3bb vs ais fiber vs true online ( fttx)

[dr_lucas]

@muratremix

Thanks. Interesting, tho that's quite vague.

Can you please share more details about the method of your tests and what the results that show that MITM is being used? Any screenshots to show that too?

Also, even if MITM proxy is indeed being used, MITM proxy is normally being used for different purposes. How can you determine they record everything with it?

 

Edited October 28, 2017 by dr_lucas

[muratremix]

12 hours ago, dr_lucas said:

@muratremix

Thanks. Interesting, tho that's quite vague.

Can you please share more details about the method of your tests and what the results that show that MITM is being used? Any screenshots to show that too?

Also, even if MITM proxy is indeed being used, MITM proxy is normally being used for different purposes. How can you determine they record everything with it?

 

 

 

somebody else mentioned this in thaivisa, until then I had no idea.

here is UDP mtr (or traceroute)

Quote

 

 Host                                                                                                                                    Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
 1. 10.121.84.229                                                                                                                         0.0%     2    3.8   3.8   3.8   3.8   0.0
    10.121.84.241
 2. 10.121.84.242                                                                                                                         0.0%     2    3.4   3.8   3.4   4.2   0.0
 3. mx-ll-110.164.0-108.static.3bb.co.th                                                                                                  0.0%     2   12.8  12.7  12.7  12.8   0.0
 4. mx-ll-110.164.0-58.static.3bb.co.th                                                                                                   0.0%     2   11.1  11.2  11.1  11.2   0.0
 5. mx-ll-110.164.1-121.static.3bb.co.th                                                                                                  0.0%     2   11.3  11.5  11.3  11.8   0.0
 6. mx-ll-110.164.1-123.static.3bb.co.th                                                                                                  0.0%     2   12.2  12.1  11.9  12.2   0.0
 7. mx-ll-110.164.0-121.static.3bb.co.th                                                                                                  0.0%     2   37.3  36.5  35.8  37.3   1.0
 8. mx-ll-110.164.0-83.static.3bb.co.th                                                                                                   0.0%     2  208.8 208.8 208.8 208.8   0.0
 9. online-dc2.par.franceix.net                                                                                                           0.0%     2  206.4 206.4 206.4 206.4   0.0
10. 45x-s44-2-a9k2.dc3.poneytelecom.eu                                                                                                    0.0%     1  220.6 220.6 220.6 220.6   0.0
11. www.as12876.net                                                                                                                       0.0%     1  205.8 205.8 205.8 205.8   0.0
 

here is mtr --tcp -P 80 online.net

 

 Host                                                                                                                                    Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
 1. 10.121.84.241                                                                                                                         0.0%     3    4.0   3.8   3.7   4.0   0.0
    10.121.84.229
 2. 10.121.84.242                                                                                                                         0.0%     3    4.2   5.0   4.0   6.9   1.6
    10.121.84.230
 3. mx-ll-110.164.0-235.static.3bb.co.th                                                                                                  0.0%     3   12.7  13.4  12.7  14.7   0.7
 4. mx-ll-110.164.0-138.static.3bb.co.th                                                                                                  0.0%     3   12.2  12.2  11.4  13.1   0.7
    mx-ll-110.164.0-58.static.3bb.co.th
 5. mx-ll-110.164.1-127.static.3bb.co.th                                                                                                  0.0%     3   10.5  11.1  10.5  11.5   0.0
    mx-ll-110.164.1-187.static.3bb.co.th
    mx-ll-110.164.1-19.static.3bb.co.th
 6. mx-ll-110.164.1-175.static.3bb.co.th                                                                                                  0.0%     3   11.6  12.9  11.6  14.8   1.4
    mx-ll-110.164.1-137.static.3bb.co.th
 7. www.as12876.net                                                                                                                       0.0%     2  142.9 173.1 142.9 203.2  42.7
 

and here is port 81 (or any other port other than 80)

 

