webfact Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Mexico disappointed at president's meeting with Trump MARK STEVENSON, Associated Press MARIA VERZA, Associated Press MEXICO CITY (AP) — Mexicans responded angrily to what they saw as a weak performance by President Enrique Pena Nieto, who appeared to let Republican presidential candidate DonaldTrump emerge unscathed from a meeting Wednesday. Pena Nieto tried gamely to take the high road and avoid arguing with Trump, who didn't waver an inch in his plans to build a wall along the two countries' border. Trump called Mexican-Americans "spectacular" and "amazing," and Pena Nieto mentioned disagreements and the fact that Mexicans felt "aggrieved," but Mexico's president never did what people here wanted most: demand that Trump apologize for suggesting that many Mexican migrants are rapists or criminals. Mexico security analyst Alejandro Hope called the meeting "a disaster." "Trump didn't alter his positions one little bit," Hope said. "He just dressed them up a little in less incendiary language." Of Pena Nieto, Hope said "in the end, he gave Trump an opportunity to show off, while getting nothing in return. Good work, guys." Trump "came for a photo op and Enrique Pena Nieto allowed himself to be used to benefit his (Trump's) campaign," said columnist Jorge Zepeda. Trump's contention that illegal immigration and the flight of manufacturing jobs were hurting Mexicans too did little to win hearts and minds south of the border. Trump "came to repeat his ideas without negotiating," Mexico City security analyst Raul Benitez said. "What a ridiculous visit." News anchor Carlos Loret de Mola tweeted grimly, "Trump can leave in peace. The humiliation has been carried out." And writer Angeles Mastretta wrote in her Twitter account, "what was expected: a president who isn't capable of demanding apologies ... how sad." On the whole, Mexicans reacted with disappointment and disgust that Trump had even been invited. After all, Mexicans have already made — and beaten to pulp — pinatas of DonaldTrump. They created a video game in which players can throw soccer balls, cactus leaves and tequila bottles at a cartoon image of Trump. But when the man himself came to Mexico, he was treated with kid gloves and given a warm reception at the presidential residence. The damage didn't accrue to Trump, but it may well hurt Pena Nieto, whose popularity is already at an all-time low near 20 percent, according to recent polls. Artist Arturo Meade joined one of the few small protests prior to the meeting with his 2 ½-year old son Mariano, and shook his head in disgust. "This is an insult and a betrayal," Meade said. "What can this meeting bring us, except surrealism in all its splendor?" Former President Vicente Fox told local media that Trump was trying to boost his sagging campaign. "He fooled him (Pena Nieto) ... he's using him to try to recover lost votes." Many Mexicans felt the Republican candidate had left Pena Nieto flat-footed by accepting an invitation the Mexican president had made simply for appearances' sake. The newspaper El Universal wrote in an editorial that Trump "caught Mexican diplomats off guard" by accepting the invitation, and "got one step ahead of them." "They wanted to invite Hillary (Clinton), but that meant inviting both of them and nobody thought Trump would accept first," said Mexico City-based security analyst Alejandro Hope. "What's in it for Mexico? Here there's nothing to gain. The upside is all for Trump." Historically, the golden rule of Mexico's foreign policy has been to avoid being seen as taking sides in U.S. politics; hence the two invitations, even though Mexico favors Hillary Clinton's position on a path to citizenship for migrants. Pena Nieto acknowledged he had invited both candidates, and said he did it because "I believe in dialogue to promote Mexico's interests and above all to protect Mexicans everywhere." Abraham Garnica, 31, who works as an engineer in Mexico City, was left like most Mexicans, scratching his head while trying to think of a reason why Pena Nieto might have agreed to the meeting. "They must be afraid he might win, and so they're saying, 'Just in case, we'll shake his hand," Garnica said. "I myself, I wouldn't have invited him." Yolanda Herrera, a 66-year-old Mexico City housewife, sought glumly to put the best light on what, to many, felt like a national humiliation. "let's hope that ... he sees that he was really wrong about what he said," Herrera said of Trump. "I think this is a display of the fact that we Mexicans are a very sympathetic people." -- © Associated Press 2016-09-01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchClark Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 We have quite a few Mexicans in my region of Colorado. They don't like going back down there due to the violence...when they do go, it is to see their elderly parents/grandparents and they do not bring their children and wives with them. They are the very first to say Mexico is a dangerous place to live...and its because of other Mexicans. Are Trump bashers on TVF Really going to defend Mexico as being no different from our Canadian neighbor to the North? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinBoy2 Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 I'm Hispanic American, I would concur it's an awfully violent place. One thing I would add however is; Mexican's violence is primarily driven by greed, greed driven by Americans insatiable greed for illicit drugs! Stop Americans snorting coke, injecting heroin (or legalize, your choice, I'm pretty agnostic), Mexican drug gangs are out of business in a heartbeat, and by association the violence! