Government Schools Contract, Pattaya.

[Robski]

Can anyone give me info on who has won the contract for supplying English teachers to the government schools in Pattaya.

The contract is tendered on a yearly basis and has been in process over the last month or so.

I'm being told there is no clear winner at the moment, even though it should have been announced last week.

I can't rely on the sources that i'm getting the info from for two reasons, 1. TIT and 2. Pattaya has a limited number of vacncies and a lot of competition for those vacancies.

Thanks.

[Robski]

Just as a reply to my own thread, I've been told that the the contract will now be awarded in mid January, can't say why although there is some speculation. Meanwhile there are no English teachers in the government schools in Pattaya, which is not good for the schoolkids and not very good for English education.

[PeaceBlondie]

So, if they are now saying they might award the contract in January, does that mean all the govt. school kids in Pattaya will have had no native speaking teachers of English for November, December, and January? If that were the case, isn't it likely to just be delayed until the new school year in early May?

[Robski]

Yes it would seem likely that the kids could miss out on 6 months of teaching, although the company that gets the contract and the teachers that are hired would be more than willing by January to start work.

[otherstuff1957]

Here's a radical idea... Why not just let the schools hire their own teachers rather than pay 30%-50% of the money allocated to an agency?

[Loaded]

Here's a radical idea... Why not just let the schools hire their own teachers rather than pay 30%-50% of the money allocated to an agency?

The problem is many of these schools don't know hao to connect to farang teachers and the teachers don't know how to connect with the schools. A gap filled by agencies. If the government created some sort of job centre acting as agencies do now they would be able to meet the demands of the schools more effectively and have more control over the teachers employed in government schools. However...

[idle44mins]

City Hall Pattaya collapsed the bidding, because the 2 or 3 bidders couldn't really cope with the demands: at least 15 teachers with a work permit should be available.

In January/February there will be a new bidding procedure. Problem will be even bigger, because the teachers involved are working at other places by now.

[PeaceBlondie]

Hey, that's clever: are you saying that the city government, in the bidding process that it offered to the agencies, insisted that the winning bid must have 15 teachers who ALREADY have work permits? If so, that's a catch 22, because the work permit specifies the exact location, right?

Or, that the winning bid could only place teachers who would have WP's? But agencies are notorious for not getting WP's within the first few months, if ever.

[idle44mins]

Uhm yes PB, a work permit specifies the exact location, but working for an agency may imply: working in companiews, different schools and maybe at the agency's home base.

And yes PB, the city hall asks for 15 wp-teachers, not teachers who are able to obtain a wp after some time.

[otherstuff1957]

OK, now correct me if I am wrong, but schools - and most of the bigger agencies are registered as private schools - are exempt from the 4 Thai's to 1 Farang rule, BUT can only get one WP per MOE approved classroom.

So, if I am correct, the winning agency must have 15 classrooms with 15 teachers, all with TLs and WPs.

P.S.: That's a good idea Loaded.

[TerryLH]

("The problem is many of these schools don't know hao to connect to farang teachers and the teachers don't know how to connect with the schools.")

For some reason I find this funny.

A match made in heaven.

[scousebobby]

I really don't know were people got their information from but there ain't a single bit that was right.

It's this simple people don't tender for the contracts in january they tender with the new budget for city hall. Pattaya city schools would not under any circumstances leave there 10 schools without at least a part-time teacher. School number 9 (Pontisampan) employs it's own teacher who is a close friend of mine.

THe contract over 2 years ago was awarded to ECC the boss Khun Malika who had a good team of foreigners me not included i work for a private school. English World came in and won the contract which was a bad choice in my book as ther claibre of teachers who i meet were not experienced (backpackers) to be honest it was like the film set forstar-wars. The working conditions were bad no holidays, no pay for sick leave and no photo-copying worksheets. The guy who liased with the teachers for English world Tom was nice enough but 2 guys Andy & Sven were both <deleted> and looked like back stabbers to me treating their teachers like crap. also the teachers didn't stay in the same school e.g in themorning school number 3 and then the afternoon school number etc.

Remember Pattaya city has to invest in foreign teachers as English is the administration language, it's a tourist city, they have to be seen spending thier budget so they get allocated the same or more the next year, & plus iknow thats how it is cause i work here.

Doea that cover your question even though I'm posting late

[bungy007]

OK, now correct me if I am wrong, but schools - and most of the bigger agencies are registered as private schools - are exempt from the 4 Thai's to 1 Farang rule, BUT can only get one WP per MOE approved classroom.

So, if I am correct, the winning agency must have 15 classrooms with 15 teachers, all with TLs and WPs.

P.S.: That's a good idea Loaded.

Is that right? Schools don't have to employ 4 Thais for a work permit? I ask as I have opened my own school and am the only full time teacher employed by it. I have a work permit and was told last year that I now had to employ 4 thais to get my wp renewed this year (and to provide photos). Having said that, there was some kind of cock up on the issue of the original wp and my main business was put down as import export rather than the school. Can I get out of this and stop paying the social fund for 4 supposedly full time Thai employees? Really need some guidance with this chaps.

cheers

[TerryLH]

"Having said that, there was some kind of cock up on the issue of the original wp and my main business was put down as import export rather than the school."

That sounds like you might be working illegally. Why not contact the WP office and get it straightened out?

[twschw]

OK, now correct me if I am wrong, but schools - and most of the bigger agencies are registered as private schools - are exempt from the 4 Thai's to 1 Farang rule, BUT can only get one WP per MOE approved classroom.

So, if I am correct, the winning agency must have 15 classrooms with 15 teachers, all with TLs and WPs.

P.S.: That's a good idea Loaded.

Is that right? Schools don't have to employ 4 Thais for a work permit? I ask as I have opened my own school and am the only full time teacher employed by it. I have a work permit and was told last year that I now had to employ 4 thais to get my wp renewed this year (and to provide photos). Having said that, there was some kind of cock up on the issue of the original wp and my main business was put down as import export rather than the school. Can I get out of this and stop paying the social fund for 4 supposedly full time Thai employees? Really need some guidance with this chaps.

cheers

You realize don't you that you are replying to a 3 year old thread.

[bungy007]

OK, now correct me if I am wrong, but schools - and most of the bigger agencies are registered as private schools - are exempt from the 4 Thai's to 1 Farang rule, BUT can only get one WP per MOE approved classroom.

So, if I am correct, the winning agency must have 15 classrooms with 15 teachers, all with TLs and WPs.

P.S.: That's a good idea Loaded.

Is that right? Schools don't have to employ 4 Thais for a work permit? I ask as I have opened my own school and am the only full time teacher employed by it. I have a work permit and was told last year that I now had to employ 4 thais to get my wp renewed this year (and to provide photos). Having said that, there was some kind of cock up on the issue of the original wp and my main business was put down as import export rather than the school. Can I get out of this and stop paying the social fund for 4 supposedly full time Thai employees? Really need some guidance with this chaps.

cheers

You realize don't you that you are replying to a 3 year old thread.

Err - missed that one! Three years is a mighty long time out here. Thanks for filling me in. Already talked to the WP office and they said no problem about the WP snafu as they issued it (between WP office and Sun belt Asia Pattaya) - we just have to produce some paperwork which we are sorting out.