Host                                                                                                                                    Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
 1. 10.121.84.241                                                                                                                         0.0%     2   17.1  10.6   4.1  17.1   9.2
    10.121.84.229
 2. 10.121.84.242                                                                                                                         0.0%     2    4.0   4.7   4.0   5.5   1.0
    10.121.84.230
 3. mx-ll-110.164.0-108.static.3bb.co.th                                                                                                  0.0%     2   15.0  14.5  14.0  15.0   0.0
    mx-ll-110.164.0-235.static.3bb.co.th
 4. mx-ll-110.164.0-140.static.3bb.co.th                                                                                                  0.0%     2   12.3  11.5  10.8  12.3   1.0
    mx-ll-110.164.0-138.static.3bb.co.th
 5. mx-ll-110.164.1-121.static.3bb.co.th                                                                                                  0.0%     2   11.4  11.4  11.3  11.4   0.0
    mx-ll-110.164.1-19.static.3bb.co.th
 6. mx-ll-110.164.1-117.static.3bb.co.th                                                                                                  0.0%     2   11.3  14.4  11.3  17.6   4.4
    mx-ll-110.164.1-123.static.3bb.co.th
 7. mx-ll-110.164.0-173.static.3bb.co.th                                                                                                  0.0%     2   36.6  36.2  35.9  36.6   0.0
    mx-ll-110.164.0-77.static.3bb.co.th
 8. mx-ll-110.164.0-185.static.3bb.co.th                                                                                                  0.0%     2  200.8 200.4 200.0 200.8   0.0
 9. online-dc2.par.franceix.net                                                                                                           0.0%     2  201.4 197.9 194.5 201.4   4.8
10. 45x-s44-2-a9k2.dc3.poneytelecom.eu                                                                                                    0.0%     2  218.2 218.2 218.2 218.2   0.0
11. www.as12876.net    

 

 

It seems they stopped MITM on port 443 because they can't decrypt? perhaps they were testing some stuff and now they stopped.

Edited October 29, 2017 by muratremix

[dr_lucas]

Thanks, muratremix.

First, it's best not to believe everything we read in Thaivisa, or elsewhere. I am sure we all know & agree on that. 

 

In each of the above 3 cases there is a different route than the other. The port 80 tcp trace is the shortest route.

1) How does any of that prove they use MITM proxy?

2) And even if they do use it on port 80. How can it be determined they use it for traffic recording, or "recording everything" as you wrote earlier.

3) Also, how and why do you think MITM proxy affect nperf benchmark as mentioned on the previous page?

Edited October 29, 2017 by dr_lucas

[muratremix]

13 minutes ago, dr_lucas said:

Thanks, muratremix.

First, it's best not to believe everything we read in Thaivisa, or elsewhere. I am sure we all know & agree on that. 

 

In each of the above 3 cases there is a different route than the other. The port 80 tcp trace is the shortest route.

1) How does any of that prove they use MITM proxy?

2) And even if they do use it on port 80. How can it be determined they use it for traffic recording, or "recording everything" as you wrote earlier.

3) Also, how and why do you think MITM proxy affect nperf benchmark as mentioned on the previous page?

1) yes it does prove. udp and tcp traceroute to the same server is completely different. 

it also fakes ping so test results don't show bogus faster than light ping speeds. However they did not made this MITM system to fake speedtest results.

2) Thailand IT crimes law is serious. They have to record online activity. Especially what people wrote on public forums etc like pantip.com and others. 

3) MITM proxy helps bypassing ISP throttling on port 80. 

 

So, normally I get better speeds when I use https on port 443, because it is encrypted and harder to throttle. But, I get better speeds on port 80 on 3bb fiber now, which doesn't make sense (other than they removed throttling in mitm server)

[muratremix]

I also made these tcp traceroute tests on TOT and True and I can confirm they don't have MITM proxy.

[RedCardinal]

On 10/27/2017 at 10:15 PM, Pib said:

 

Using those sites shows my AIS 200/50 is "not" behind any proxy server for my IPv4 or IPv6 connection.

 

 

 

 

That means that you have a dedicated IP address for your IPv4.  You mentioned you upgraded to 200Mb connection, but the marketing info for that says you get a "private" IPv4 address - maybe something went awry with your set up?  Lucky all the same.

 

Those proxy tests should show a proxy for all "private" IPv4 used by AIS.  CGNAT is essentially a proxy service.

[RedCardinal]

On 10/28/2017 at 9:43 AM, muratremix said:

3bb uses middle server for tcp ports 80 and 443.

For sites visited over TLS they cant see what you view.  At best they can see the domain you visit from the handshake/DNS lookup.  Having a proxy listening on Port 443 should net them a tonne of encrypted traffic and not a lot more. 