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keemapoot Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Yeah, Nieto emerged looking even weaker by not demanding an apology. Political mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankee99 Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 23 minutes ago, GinBoy2 said: I'm Hispanic American, I would concur it's an awfully violent place. One thing I would add however is; Mexican's violence is primarily driven by greed, greed driven by Americans insatiable greed for illicit drugs! Stop Americans snorting coke, injecting heroin (or legalize, your choice, I'm pretty agnostic), Mexican drug gangs are out of business in a heartbeat, and by association the violence! Hopefully a new wall will slow it down. If Mexico secured their southern border that would also help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boon Mee Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Trump showed real leadership by confronting the Mexican president and discussing the viability of a Wall. Payment details to be worked out later... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinBoy2 Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Just now, yankee99 said: Hopefully a new wall will slow it down. If Mexico secured their southern border that would also help When money of the insane quantities drugs generate in the US, walls are pointless. Tunnels, boats, planes...when a Mexican kid with a 5th grade education thinks he can make $$ smuggling drugs across a border, he'll find a way. And while we're talking walls, have any of you actually seen a lot of the terrain on the southwest? there is a reason that there isn't even a fence in a lot of it, just because it's impossible to build there. But why let practicalities get in the way of good speeches! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 30 minutes ago, GinBoy2 said: I'm Hispanic American, I would concur it's an awfully violent place. One thing I would add however is; Mexican's violence is primarily driven by greed, greed driven by Americans insatiable greed for illicit drugs! Stop Americans snorting coke, injecting heroin (or legalize, your choice, I'm pretty agnostic), Mexican drug gangs are out of business in a heartbeat, and by association the violence! The US is not responsible for the violence in Mexico. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinBoy2 Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 1 minute ago, Credo said: The US is not responsible for the violence in Mexico. If that is your fantasy about the Mexican drug war...dream on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 3 minutes ago, GinBoy2 said: If that is your fantasy about the Mexican drug war...dream on! It's not a fantasy. It is tiring of hearing how everything, everywhere is the fault of the US. It's not . It's time for some countries to take some responsibility for themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinBoy2 Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 16 minutes ago, Credo said: It's not a fantasy. It is tiring of hearing how everything, everywhere is the fault of the US. It's not . It's time for some countries to take some responsibility for themselves. Then get the story straight...Mexico is guilty of stealing US jobs since Mexicans earn a fraction of US wages, yet the money generated by the drug trade exceeds the Mexican GDP. So how are all those impoverished Mexican job stealer's, affording the multi million $ drugs the cartels traffic through south and central America to the US. As law enforcement always say...'follow the money' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 I am not a supporter of Trump and I never bought his 'blame the Mexicans' for all the problems in the US. I also don't buy that the US is responsible for all the violence in Mexico. The country is and has been endemic with corruption. Mexico now has a a very weak President who made the decision to meet with a presidential candidate when the President can only negotiate from a position of weakness. Mr. Trump made a smooth, calculated and cunning move. Trumps position is stronger and the Mexican president, and probably the government in general is weaker. (I'd like to see him to take a trip to the Philippines and see how that works out). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarenBravo Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Mexico didn't "steal" any jobs. Let's quit the loaded language of propaganda. Those US companies went to Mexico due to something called "comparative advantage", lower wages. If they didn't go to Mexico, they would have gone to China, or Vietnam. As these companies competitors were already doing the same thing, any company that didn't was heading for failure. That's globalization for you. Unstoppable. Those unskilled manufacturing jobs that Trump wants to bring back? They are gone forever, with, or without NAFTA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boon Mee Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Bottom line boys, this trip was a Huge win for Trump. He came away from the meeting looking very much like a potential POTUS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarenBravo Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 1 minute ago, Boon Mee said: Bottom line boys, this trip was a Huge win for Trump. He came