"what Thaksin Had Done Wrong"

[anthos]

36k reported by russian media at least

[ilyushin]

Greed, power hungry and a class act ass. The CNS will never charge him for all the crimes , but if they can get a few solid charges that stick then Doc Tox certainly will never come back. Arrested on arrival , 20-30 years behind bars. History!

5 yrs of no politics is not gonna stop this jerk.

[sriracha john]

Another of the Thaksin Administrations scandals heading to investigations....

Scandals to be probed

Incoming Deputy Public Health Minister Vallop Thaineua will oversee investigations into two of the ministry's biggest corruption scandals.

They surround its Bt900-million computer procurement and Bt340-million ambulance procurement.

"I plan to forward investigation results to an independent committee for review," Vallop said yesterday. "We're looking for well-respected, neutral persons to sit on the committee."

If the results are comprehensive, the investigations can be concluded. If not, the independent committee will investigate further.

"This is to ensure transparency," Vallop said.

Before Vallop followed a political path, he was a respected medical professional. However, in 2004, then-public-health minister and Thai Rak Thai deputy leader Sudarat Keyuraphan transferred him to an inactive post, alleging he had failed to carry out government policies.

After Vallop's transfer, many senior health officials submitted their resignations in support of him. He later hit out at Sudarat over the computer project.

Public Health Minister Mongkol na Songkhla said the investigation results would come out this month.

- The Nation

UPDATE

Probe findings given to NCCC

An investigation into the corruption scandal surrounding the Public Health Ministry's Bt900-million computer procurement project has implicated a politician who was recently stripped of electoral rights, Deputy Public Health Minister Vallop Thaineua said yesterday.

Vallop declined to identify the politician. "But we have forwarded the case to the National Counter Corruption Commission," he said.

Three years ago, Vallop publicly quarrelled with then-public health minister and Thai Rak Thai deputy Sudarat Keyuraphan. After she transferred him from the ministry's permanent secretary job to an inactive post, Vallop accused her of corrupt behaviour in the computer procurement.

Last week, the Constitution Tribunal stripped Sudarat and 110 other Thai Rak Thai executives of electoral rights.

Vallop officially began his post as deputy public health minister on May 8. He has since been ordered to oversee probes into two of the ministry's biggest scandals. These were the Bt900-million computer procurement and Bt340-million ambulance procurement.

On the ambulance-procurement project, Vallop said he asked the investigation committee, headed by Dr Paijit Warachit, to dig deeper to try to find if ambulance specifications were fixed - and who was involved in the process.

Paijit is head of the Medical Sciences Department.

The Office of the Auditor General (OAG) is also looking into the ambulance procurement. Fuangfah Tienpraphasit, a senior official at the OAG, said its probe tion should be completed by July.

- The Nation

[Tony Clifton]

Sudarat must be innocent since she dared to speak out in front of a huge TRT sign no less than 12 hours after the verdict that banned her from politics for 5 years.

Crooks crying for justice.

Edited June 6, 2007 by Tony Clifton

[hammered]

Sudarat must be innocent since she dared to speak out in front of a huge TRT sign no less than 12 hours after the verdict that banned her from politics for 5 years.

Crooks crying for justice.

You really must learn. Nobody in TRT did anything wrong at all. We know becasue they said so. They dont accept any verdicts against them ever. They dont accept any amount of evidence against them. They are the archetypal faith based politicians.

[sriracha john]

Sudarat must be innocent since she dared to speak out in front of a huge TRT sign no less than 12 hours after the verdict that banned her from politics for 5 years.

She's one of only three women on Thaksin's speed-dial... his fat sister... his fat wife... and his fat lackey

Interestingly, not even his mia noi, the Thai singer Mai, is on Thaksin's speed-dial...

[ColPyat]

Sudarat must be innocent since she dared to speak out in front of a huge TRT sign no less than 12 hours after the verdict that banned her from politics for 5 years.

Crooks crying for justice.

You really must learn. Nobody in TRT did anything wrong at all. We know becasue they said so. They dont accept any verdicts against them ever. They dont accept any amount of evidence against them. They are the archetypal faith based politicians.

Does that make them any different from anybody else here?

Many have been responsible for the present mess, if one looks a bit deeper there is damning evidence against many that will never see the light of day. Putting all the blame on TRT, and whitewashing or not even mentioning others, is not an advance, but nothing but an attempt to return to the same old days that have enabled Thaksin to get to power in the first place.

As long as open debate is not possible in Thailand, this whole thing here is an exercise in futility. Limiting the social debate that is going on in Thailand now on what Thaksin has done wrong will give one nothing but a list of the many wrongs of Thaksin, but it will not put them in any historical or social context. An the context here is very important.

[hammered]

Sudarat must be innocent since she dared to speak out in front of a huge TRT sign no less than 12 hours after the verdict that banned her from politics for 5 years.

Crooks crying for justice.

You really must learn. Nobody in TRT did anything wrong at all. We know becasue they said so. They dont accept any verdicts against them ever. They dont accept any amount of evidence against them. They are the archetypal faith based politicians.

