Tom Yum Kung soup - where to find the good stuff

[naboo]

Tom Yam with coconut milk is called Tom Yam Naam Kon. 

 

Without coconut milk it's Tom Yam Naam Sai.

 

The Gung or Moo is whatever meat/fish is with it.

 

Tom Kha is a different soup. You don't put Gati in Tom Kha, there is Gati in Tom Yam.

[Chicog]

13 minutes ago, naboo said:

Tom Yam with coconut milk is called Tom Yam Naam Kon. 

 

Without coconut milk it's Tom Yam Naam Sai.

 

The Gung or Moo is whatever meat/fish is with it.

 

Tom Kha is a different soup. You don't put Gati in Tom Kha, there is Gati in Tom Yam.

What's "Gati"?

Ah OK Coconut milk.

If you google "Tom Kha Gai" ingredients, I think you'll find you're wrong.

 

What we need is a Thai chef to settle this.

I think Tom Yum Gai should look approximately like this:

 

 

 

And Tom Kha Gai should look approximately like this (although often a bit redder):

 

 

I'm going to take some convincing otherwise.

 

Edited October 4, 2016 by Chicog

[naboo]

14 minutes ago, Chicog said:

What's "Gati"?

Ah OK Coconut milk.

 

 

No, it's a type of chilli powder. The wife loves to buy it in Prachuap province, apparently best there.

 

 

 

Edited October 4, 2016 by naboo

[Chicog]

There's Chili in both.

 

And that's Indian.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 4, 2016 by Chicog

[naboo]

My mistake, as you said the Gati is the coconut milk. The chilli I am thinking of is a major difference, and the volume of coconut milk in Tom Kha is much greater than Tom Yam Naam Kon.

 

See this link for a better description of the difference between the two than I could manage.

 

https://highheelgourmet.com/2013/04/25/tom-yum-goong/

[Sandy Freckle]

At the risk of winding up the semantic trollster police..., here's my 2 bobs worth. 
I've 'attempted' to make(re-create) Ton Yum Goong many, many times over the years..., at my other home in Australia.., utilising what I grow myself, what I can source and what have learnt..., it's never the same twice. But it is usually pretty tasty(unless I really stuff it up). Tom Yum Goon or Sour Prawn Soup (as I choose to call it sometimes) is likely much more uniform in flavour(can't say the same re quality) in any given locale within Thailand..., but even within Thailand there will be a degree of variation in it's flavour and quality..., and I reckon thats a good thing. Difference(variation) is a good thing in food imho.
Maybe It should be seen as one of the main qualities in 'some' nations dishes ?
What am I on about ? Simply put there's no use 'dissing' another posters opinion or recollections regarding food....., 'food' and 'taste' is such a variable thing and one persons sense of taste, to a large degree will always be subjective in nature.
Embrace food variations I say. 
Having said that..., I'd like to sample more good variations of Tom Yum Goong around CM ??
Anyway......, has someone phoned David Thomson yet ?

Edited October 4, 2016 by Sandy Freckle

[Paul Catton]

As described by Wikipedia has always been my understanding of the subject, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_yum 

I actually prefer a couple of the commercial pastes for the base liquid over a complete start from scratch that a family member or mom and pop shop would likely make.

[WinnieTheKhwai]

 

The restaurant referenced in the first reply: https://goo.gl/maps/uxkC5Pb8kBB2

 

Trying to debate transliteration choices of Thai in Latin characters: 

 

Unappreciative and rude OP:

 

We're not making progress on this forum are we?  :/

 

[Dante99]

1 hour ago, WinnieTheKhwai said:

 

The restaurant referenced in the first reply: https://goo.gl/maps/uxkC5Pb8kBB2

 

Trying to debate transliteration choices of Thai in Latin characters: 

 

Unappreciative and rude OP:

 

We're not making progress on this forum are we?  :/

 

Yes that is it.  Great to see that there are some on this forum than can find places without their hands being held.

 

Have to agree the smart ass helpless pricks on this forum are a regrettable addition.

[heybruce]

6 hours ago, Dante99 said:

Yes that is it.  Great to see that there are some on this forum than can find places without their hands being held.

 

Have to agree the smart ass helpless pricks on this forum are a regrettable addition.

