you again and again part of the problem is that some of their teachers egg them on about violence / about committing such acts for the glory of their school.

I also wonder of this is all tangled up with obeying the 'orders' of their seniors / alumni, etc?

Doesn't make any of it OK, but hopefully there will now be better investigation / identification of "...those that encourage...", and punish them severely and if it's teachers not a 500Baht fine.

[connda]

About time to make this a family issue. The kids might not care, but the school aged kid's parents might be a different story.

[kennw]

If the BIB did their job by getting out on the streets instead of sitting in their a/c box or office and waiting for events to come to them things may be different. OR MAYBE NOT!

[swerver]

About time to make this a family issue. The kids might not care, but the school aged kid's parents might be a different story.

It always has been a family issue and in times past 60-years ago when I first came to Thailand when the majority of families lived on the farm together, it operated as the family issue. But since the seveenties Thailand jumped on the NWO Bandwagon and year-after-year progressively worse the family unit has gone to s@#^ by offloading kids raising responsibility having been loaded on the old folk's shoulders who are old, living in the country, with kids parents away in the city, and at their old age no longer capable to deal with the issue. And now Section 44 is adding insult to injury by holding the old folks also responsible in their old age, how ridiculous can it get.

Section 44 is a Band-Aid applying procedure to a hemorrhage were a tunicate is required to stop the bleeding.

Nothing wrong with the laws they have been on the books since Christ was a pup. But like all laws on the book in Thailand they are for the other person, which syndrome is getting worse year-after-year. It is getting so bad that on the 4-lane connector Road on which I live they had to construct a reinforced concrete cemented into the ground (not concrete blocks) barrier in the center to stop vehicles crossing the double solid yellow line.

This is not a Thailand only problem, it is rampant also in the country that demands to rule the world from which Thai people take their cues, because it is Modern.

LOL in LOS. Pls. don't hold your breath for improvements you'll turn blue around the gills.

[captspectre]

what were those "repentent young punks doing with guns in the first place? and the parents?hope the dear leader puts their sorry asses in jail for awhile!

[sanukjim]

For over forty years that I have been here It seems that it is a must for the Technical Schools students to cause harm to other technical schools students any way they can,to include beatings and shootings sometimes causing deaths.If the Thai government would try them as adults sending them to prison it may slow down the violence some but don't forget ,many young people of LOS are cowards who like finding a lone person of another school so they and their friends can get their cowardly hits and kicks on someone. They rarely fight straight up..

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[hdkane]

General...Is there EVER a point in a Thai man's life when HE is responsible? If you would just assign appropriate consequences for behavior, the violence would diminish significantly...

Are your parents responsible for you? Should we contact your schools as well, because your judgment surely seems impaired...

[Dexlowe]

Students in tech colleges would be over 18, right? And so they are regarded as adults? And therefore no longer children under the care of parents?

[dbrenn]

Yet another crackdown

[tuanku]

You wonder if those kids are there to learn something or fight, no wonder the country in in short demand

of qualified professionals in all industry and manufacturing segments, Thai engineers are nothing to write

home about on any given day, and they waste their learning time with endless, stupid and moronic

fights that cost lives.....

If the "real" student population or the peasantry gets to be a problem, the Army may need an uneducated, violent and easily led militia as they did at Thammasat in 1976. The technical colleges are a perfect breeding ground for this type of militia which can do much of the army's dirty work without directly implicating the soldiers or their officers.

Thus while it may be political to control the violence until the time comes, there would be a tactical imperative not to end the system.

[Jonmarleesco]

A law for all weathers. Evidently the RTP can't deal with these delinquents without.

[Dumbastheycome]

About time to make this a family issue. The kids might not care, but the school aged kid's parents might be a different story.

It always has been a family issue and in times past 60-years ago when I first came to Thailand when the majority of families lived on the farm together, it operated as the family issue. But since the seveenties Thailand jumped on the NWO Bandwagon and year-after-year progressively worse the family unit has gone to s@#^ by offloading kids raising responsibility having been loaded on the old folk's shoulders who are old, living in the country, with kids parents away in the city, and at their old age no longer capable to deal with the issue. And now Section 44 is adding insult to injury by holding the old folks also responsible in their old age, how ridiculous can it get.

Section 44 is a Band-Aid applying procedure to a hemorrhage were a tunicate is required to stop the bleeding.

Nothing wrong with the laws they have been on the books since Christ was a pup. But like all laws on the book in Thailand they are for the other person, which syndrome is getting worse year-after-year. It is getting so bad that on the 4-lane connector Road on which I live they had to construct a reinforced concrete cemented into the ground (not concrete blocks) barrier in the center to stop vehicles crossing the double solid yellow line.

This is not a Thailand only problem, it is rampant also in the country that demands to rule the world from which Thai people take their cues, because it is Modern.

LOL in LOS. Pls. don't hold your breath for improvements you'll turn blue around the gills.

"It always has been a family issue and in times past 60-years ago when I first came to Thailand" .

Wow ! Was it fun whippin yah buffalo down to the water hole ?

But I believe you are correct about the source of the modern problem.

It always has been a family issue and in times past 60-years ago when I first came to Thailand