away from the meeting looking very much like a potential POTUS True......but, still no way will he be elected POTUS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchClark Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 2 minutes ago, KarenBravo said: Mexico didn't "steal" any jobs. Let's quit the loaded language of propaganda. Those US companies went to Mexico due to something called "comparative advantage", lower wages. If they didn't go to Mexico, they would have gone to China, or Vietnam. As these companies competitors were already doing the same thing, any company that didn't was heading for failure. That's globalization for you. Unstoppable. Those unskilled manufacturing jobs that Trump wants to bring back? They are gone forever, with, or without NAFTA. I do not disagree but wasn't this exportation of labor made possible by legislation such as NAFTA? There is a song verse which goes something like this, "I am not mad at the man who took our jobs, I am mad at the man who took those jobs away". This cartoon is made by some really clever young guys from my home State. I only add it here because it should make it quite evident you are not saying it correctly. You ca give it an American accent. https://youtube/nWNho8g0lsU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchClark Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 (edited) Edited September 1, 2016 by ClutchClark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajarTheLion Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 1 hour ago, Boon Mee said: Trump showed real leadership by confronting the Mexican president and discussing the viability of a Wall. Payment details to be worked out later... Bingo! This is what leaders do. They get together and open dialogues. This was a definite win for Trump- regardless of how Mexicans feel about Nieto. Nieto is no fool. I can't say I understand his strategy, but will give anyone smart enough to become president of a country the benefit of the doubt since I know little about him. Hillary screeching about Trump going to Mexico from her bunker doesn't help her a bit, in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajarTheLion Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 31 minutes ago, GinBoy2 said: Then get the story straight...Mexico is guilty of stealing US jobs since Mexicans earn a fraction of US wages, yet the money generated by the drug trade exceeds the Mexican GDP. So how are all those impoverished Mexican job stealer's, affording the multi million $ drugs the cartels traffic through south and central America to the US. As law enforcement always say...'follow the money' If one thinks about it, it turns out destroying the Colombian cartels only brought the violence closer to home. Of course, hindsight is always 20/20. And there are other issues, such as methamphetamine. From what I have read, the Sinaloa cartel has a recipe that cheaply produces meth of 90% purity and can afford to flood the US market where the big demand is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchClark Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 1 minute ago, MajarTheLion said: If one thinks about it, it turns out destroying the Colombian cartels only brought the violence closer to home. Of course, hindsight is always 20/20. And there are other issues, such as methamphetamine. From what I have read, the Sinaloa cartel has a recipe that cheaply produces meth of 90% purity and can afford to flood the US market where the big demand is. Drugs are big business and Fortune 500 type corporate decisions are the method of operstion.. The mexicans were long responsible for the transport end but had an interest in consolidating to include manufacture for a very long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajarTheLion Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Just now, ClutchClark said: Drugs are big business and Fortune 500 type corporate decisions are the method of operstion.. The mexicans were long responsible for the transport end but had an interest in consolidating to include manufacture for a very long time. Excellent point. And the manufacture of methamphetamine may have easily gotten the situation to or close to what it is today in Mexico, regardless of stomping on the cartels in Colombia. And it's not like we've eliminated them. It simply appears we've softened them up a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotwight Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 2 hours ago, GinBoy2 said: I'm Hispanic American, I would concur it's an awfully violent place. One thing I would add however is; Mexican's violence is primarily driven by greed, greed driven by Americans insatiable greed for illicit drugs! Stop Americans snorting coke, injecting heroin (or legalize, your choice, I'm pretty agnostic), Mexican drug gangs are out of business in a heartbeat, and by association the violence! Nonsense. Try reading and becoming informed. http://www.insightcrime.org/news-analysis/report-tracks-new-cocaine-routes-into-europe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaidream Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Donald Trump's assertion that building a wall between the US and Mexico will stop illegal immigration is a fantasy and utter ignorance. The Us will spend billions under a Trump presidency on walls and deportations instead of using the same money to improve the lives of poor and middle class Americans by providing real health care; forcing Big Pharma to cut prices by allowing drug imports and