[dr_lucas]

1 hour ago, RedCardinal said:

That means that you have a dedicated IP address for your IPv4.  You mentioned you upgraded to 200Mb connection, but the marketing info for that says you get a "private" IPv4 address - maybe something went awry with your set up?  Lucky all the same.

 

Those proxy tests should show a proxy for all "private" IPv4 used by AIS.  CGNAT is essentially a proxy service.

Terminology correction.

It actually means he has a non-shared (at the time of lease) public IP address, not necessarily a dedicated IP (which always stays the same) and if his IP changes regularly it is not dedicated.

On CGNAT you get both a shared public IP address which sits before the CGNAT and another NAT IP address, normally in the 100.x.x.x range which is between the CGNAT and your home router/modem and then your home NAT, if exist, is in charge of the rest of the local LAN IP addresses, usually via its DHCP.

CGNAT is an additional NAT layer on top of the home router NAT layer. How is it a proxy?

 

1 hour ago, RedCardinal said:

For sites visited over TLS they cant see what you view.  At best they can see the domain you visit from the handshake/DNS lookup.  Having a proxy listening on Port 443 should net them a tonne of encrypted traffic and not a lot more. 

Yes, that is correct. As I wrote in my post earlier, it's pointless to record any encrypted TLS/SSL traffic.

Edited November 1, 2017 by dr_lucas

[Pib]

3 hours ago, RedCardinal said:

That means that you have a dedicated IP address for your IPv4.  You mentioned you upgraded to 200Mb connection, but the marketing info for that says you get a "private" IPv4 address - maybe something went awry with your set up?  Lucky all the same.

 

Those proxy tests should show a proxy for all "private" IPv4 used by AIS.  CGNAT is essentially a proxy service.

Yes, I now have a public IPv4 address.   I've bitched at AIS so much over the last month about why ain't my international speeds as good as they use to be one of the things they did was take me from behind the CGNAT....gave me a public IP address which didn't help with my issue as far as I can see.  My speeds to the U.S. are OK...just not great like they use to be.    

 

 

[RedCardinal]

4 hours ago, dr_lucas said:

It actually means he has a non-shared (at the time of lease) public IP address, not necessarily a dedicated IP (which always stays the same) and if his IP changes regularly it is not dedicated.

True :)   But I'm willing to guess it will be static for extended periods of time.  It may well be static given that they did a hand-job to give him this.

2 hours ago, Pib said:

Yes, I now have a public IPv4 address.   I've bitched at AIS so much over the last month about why ain't my international speeds as good as they use to be one of the things they did was take me from behind the CGNAT....gave me a public IP address which didn't help with my issue as far as I can see.  My speeds to the U.S. are OK...just not great like they use to be. 

Interesting.  I might have to get into bitch mode so.  A public IPv4 address would be very handy for me as I have quite a few services that require one.  I run these through True connection right now as they still provide a public IPv4 address.  Thanks for the info.

 

[dr_lucas]

8 minutes ago, RedCardinal said:

True :)   But I'm willing to guess it will be static for extended periods of time.  It may well be static given that they did a hand-job to give him this.

Seriously doubt it. If @Pibconnection is off the CGNAT (a good thing indeed) I am guessing he gets the IP leased using PPPoE on his modem, so switching the modem off and back on (or re-dialing) will probably provide a new public IP, still off the CGNAT.

Worth testing.

 

P.S. TV really needs to change this black text on dark blue tag color in the forum stylesheet... 

Edited November 1, 2017 by dr_lucas

[shariq607]

just noticed Ais made some changes to its power4 promotion. 200/50 top of the line package used to come with free 12 months of platinum HD but now its only 6 months so in reality its a downgrade (never heard of that lol usually they make their promotion better)

 

when i subscribed to their top package it was still 12 months i hope it remains the same for people who already subscribed beforehand.

 

 

 

[dr_lucas]

What's the price after the 6 months if you stay with the same Platinum package?

[shariq607]

23 minutes ago, dr_lucas said:

What's the price after the 6 months if you stay with the same Platinum package?

should be additional 899 baht per month.

[Pib]

51 minutes ago, dr_lucas said:

Seriously doubt it. If @Pibconnection is off the CGNAT (a good thing indeed) I am guessing he gets the IP leased using PPPoE on his modem, so switching the modem off and back on (or re-dialing) will probably provide a new public IP, still off the CGNAT.