 

A google search of "yoot aroy", your spelling, provides nothing.  Your initial post did not identify it as a restaurant.  Your second post did not provide a location.  The restaurant identified may be well known to those who spend time on Chang Klan, but many of us avoid that area.

 

How do you feel about smart ass pricks posting useless information on this forum?

 

[Chicog]

16 hours ago, naboo said:

My mistake, as you said the Gati is the coconut milk. The chilli I am thinking of is a major difference, and the volume of coconut milk in Tom Kha is much greater than Tom Yam Naam Kon.

 

See this link for a better description of the difference between the two than I could manage.

 

https://highheelgourmet.com/2013/04/25/tom-yum-goong/

 

Did you read it?

 

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Tom Yum is widely eaten all over the country. Some of you who know how to make Tom Kha Soup might ask how the two soups are different. The difference is Tom Kha is a thick soup with a coconut base and heavy on young galangal for the herb, but Tom Yum originally was a clear broth with lemongrass as the lead herb, followed with kaffir lime leaf, and the galangal would be less prominent in this soup. The biggest difference for me is Tom Yam is so hot and spicy and Tom Kha is milder.

 

Quod erat demonstrandum.

 

Of course that doesn''t stop anyone flavouring Tom Yum with coconut, and it's a given that the amount of chili varies just on geographical location alone.

 

But essentially I stick by what I said: Tom Tum is a clear broth, Tom Kha is a coconut milk one, and the ingredients are generally and  mostly the same with this exception.

 

I'd still like to hear the opinion of a Thai though.

 

There is another spicy and sour soup that I had at some Thai place east of the river once. It was quite delicious but I neglected to get the name, stupid me.

Edited October 5, 2016 by Chicog

[Chicog]

Well if nothing else this thread is stimulating my taste buds!

http://allrecipes.asia/recipes/tag-2185/thai-soup-recipes.aspx

 

It has one of the soups you describe, made with evaporated milk.

Edited October 5, 2016 by Chicog

[Chicog]

Ooooh and there's more....

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Thai_dishes#Soups

[kaptainrob]

22 hours ago, Chicog said:

 

No, it's the coconut milk I believe. Tom Yum without, Tom Kha with...

 

 

 

I think you just disproved this with your last link ....

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A mild to spicy soup with coconut milk, galangal (kha) and chicken. 

 

 

[Chicog]

8 hours ago, kaptainrob said:

 

I think you just disproved this with your last link ....

 

 

 

I'm still not convinced. Galangal is in both of them.

 

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Galangal /ɡəˈlæŋɡəl/ is a rhizome of plants in the ginger family Zingiberaceae, with culinary and medicinal uses originating in Indonesia. The rhizomes are used in various Asian cuisines (for example in Thai and Lao tom yum and tom kha gai soups, Vietnamese Huế cuisine (tré) and throughout Indonesian cuisine, for example, in soto).

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galangal

[Bill97]

 
Your first post did not identify it as a restaurant. 

The OP was asking for food service places like restaurants and was given a name.

What is one to expect, it is the name of a dog or a shoe store?

Where can I get a hamburger? MacDonalds, Burger King or Ducks. Is it really necessary to write "restaurant" with the name? Or can we assume the readers can understand the obvious?

[heybruce]

9 minutes ago, Bill97 said:

The OP was asking for food service places like restaurants and was given a name.

What is one to expect, it is the name of a dog or a shoe store?

Where can I get a hamburger? MacDonalds, Burger King or Ducks. Is it really necessary to write "restaurant" with the name? Or can we assume the readers can understand the obvious?

"What is one to expect..."

 

I know this is asking a lot, but how about a short, coherent sentence? 

 

Also, contrary to what the poster believes, "Yoot Aroy" isn't that well known and his English spelling of the Thai name doesn't work in internet search engines.  A little additional information would have made the difference between a useful post and a useless one.

[Johpa]

On 10/5/2016 at 2:17 AM, Chicog said:

But essentially I stick by what I said: Tom Tum is a clear broth, Tom Kha is a coconut milk one, and the ingredients are generally and  mostly the same with this exception.

 

I'd still like to hear the opinion of a Thai though.

 

Just asked the Thai wife and she agrees, tom kha uses the coconut milk.

[WinnieTheKhwai]

2 hours ago, Johpa said:

Just asked the Thai wife and she agrees, tom kha uses the coconut milk.

