Enoon Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 11 hours ago, Opl said: European natives - autochtones - simply want to stay majority in their home country - region - city - village - neighborhood , etc This is a normal political demand. This is not just a far-right claim. A demand that is impossible, for anyone, to satisfy. The relentless and eternal migration of humanity ensures that...... 1.75 million years and counting. It would mean "freezing" History. The absurd notion of a civilisation that thinks everything can be "fixed" (socially/economically/materially) and remain in an ideal (their ideal) stasis. The sort of notion that presages the collapse of empires and civilisations. It can't be helped.......it's History. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoon Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 11 hours ago, BuckBee said: next german election will be fun :-) I think most germans would be glad of a Gexit lol . EU will be desolved in time, buffoonary immigration policy & money pits like Greece have spoiled the romance & dream. much like a wealthy EU male with his young isan bride lol . Yes Germany, do it now, Gotterdamerung, bring it all down around your ears. Blessed, holy, self-immolation! It is the destiny of Germany, it's eternal sub-conscious desire, to return to the forests and the huts, to the swamps! And please, please take us with you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saradoc1972 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Yes Germany, do it now, Gotterdamerung, bring it all down around your ears.More or less what I make of the funny-going-ons since last year. Götterdämmerung, apocalypse now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 16 hours ago, Saradoc1972 said: I like the uneducated non-immigrants better. They maybe rabble, but they are our rabble. <snip>. A decision which will end in tears Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stander Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 The distance between Muslims and Europeans is getting larger and larger and the pretension of integrating dissipates, as the number grows larger. Islam does not compromise and it will destroy Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Clash is indeed the correct word to use, the clash of civilizations is upon us. The internationalist left has tried its best to control the news flow and silence dissent, but I predict events are starting to overwhelm them. Things are likely to get much worse before they get better.Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roobaa01 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 there is no muslim integration into german society, at best an arm length of respect by the educated ones. wbrroobaa01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtRock Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 35 minutes ago, simple1 said: A decision which will end in tears It will certainly end in tears. Just not in the way you imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roobaa01 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 1 hour ago, SgtRock said: It will certainly end in tears. Just not in the way you imagine. 1 hour ago, SgtRock said: It will certainly end in tears. Just not in the way you imagine. yes civil war in germany, france, sweden simultaneously,.....for the uk ?? cheers roobaa01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saradoc1972 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 2 hours ago, roobaa01 said: there is no muslim integration into german society, at best an arm length of respect by the educated ones. wbrroobaa01 No, some 20 % are doing very much alright, some more 25% are doing OK. As far as Muslims go Germany hasn't had it so bad with the Turks. Just there happen to be 25% downright scum that drag the rest down with them. Just with what the cat dragged in just now, the saying about the rotten apple and the barrel doesn't seem to it justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roobaa01 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 @Saradoc1972 pls advise the source for your figures ??? wbr roobaa011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saradoc1972 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 @Saradoc1972 pls advise the source for your figures ???I am afraid this is pure gut feeling, written it somewhere before with a bit more fleshing out.And it's of course backed by me being German, from a town with over 12% Turks, having done legal work, and having read the relevant literature by Sarrazin, Buschkowski, Kambouri, and Wendt.There also used to be some sort of statistics up to 2012 by the federal agency for migration, for what's that worth. Similar outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mesterm Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 22 hours ago, swanny321 said: I think attitudes have changed since the Brexit wake-up call! Good if it actually has. The Swedes still seems to love their Muslims though. Maybe they should all convert since it's such a "beautiful" faith? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roobaa01 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 @saradoc1972 never mind lets take a different view angle , 50.000 turks marching german streets scanting : turkey, turkey, erdogan, erdogan, allah alakubar , waving turish flag. they are organized in 80 different turkish clubs. after having a history of 50 years in germany, do you call that as a native german integration ??? cheers roobaa01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xircal Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 12 hours ago, stander said: The distance between Muslims and Europeans is getting larger and larger and the pretension of integrating dissipates, as the number grows larger. Islam does not compromise and it will destroy Europe. Islam has been around for generations and we've all lived happily together before. The problem this time around is the fundamentalist extremist view which seeks to exploit the difference between religious beliefs for their own warped ends. Most Muslims are peaceful people. Imams came out in force to show their support for the French community who's local priest was beheaded by extremists just recently. