20-year plan is 'foundation and pillars' for democracy: PM Prayut

[webfact]

20-year plan is 'foundation and pillars' for democracy: PM

THE NATION 

 

 

BANGKOK: -- PRIME MINISTER Prayut Chan-o-cha said yesterday that his government’s 20-year national strategic plan was necessary to prepare Thailand to become a democracy under international standards.

 

He said the plan would serve as the foundation and pillars in rebuilding the country for the future. GeneralPrayut said he expected that the new government to be formed after the next election would follow the strategic plan laid out by his administration, although it was unlikely to be implemented in its entirety.

"We are doing the strategic plan for reform over the next 20 years. This is preparation for the country to become an international democracy," he said.

"Many people want the country to become an international democracy and to look good in the eyes of the world community. But are we ready yet? We were ready in the past but the whole thing almost collapsed. "Today we need to rebuild our home and our country for the future ... there are no houses built without pillars. We need to have the foundation too."

Prayut, who heads the National Council for Peace and Order, was giving an address on the national and military strategies for the 20-year period from 2017 at the National Defence College.

His audience included students from the National Defence College, Joint Staff College, Royal Thai Army War College, Naval War College, and Air War College.

The PM said that the plan was initiated by not just military figures but also civilians. "We have to build trust among civilians, police and the military. We are all Thais and we need to work together," he said. 

He said that the country's problems have accumulated over a long time and his government was focusing on tackling political problems, particularly involving conflict. "We all know well what the problem is, and its cause, but we can't work together due to a lack of unity," he said.

 

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/20-year-plan-is-foundation-and-pillars-for-democra-30294329.html

 

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[shirtless]

Your 20 year plan will be forgotten in a week. Democracy has been dead in Thailand for years.

[Somtamnication]

Pillars built by Thais? I'll stay in my cave; safer!

[Anythingleft?]

Look to not so distant countries such as Singapore which has thrived and grown extensively, why? because they saw that the root of all their problems was corruption which they systematically stamped out without a care for the bellowing of other nations about how they were doing it. These nations now hold Singapore up on a plinth as a beacon for themselves to aspire to unfortunately they don't have the strength to carry out the necessary actions to get the deeds done

[canuckamuck]

I hope that somewhere in this 20 year plan is a phase where the military is sent to its proper place of being under the authority of the government and subject to the constitution. Rather than the opposite. 

 

 

[BigBadGeordie]

If you look back in history there have been mamy leaders who have developed 5/10/20 year plans Stalin and Mao Tse-tung, as examples, and history again has shown us how well these turned out. Estimates regarding the costs of these failures vary, but run into billions of dollars and millions of lives, along with the associated destruction of human rights.

 

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

                                    George Santayana

Edited September 2, 2016 by BigBadGeordie
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[Wilsonandson]

Build the foundations they certainly have been doing.

Nice little earner. Another 20 years and we'll be billionaires!

[taichiplanet]

seems to be implying that they will stay in power for at least 20 years? Which is the only way this 20 year plan would be fully implemented. Obviously they are fairly confident that they will get the majority of 'votes' for the next 20 years!

[JAG]

1 hour ago, Wilsonandson said:

Build the foundations they certainly have been doing.

Nice little earner. Another 20 years and we'll be billionaires!

Wise investors all.

[yellowboat]

3 hours ago, Anythingleft? said:

Look to not so distant countries such as Singapore which has thrived and grown extensively, why? because they saw that the root of all their problems was corruption which they systematically stamped out without a care for the bellowing of other nations about how they were doing it. These nations now hold Singapore up on a plinth as a beacon for themselves to aspire to unfortunately they don't have the strength to carry out the necessary actions to get the deeds done

You are correct, but Taiwan is a much better model and it faces stiffer challenges than Singapore.  The Singapore example is tiresome and it deserves much less praise than Taiwan and the Taiwanese people.  Taiwan has true universal suffrage, industry and forbidding diplomatic challenges.   And they have better food than Singapore.  Almost as good as Thailand !   Taiwan is a homegrown, Chinese democracy.