Worth testing.

 

P.S. TV really needs to change this black text on dark blue tag color in the forum stylesheet... 

Yeap, I get a new IPv4 address issued periodically like when turning the router off/on.

[Pib]

1 hour ago, shariq607 said:

just noticed Ais made some changes to its power4 promotion. 200/50 top of the line package used to come with free 12 months of platinum HD but now its only 6 months so in reality its a downgrade (never heard of that lol usually they make their promotion better)

 

when i subscribed to their top package it was still 12 months i hope it remains the same for people who already subscribed beforehand.

 

 

 

 

Yea, when I switch to the Power4 200/50 plan in early Sep the Power4 advertisement only identified HooQ as no longer being free after 12 months if signing up for the Bt1799 or Bt1999 Power4 plans.   There was no "free for X months" shown for the Platinum HD, SIM card, Wifi, etc....only the HooQ was shown with a free for 12 months for these two plans.  To me that implied come renewal time and if the plan just rolls over automatically I would still be getting the same deal with the exception of HooQ would now add Bt129/mo to the cost if I wanted to keep HooQ.    See below what their ad use to say....note where I circled HooQ which was the only item that was identified as free for X-month meaning all other items were just standard in the package.

 

 

I even talked to AIS Fibre 1185 two different times/to two different reps on different days about "would the price stay the same after my 12 month contract in terms of Platinum HD, SIM, Wifi, etc., still being part of the Bt1,999 price?"  The answer was yes both times with the cavet that HooQ would no longer be free and unless I cancelled the HooQ during the month before the 12 month contract is up then my monthly bill would go up Bt129/mo which is the HooQ cost.  On my first call I even asked the rep confirm the info with her supervisor...the rep put me on hold for a few minutes while supposedly doing this, came back online and repeated above.  

 

With their ads where the Platinum HD is free only for X-months like HooQ is only free for X-months, I don't consider their Bt1799 and Bt1999 Power4 plans as good deals with the Platinum TV no longer being free...would add Bt899 to the price.   Now "if" a person could call AIS just before the free Platinum TV period ends and tell them you want to drop that portion since you don't want to incur an additional Bt899/mo charge and lets say they allow that (but they probably wouldn't since you are on a 12 month contract), you would be left with a 200/50 plan with SIM card and Wifi for Bt1999.   Kinda pricey IMO. 

 

Heck, since 200/100 plans from other ISPs run around Bt1200 and you can get cheaper SIM cards from numerous mobile operators, I would not consider the higher speed AIS Power 4 plans a good deal anymore.  If I stayed with AIS Fibre and their Platinum HD when my current contract ends Sep 18, I would probably fall back to a 100Mb speed plan with Platinum HD add-on. 

 

Since my only choice for Fiber Optics/DOCSIS high speed plans in my moobaan is AIS or True, I would probably stay with AIS since they would still be cheaper than True DOCSIS 100Mb plan with Gold or Platinum packages add-on .  And AIS knows they still have a cost advantage over True for high speed internet and premium TV packages...this is probably why these new Power4 packages are coming out that are not as good as the earlier Power4 packages.

 

However, but, I've heard rumors True may be lowering prices comes Dec/Jan in trying to get some customers back who jumped boat to AIS and others when True raised prices of their TV packages even though losing the HBO channels to AIS.   In fact, after we (the wife and I) left True we got a call from them a few weeks later trying to get us back on board but we said no due to their pricing and lack of HBO channels....and the rep said, well, come December True may have new/lower pricing coming out....the wife told the rep to call back in Dec with new/lower pricing and we'll talk about it then, but until goodbye.    Time will tell....personally I don't think True will lower its TV packages price by much if any.  

 

 

 

 

 

[dr_lucas]

Yeah, I got the same information from AIS and I think that whoever subscribed before this change will still get the same attractive pricing.

With the additional 899 THB/month it is no longer an attractive offer at all.

[shariq607]

43 minutes ago, Pib said:

 

Yea, when I switch to the Power4 200/50 plan in early Sep the Power4 advertisement only identified HooQ as no longer being free after 12 months if signing up for the Bt1799 or Bt1999 Power4 plans.   There was no "free for X months" shown for the Platinum HD, SIM card, Wifi, etc....only the HooQ was shown with a free for 12 months for these two plans.  To me that implied come renewal time and if the plan just rolls over automatically I would still be getting the same deal with the exception of HooQ would now add Bt129/mo to the cost if I wanted to keep HooQ.    See below what their ad use to say....note where I circled HooQ which was the only item that was identified as free for X-month meaning all other items were just standard in the package.