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/07/muslims-pray-catholics-french-priest-murder-160731131924563.html The Mayor of Rotterdam is a Moroccan and a Muslim and has even been tipped to become a Prime Minister of the country. He's often been interviewed for his views and has spoken out against Muslims who want to promote extremism telling them during a televised interview last year to accept Dutch values or to <deleted> off. There's no gap between Muslims and Europeans; there's only the extremist view which tries to exploit those gullible enough to believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swanny321 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 2 hours ago, Xircal said: Islam has been around for generations and we've all lived happily together before. The problem this time around is the fundamentalist extremist view which seeks to exploit the difference between religious beliefs for their own warped ends. I'd have to disagree with you there.Although I'm sure there have been Caliphates and Sultanates which treated other religions well; albeit as second class citizens.There are 3 elements that didn't exist in the past; these being: Petroleum-oil Technology-flight/bombs Israel - Zionism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Israel Truth of the matter is we are experiencing a process of displacement via geo-political social engineering; in short - the so-called migrant crisis.The key reason for this is amalgamating the 'livestock' (interbreeding) in order to ensure a healthy workforce in the future.Nothing to do with mind control - religions; everything to do with the Elite/CoI/0.01% tending the flock! Eureka! Now you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swanny321 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 8 hours ago, mesterm said: Good if it actually has. The Swedes still seems to love their Muslims though. Maybe they should all convert since it's such a "beautiful" faith? They've converted to something much more insidious than Islam! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stander Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 6 hours ago, Xircal said: Islam has been around for generations and we've all lived happily together before. The problem this time around is the fundamentalist extremist view which seeks to exploit the difference between religious beliefs for their own warped ends. Most Muslims are peaceful people. Imams came out in force to show their support for the French community who's local priest was beheaded by extremists just recently. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/07/muslims-pray-catholics-french-priest-murder-160731131924563.html The Mayor of Rotterdam is a Moroccan and a Muslim and has even been tipped to become a Prime Minister of the country. He's often been interviewed for his views and has spoken out against Muslims who want to promote extremism telling them during a televised interview last year to accept Dutch values or to <deleted> off. There's no gap between Muslims and Europeans; there's only the extremist view which tries to exploit those gullible enough to believe it. Prior to the early eighties Muslims lived peacefully in the UK and Europe. Then following the Iranian Revolution and the spread of Wahhabism sponsored by millions of dollars of Saudi oil money and with the cooperation of the political elite the demand for power from Islamists has grown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swanny321 Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 3 hours ago, stander said: Prior to the early eighties Muslims lived peacefully in the UK and Europe. Dream on! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1993321/posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 10 minutes ago, swanny321 said: Dream on! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1993321/posts Most of these events have nothing to do with religion. You can make a much longer list of terrorist activities committed by Christians. Just as meaningless as your list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swanny321 Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 57 minutes ago, stevenl said: Most of these events have nothing to do with religion. Would that be the list entitled: Chronological List of Islamic Terrorist Attacks, 1968 - 2004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 19 minutes ago, swanny321 said: Would that be the list entitled: Chronological List of Islamic Terrorist Attacks, 1968 - 2004 No discussion possible if you refer to the same nonsense sgain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xircal Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 6 hours ago, stander said: Prior to the early eighties Muslims lived peacefully in the UK and Europe. Then following the Iranian Revolution and the spread of Wahhabism sponsored by millions of dollars of Saudi oil money and with the cooperation of the political elite the demand for power from Islamists has grown. Iran is predominently Shia while Wahhabism is a branch of Sunni Islam. The two are vehemently opposed to each other. You can link Saudi Arabia with Wahhabism but not Iran. What has led to the expansionism of fundamentalist Islam is the breakdown in law and order in Iraq. After Bush authorized the invasion of Iraq to topple Saddam Hussein on the pretext that he was developing WMD - in reality to divert attention from himself and his failed domestic policies - the US disbanded the Iraqi army. Several of Saddam's military commanders formed their own allegiances which led ultimately to the formation of the group we know today as ISIS. One of them, Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri was killed in Iraq last year: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-32347036 With military commanders such as al-Douri in the driving seat it's hardly surprising that ISIS has become the force it is today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 The current troubles have been caused by three things IMO. 1) Western countries carrying out wars (covertly or directly) in Moslem countries 2) Western countries not demanding that those who immigrated conformed to the main Western 'norms'. 