Edited September 2, 2016 by yellowboat

[maoro2013]

41 minutes ago, taichiplanet said:

seems to be implying that they will stay in power for at least 20 years? Which is the only way this 20 year plan would be fully implemented. Obviously they are fairly confident that they will get the majority of 'votes' for the next 20 years!

I agree entirely. Even if an election is eventually called, the failure to implement the 20 year plan would be a a trigger to re implement martial law.

 

Great?? Where is this all headed?

[klauskunkel]

4 hours ago, webfact said:

This is preparation for the country to become an international democracy

says the expert on "International Democracy"

 

"We are all Thais and we need to work together," he said. "But do not wear any Bikinis while working together!"
 

[DoctorG]

4 hours ago, webfact said:

GeneralPrayut said he expected that the new government to be formed after the next election would follow the strategic plan laid out by his administration, although it was unlikely to be implemented in its entirety.

 

This is the key section. The only way he would have such an expectation is if the election is rigged to ensure only his followers could be in power.

 

[williamgeorgeallen]

3 hours ago, Somtamnication said:

Pillars built by Thais? I'll stay in my cave; safer!

as long as there is a phone number to call when the cracks start showing. democracy is a western concept. has about as much chance of working here as it did in iraq. 20 coups in 80 years. how many more over the next 20 years? army certainly seems very well entrenched this time but wait till the next 'election' not even sure i can use the word election, maybe appointment would be a better word. reds are not just going to take this lying down. dont see any other outcome but more violence.

[Srikcir]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

that his government’s 20-year national strategic plan was necessary to prepare Thailand to become a democracy under international standards.

It only took the Japanese 3 months to become a democratic monarchy in 1945. But then they had foreign assistance.

[Eric Loh]

Outlawing coup as treasonous in the constitution would be a huge step towards laying the foundation and pillars for democracy and is international standard.

[smedly]

2 hours ago, BigBadGeordie said:

If you look back in history there have been mamy leaders who have developed 5/10/20 year plans Stalin and Mao Tse-tung, as examples, and history again has shown us how well these turned out. Estimates regarding the costs of these failures vary, but run into billions of dollars and millions of lives, along with the associated destruction of human rights.

 

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

                                    George Santayana

every democracy in the west has been a work in progress for much longer than 20 years, they all started in much the same way with a solid foundation to build on, some have done well and others like Europe with the EU are going backwards, this is what Thailand needs but it needs to be done right, the examples you gave were nothing to do with democracy - why you used them I have no clue

 

As already mentioned Thailand needs to seriously deal with corruption and greed - that is the only way forward, looking back is pointless as we already know how it was played out, many involved are now stupidly rich and the rest are in the que to do the same - the cycle needs to stop and that will take some serious doing 

Edited September 2, 2016 by smedly

[Plutojames88]

A duck on a pond has a better prognosis than this audacious military Government of survival.

Unless they flee.

 

I doubt many will go to trial.

Though we can hope.

 

Most will die brutal horrible deaths at the hands of the masses they now currently oppress.

[Emster23]

"We were ready in the past but the whole thing almost collapsed "

No "almost" about it, imo. Ever consider that the military coups had something to do with collapse of fledgling democracy? Nah....

[Anythingleft?]

39 minutes ago, yellowboat said:

You are correct, but Taiwan is a much better model and it faces stiffer challenges than Singapore.  The Singapore example is tiresome and it deserves much less praise than Taiwan and the Taiwanese people.  Taiwan has true universal suffrage, industry and forbidding diplomatic challenges.   And they have better food than Singapore.  Almost as good as Thailand !   Taiwan is a homegrown, Chinese democracy.

Singapore was a slightly different model whereby Lee Kuan Yew and the PAP stamped out corruption and poor dealings through dealing with the people caught quite brutally going against all human rights (the bellowing of other nations) he never faltered and within a few years investments for the country in the industrial and shipping sectors came steadily and grew to the huge success that they have today

Taiwan was funded by the USA in the 60's and 70's by way of billions of dollars and has a slightly different model of how they achieved what they have to date through a lot of external assistance

[Srikcir]

12 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Outlawing coup as treasonous

Didn't work with the 2007 Constitution under Part 13, “Right to Protect the Constitution,” Article 68 nor under Organic  Law, Article 113 of the Criminal Code.  So long as an unelected and unaccountable segment of Thai society can force its ideology onto the populace, treason is only a tool to be used to silence opponents. 