providing free college education. Trump represents everyting that is wrong in America by using racism and illegal immigration as a strawman and playing to the fears and prejudices of unschooled Americans. A vote for Trump would be a vote for ignorance and a vote for big business and the 1% who are stealing the money from the 99%. Do not be fooled by this man who cares nothing for the downtrodden but cares plenty for his own pocket. This is the same man who used the eminent domain laws to force an elderly women in Atlantic City to sell her property so he could build a parking lot for his Casino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usernames Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 2 hours ago, GinBoy2 said: I'm Hispanic American, I would concur it's an awfully violent place. One thing I would add however is; Mexican's violence is primarily driven by greed, greed driven by Americans insatiable greed for illicit drugs! Stop Americans snorting coke, injecting heroin (or legalize, your choice, I'm pretty agnostic), Mexican drug gangs are out of business in a heartbeat, and by association the violence! The drug trade has been around for decades and decades. What changed Mexico was Nafta. It allowed large American agribusiness to go into Mexico and making Mexican peasant farming unsustainable, essentially dispossessing them. Nafta not only fueled US companies exit to Mexico but also caused subsequently unemployed and low wage Mexicans to flood the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ireland32 Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 3 hours ago, ClutchClark said: We have quite a few Mexicans in my region of Colorado. They don't like going back down there due to the violence...when they do go, it is to see their elderly parents/grandparents and they do not bring their children and wives with them. They are the very first to say Mexico is a dangerous place to live...and its because of other Mexicans. Are Trump bashers on TVF Really going to defend Mexico as being no different from our Canadian neighbor to the North? They don't bring their wives and children, absolute Nonsense... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchClark Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Thaidream said: Donald Trump's assertion that building a wall between the US and Mexico will stop illegal immigration is a fantasy and utter ignorance. The Us will spend billions under a Trump presidency on walls and deportations instead of using the same money to improve the lives of poor and middle class Americans by providing real health care; forcing Big Pharma to cut prices by allowing drug imports and providing free college education. Trump represents everyting that is wrong in America by using racism and illegal immigration as a strawman and playing to the fears and prejudices of unschooled Americans. A vote for Trump would be a vote for ignorance and a vote for big business and the 1% who are stealing the money from the 99%. Do not be fooled by this man who cares nothing for the downtrodden but cares plenty for his own pocket. This is the same man who used the eminent domain laws to force an elderly women in Atlantic City to sell her property so he could build a parking lot for his Casino. Do you have a fence around your property? Fences combined with natural geographic features work quite well. Edited September 1, 2016 by ClutchClark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 It appears that this thread is drifting pretty far off-topic. Please stick to the discussion of the relationship with Trump and Mexico and those issues closely related to the situation as outlined in the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamgeorgeallen Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 is it normal for possible future presidents to already be visiting foreign presidents? seemed a strange move but looks like it was a win for trump. cant wait to see what happens if he gets in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailand Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Certainly proves one thing, the current President of Mexico does not deserve to be there and he just blew what little cred he had left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iReason Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 (edited) The Bloviator spewing utter nonsense again. Actually, lies. Again. Mexican president disputes Trump over border wall payment discussion "Donald Trump flew into a nation he has constantly berated during his campaign to meet President Enrique Peña Nieto and said they discussed a wall Trump has vowed to build on the US southern border, but not his demand that Mexico pay for it -- an assertion the Mexican president later disputed." "We did discuss the wall. We didn't discuss payment of the wall. That'll be for a later date. Trump said." "At the start of the conversation with Donald Trump, I made it clear that Mexico will not pay for the wall," Peña Nieto tweeted, after their meeting Wednesday. http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/30/politics/donald-trump-enrique-pea-nieto-mexico/ Donald Trump’s Mexico visit ends with Mexico disputing his comments https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/08/31/donald-trump-says-he-didnt-ask-mexico-to-pay-for-the-wall-that-makes-no-sense/ As usual, and once again, the Bloviator is F.O.S. Edited September 1, 2016 by iReason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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