3) The EU open borders policy that resulted in those from poor countries moving to wealthier countries. The first resulted in the onset of radicalism against the West, the second and third annoyed the indigenous population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stander Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 15 minutes ago, Xircal said: Iran is predominently Shia while Wahhabism is a branch of Sunni Islam. The two are vehemently opposed to each other. You can link Saudi Arabia with Wahhabism but not Iran. What has led to the expansionism of fundamentalist Islam is the breakdown in law and order in Iraq. After Bush authorized the invasion of Iraq to topple Saddam Hussein on the pretext that he was developing WMD - in reality to divert attention from himself and his failed domestic policies - the US disbanded the Iraqi army. Several of Saddam's military commanders formed their own allegiances which led ultimately to the formation of the group we know today as ISIS. One of them, Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri was killed in Iraq last year: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-32347036 With military commanders such as al-Douri in the driving seat it's hardly surprising that ISIS has become the force it is today. Yes, Iran is predominantly Shia and Saudi Arabia with their theology of Wahhabi/Deobandi is predominantly Sunni. They despised each other, but the one thing they have in common is that they both promote an ideology of hatred and oppression, which is nothing more than medieval clerical opinion with its 7th Century barbarism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opl Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 (edited) I'd say number 1 cause is HATE those who carry on terror attacks, do it first because they hate us for what we are in "western countries" , more than because of our actions in muslim countries. - "those" includes people of any ethnic origine and faith (you'll find newly converted among them as well as people of muslim culture and faith) -" we" includes people of any ethnic origine and faith ( you'll find muslims among the victims also ) The worst being that " those" already live among us, can be very young, women... someone you would never expect Edited September 18, 2016 by Opl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xircal Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 11 hours ago, swanny321 said: I'd have to disagree with you there.Although I'm sure there have been Caliphates and Sultanates which treated other religions well; albeit as second class citizens.There are 3 elements that didn't exist in the past; these being: Petroleum-oil Technology-flight/bombs Israel - Zionism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Israel Truth of the matter is we are experiencing a process of displacement via geo-political social engineering; in short - the so-called migrant crisis.The key reason for this is amalgamating the 'livestock' (interbreeding) in order to ensure a healthy workforce in the future.Nothing to do with mind control - religions; everything to do with the Elite/CoI/0.01% tending the flock! Israel has nothing to do with the current migrant crisis. That's down primarily to the Syrian conflict which has also spilled over into Iraq with ISIS declaring a Caliphate in Raqqa. In second place comes Afghanistan where the Taliban still maintain a significant threat in spite of massive Western intervention in both material and manpower. Actually, I don't know why the West thought it could succeed where Russia had failed even with all the firepower they had at their disposal. Add to that Merkel's open door policy in which she offered to take any Syrian refugees who wanted to settle there only served to accelerate the migrant flow with other countries such as Kosovo, Albania and Pakistan jumping on the bandwagon even though there isn't a state of war in any of them. Their numbers are now beginning to overwhelm countries like Sweden, Norway and Denmark which prior to the current crisis were usually welcoming to refugees but have now closed their borders in an effort to stem the tide. That in turn has left thousands stranded in Greece which in itself is in dire financial straits and unable to cope with the influx. And then you have the camps in Calais with Eritreans and Arab minorities stowing away in the backs of trucks trying to enter the UK illegally. Yours on the other hand is a very simplistic view with little or no evidence to back up your claims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 23 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said: The current troubles have been caused by three things IMO. 1) Western countries carrying out wars (covertly or directly) in Moslem countries 2) Western countries not demanding that those who immigrated conformed to the main Western 'norms'. 3) The EU open borders policy that resulted in those from poor countries moving to wealthier countries. The first resulted in the onset of radicalism against the West, the second and third annoyed the indigenous population. You have to go back 100 years to the redrawing of Middle Eastern country borders after WW1, then WW2 with no thought of the nationalities of the peoples within those boundaries. It's taken 100 years, but Colin Powell was right: You break it, you bought it. He was talking about Iraq. Shame Bush didn't listen. European colonial treachery broke the Middle East 100 years ago. The chickens are just now coming home to roost. Wait 'til the sub-Saharan chickens come home to roost in the next 50 years or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xircal Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 18 minutes ago, stander said: Yes, Iran is predominantly Shia and Saudi Arabia with their theology of Wahhabi/Deobandi is predominantly Sunni. They despised each other, but the one thing they have in common is that they both promote an ideology of hatred and oppression, which is nothing more than medieval clerical opinion with its 7th Century barbarism. Iran and most other Middle East nations (with the exception of Israel) view Western interference as meddling in Arab affairs. Iran continues to support the Palestinians which has led to frequent clashes with Israel but overal, I don't agree that they maintain an ideology of hatred towards Western nations. Oppression is a different matter, but it tends to be directed at their own citizens rather than towards any Western countries. Saudi Arabia on the other hand can indeed be considered an oppressive regime and doesn't fare very well in the 2014 Human Rights Watch report. But I think we're straying too far off topic now so expect the mod squad to come do some cleaning soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mesterm Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 On 9/18/2016 at 5:07 AM, swanny321 said: They've converted to something much more insidious than Islam! Nope. They still have many levels they can descend to. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/harrowing-moment-sobbing-muslim-woman-7620834 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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