[AlQaholic]

4 hours ago, shirtless said:

Your 20 year plan will be forgotten in a week. Democracy has been dead in Thailand for years.

I think there was a brief period of democracy just after the WWII, mebe a few months or so.....

 

The Prime Minister of Thailand........

"Prayut has stated publicly that he consults a fortune teller, Warin Buawiratlert, regularly. He said there was no harm in seeking advice. When suffering from fever and aches early in his premiership, he blamed his ills on spells cast by his political enemies and combated the malady with holy water.

According to the Bangkok Post, Prayut has a collection of lucky rings which he varies daily in accordance with that day's activities. He also wears an elephant hair bracelet to ward off bad luck."

Edited September 2, 2016 by AlQaholic

[jcsmith]

Just another excuse to hold on to power.

[Eric Loh]

7 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

Didn't work with the 2007 Constitution under Part 13, “Right to Protect the Constitution,” Article 68 nor under Organic  Law, Article 113 of the Criminal Code.  So long as an unelected and unaccountable segment of Thai society can force its ideology onto the populace, treason is only a tool to be used to silence opponents. 

 

Think of it, really pointless to have treason in the constitution as it can be shredded just like past 20 constitutions and Article 44 trounced any laws. So what the junta PM promise of democracy is just his usual verbal diarrhea. 

[smedly]

50 minutes ago, Plutojames88 said:

A duck on a pond has a better prognosis than this audacious military Government of survival.

Unless they flee.

 

I doubt many will go to trial.

Though we can hope.

 

Most will die brutal horrible deaths at the hands of the masses they now currently oppress.

can't wait to see this massive revolution your going to lead that you keep going on about, did you have a dream last night, have you sought professional help..........up the (one man) revolution......on pluto perhaps 

[Thailand]

Based on past experiences and  the premise that doing the same thing over and over again produces the same result over and over again the next twenty years will likely see 3 more coups and as many new constitutions.

[Winniedapu]

20-year plan is 'foundation and pillars' for democracy

 

 

And there we have it. Finally.

 

Excellent. Civil war guaranteed now. Without it, Thailand will sink without trace with 18 more years of this lot.

 

The truth will always out, so much for all the denials...

 

Winnie

Edited September 2, 2016 by Winniedapu

[smedly]

49 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

Didn't work with the 2007 Constitution under Part 13, “Right to Protect the Constitution,” Article 68 nor under Organic  Law, Article 113 of the Criminal Code.  So long as an unelected and unaccountable segment of Thai society can force its ideology onto the populace, treason is only a tool to be used to silence opponents. 

silence opponents lol

 

when an elected government is openly taking the country down the shitter I call that a just cause as has happened many times over, instructing the police to stay away while there is murder on the streets including children, the formation of red army training camps, threat of dividing the country and forming a new capital in the north - it really could not have gotten much worse and all for one mans face saving drive to exhonorate himself and wipe his convictions under the carpet in the name of ..... what ? justice lol - I say in the name of extreme evil of the worst kind - retribution and revenge

[phycokiller]

the root of the problem isnt corruption, most Thais think its a good thing anyway. the problem is lack of education. its pointless trying to make Thailand, or any country, a democracy without having a population that has at least a vague clue what they are voting for. the west should forget about forcing Thailand to be a democracy and intervene in their education system. democracy will come naturally when people are educated enough to understand what its about

 

even in the west democracy is barely working because large parts of the population live in tinfoil hat land and believe whatever the man tells them to believe if he talks to them like 5 year olds

Edited September 2, 2016 by phycokiller

[smedly]

8 minutes ago, Thailand said:

Based on past experiences and  the premise that doing the same thing over and over again produces the same result over and over again the next twenty years will likely see 3 more coups and as many new constitutions.

but that's just it - it won't

 

what is going on here now has never happened before, have they learned something from the past - just maybe