 

Yes, and it's optional (in a lesser quantity) in Tom Yam. 

 

Probably more common in Central and Southern parts of Thailand, with clear being more popular in the North and North East. 

 

If you do an image search, the variety with a good splash of coconut milk (and or other milk) seems more common, although that may also be because Thai sites skew a bit towards Bangkok:  https://www.google.co.th/search?q=ต้มยำ&tbm=isch 

 

Usually when ordering you would specify it:  Nam Khon for with coconut milk (thicker, richer) ต้มยําน้ําข้น  https://www.google.co.th/search?q=ต้มยําน้ําข้น&tbm=isch 

 

Or Nam Sai for clear: ต้มยําน้ําใส https://www.google.co.th/search?q=ต้มยําน้ําใส&tbm=isch

 

(Personally I think that as it's a pretty aggressive ordeal as it is, some coconut milk has a welcome soothing effect that makes it just about edible.  :)  Most Thais I know and especially women disagree though. )

Edited October 6, 2016 by WinnieTheKhwai

[elektrified]

Tom Yum Goong is nasty stuff. Tried it once about 25 years ago and again maybe 15 years ago... None of the Thais in my family eat it either. Tom Kha Gai on the other hand can be quite good. We order it maybe twice a year.

[WinnieTheKhwai]

6 hours ago, elektrified said:

Tom Yum Goong is nasty stuff. Tried it once about 25 years ago and again maybe 15 years ago... None of the Thais in my family eat it either. Tom Kha Gai on the other hand can be quite good. We order it maybe twice a year.

 

Agreed.  I didn't mention it earlier because I didn't want to seem all negative.  But yes. :)

[elektrified]

15 minutes ago, WinnieTheKhwai said:

 

Agreed.  I didn't mention it earlier because I didn't want to seem all negative.  But yes. :)

We tend to agree with one another.....going back a number of years...

[Paul Catton]

7 hours ago, elektrified said:

Tom Yum Goong is nasty stuff. Tried it once about 25 years ago and again maybe 15 years ago... None of the Thais in my family eat it either. Tom Kha Gai on the other hand can be quite good. We order it maybe twice a year.

 

25 minutes ago, WinnieTheKhwai said:

 

Agreed.  I didn't mention it earlier because I didn't want to seem all negative.  But yes. :)

 

7 minutes ago, elektrified said:

We tend to agree with one another.....going back a number of years...

 

Both of you should really hold your heads in shame for this admission, seek treatment quick

[Bill97]

"What is one to expect..."
 
I know this is asking a lot, but how about a short, coherent sentence? 
 
Also, contrary to what the poster believes, "Yoot Aroy" isn't that well known and his English spelling of the Thai name doesn't work in internet search engines.  A little additional information would have made the difference between a useful post and a useless one.

Yot Aroy is in fact well known in much the old CM Thai community who eat out fairly often. Although not fancy it is frequented by Thais rich and not so rich.

You want English spelling, go to England, Thai transliteration systems are numerous and inconsistent. [emoji274]

A wonderful Tom Yum or Tom Kah morning to all you beautiful Mae Rimittes and other sentient beings.

[suave]

Here is what a great bowl of soup looks like..

 

 

[suave]

[suave]

[heybruce]

32 minutes ago, Bill97 said:

Yot Aroy is in fact well known in much the old CM Thai community who eat out fairly often. Although not fancy it is frequented by Thais rich and not so rich.

You want English spelling, go to England, Thai transliteration systems are numerous and inconsistent.

A wonderful Tom Yum or Tom Kah morning to all you beautiful Mae Rimittes and other sentient beings.

"Yot Aroy is in fact well known in much the old CM Thai community who eat out fairly often."

 

What makes you think the OP is a member of this community?

 

"You want English spelling, go to England, Thai transliteration systems are numerous and inconsistent."

 

Agreed.  That's why simply posting "Yoot Aroy" was useless.  More information was needed.

[stament]

I have been away for a few days. god, I've missed my daily fix of CMTV and all the bickering. Glad to get back to normality ;-)

 

 

[Paul Catton]

Just now, stament said:

I have been away for a few days. god, I've missed my daily fix of CMTV and all the bickering. Glad to get back to normality ;-)

 

 

Did you know about yot aroy as it's close to another secret place of your liking?