Does that make them any different from anybody else here?

Many have been responsible for the present mess, if one looks a bit deeper there is damning evidence against many that will never see the light of day. Putting all the blame on TRT, and whitewashing or not even mentioning others, is not an advance, but nothing but an attempt to return to the same old days that have enabled Thaksin to get to power in the first place.

As long as open debate is not possible in Thailand, this whole thing here is an exercise in futility. Limiting the social debate that is going on in Thailand now on what Thaksin has done wrong will give one nothing but a list of the many wrongs of Thaksin, but it will not put them in any historical or social context. An the context here is very important.

Personally I wouldnt expect them to take all the blame for everything. What I would like to see them do is accept responsibility for their (major) role in what has happened. Something along the lines of "Maybe we could have done things differently", or "Maybe we made mistakes" or "we condemn those in our party who broke the law" etc. Persoanlly I think some credit is now due to Phinij who having left TRT has accepted some responsibility for his actions or inactions as the case may be. We have heard that members of the Dems cringe at some of their actions which were not even illegal. Why do we hear nothing similar from TRT who we now know as a party have broken laws? All we hear is the propoganda out of the PTV sound machine.

If others are stealing, it does not make it right for me to steal and that is no defence.

[ColPyat]

Why do we hear nothing similar from TRT who we now know as a party have broken laws? All we hear is the propoganda out of the PTV sound machine.

If others are stealing, it does not make it right for me to steal and that is no defence.

Actually, we did hear that from TRT.

Chaturon has even said at the eve of the verdict that it is not fair to punish the whole party for the misdeeds of a few. That may not be enough for some, but it is clearly an admission of part responsibility.

Members of the Dems in private cringe about the boycott, not in public though. You would be surprised about how some TRT's in private talk about some of those things. Which i won't get into because i cannot prove any of those private statements, obviously.

Yes, it does not make it right to steal when others steal as well. What though makes it also not right to let others steal, and shift their thefts conveniently on the ones that have stolen somewhere else, and to whom those thefts can be shifted to easily.

The law is supposed to be valid for everyone equally, and not for some more equal than for others.

What we need here is something like a National Reconciliation Commission such as in South Africa, and not court cases. The court cases bring us into an even deeper mess, nobody will say anything of value and will evade issues when punishments are looming. Especially when the court can only deal with a fraction of the incidents, while others are not possible to be dealt with by the courts, and cannot even be investigated.

The crises is just too big, has been going on far too long (of which the Thaksin years have only been the latest installment of a gigantic struggle in Thai society) and involves too many individuals and sectors of society that have too much to lose if anything close to the truth comes out in what i would call an impartial court. We need a fresh start, and not just a band aid that comes off sooner or later.

Edited June 6, 2007 by ColPyat

[sriracha john]

Former Deputy Interior Minister Pramuan Ruchanaseree reported to the AEC on Thursday to hear and defend himself against corruption charges related to a government scheme to purchase rubber saplings.

Pramuan said it was unfair of the AEC to accuse Thaksin's entire cabinet because the then Agriculture Minister Newin Chidchob was solely responsible for the scheme.

"The corruption took place not during cabinet consideration but by people who implemented the project," he alleged.

He raised objections to the scheme in the cabinet meeting but there were no records, he said.

"The Thaksin cabinet meetings were a joke. There was no transparency. There were no signatures of those who attended the meeting, there were no meeting records," he said.

Pramuan is among 90 people, including ministers, permanent officials, and company executives, the AEC has accused of involvement in corruption in the rubber sapling purchase scheme. Six other former ministers are scheduled to hear the charges against them.

- The Nation

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TRT Cabinet ministers ratting out on each other, pointing their figures around at one another and their CEO boss.....

Edited June 8, 2007 by sriracha john

[John K]

I am not exactly sure what thread this best fits in but,

I have noticed a pattern in what Thaksin has been saying. He has been increasingly saying he would return to Thailand when there was a democracy in place. I get the feeling he is laying the foundation for his excuse not to come back when he is called to face the courts. I feel at the moment the courts are fair particularly when HRH made it a point to talk to the judges.

As for the pretext; people who have not been paying close attention to what has been going on in Thailand will react negatively to the word ‘Junta.’ Also assuming the same people have not been paying close attention to Thaksin’s actions while in power. I suspect he is building a layer of deception to build support for his not returning to Thailand when called.

[sriracha john]

AEC may announce decision whether to freeze Thaksin's assets live on TV

The Assets Examination Committee may go live on TV in the evening to announce its decision whether to freeze assets of former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra.

The AEC began a meeting at 1:30 pm to discuss whether to freeze assets of the former prime minister and his family.

Sources said the AEC has informed mobile broadcast units of several TV stations to be on standby to broadcast live its decision.

Khunying Jaruvan Mainthaka, the auditor-general who is on the AEC, told reporters earlier the day that the AEC would have a big news.

- The Nation

[Jai Dee]

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