 

 

I even talked to AIS Fibre 1185 two different times/to two different reps on different days about "would the price stay the same after my 12 month contract in terms of Platinum HD, SIM, Wifi, etc., still being part of the Bt1,999 price?"  The answer was yes both times with the cavet that HooQ would no longer be free and unless I cancelled the HooQ during the month before the 12 month contract is up then my monthly bill would go up Bt129/mo which is the HooQ cost.  On my first call I even asked the rep confirm the info with her supervisor...the rep put me on hold for a few minutes while supposedly doing this, came back online and repeated above.  

 

With their ads where the Platinum HD is free only for X-months like HooQ is only free for X-months, I don't consider their Bt1799 and Bt1999 Power4 plans as good deals with the Platinum TV no longer being free...would add Bt899 to the price.   Now "if" a person could call AIS just before the free Platinum TV period ends and tell them you want to drop that portion since you don't want to incur an additional Bt899/mo charge and lets say they allow that (but they probably wouldn't since you are on a 12 month contract), you would be left with a 200/50 plan with SIM card and Wifi for Bt1999.   Kinda pricey IMO. 

 

Heck, since 200/100 plans from other ISPs run around Bt1200 and you can get cheaper SIM cards from numerous mobile operators, I would not consider the higher speed AIS Power 4 plans a good deal anymore.  If I stayed with AIS Fibre and their Platinum HD when my current contract ends Sep 18, I would probably fall back to a 100Mb speed plan with Platinum HD add-on. 

 

Since my only choice for Fiber Optics/DOCSIS high speed plans in my moobaan is AIS or True, I would probably stay with AIS since they would still be cheaper than True DOCSIS 100Mb plan with Gold or Platinum packages add-on .  And AIS knows they still have a cost advantage over True for high speed internet and premium TV packages...this is probably why these new Power4 packages are coming out that are not as good as the earlier Power4 packages.

 

However, but, I've heard rumors True may be lowering prices comes Dec/Jan in trying to get some customers back who jumped boat to AIS and others when True raised prices of their TV packages even though losing the HBO channels to AIS.   In fact, after we (the wife and I) left True we got a call from them a few weeks later trying to get us back on board but we said no due to their pricing and lack of HBO channels....and the rep said, well, come December True may have new/lower pricing coming out....the wife told the rep to call back in Dec with new/lower pricing and we'll talk about it then, but until goodbye.    Time will tell....personally I don't think True will lower its TV packages price by much if any.  

 

 

 

 

 

Ais is really shooting themselves in the foot when it comes to their recent changes, first they really messed up something with the international bandwidth which has been slow ever since , then they are planning to limit/lock the playbox capabilities to run only their apps and now they are downgrading their packages with platinum now only being 6 months free.

 

generally speaking there packages and offerings are quite confusing too, like what happens when your contract ends or free months of platinum ends , what happens to the free 4g sim after 12 months etc..

 

still remember those old days when Ais was a startup in the broadband business and their packages were the most attractive/cheapest for the speed and they really set themselves as a price leader in the isp market when it came to attractive packages.

 

Now other isps have overtaken them and Ais is still very slow to respond to recent market changes. 

Edited November 1, 2017 by shariq607

[Pib]

Yea, their latest Power4 pricing is not attractive. 

 

For example, let's say I signed up today for the AIS Fibre 200/50 at Bt1999 plan which is a 200/50 internet plan, a premium TV package with HooQ, an unlimited 6Mb speed SIM, and unlimited Wifi.   But after 6 months with the premium TV part no longer being free the price goes another Bt899....now the total monthly price is Bt2,898/mo.

 

OK, let's go over to True and see what a similar plan would cost.  Their 200/50 plan with Gold TV package, 4Mb speed SIM, and free  Wifi is Bt2,699/mo....cheaper than above AIS competing plan.  And if we replaced the Gold TV package with the Platinum package the cost would be Bt3,099...not that much more than above AIS competing plan.

 

Me beginning to think AIS Fibre's days of undercutting True prices by big amounts are over....now AIS Fibre is coming more inline with True's pricing.   

 

AIS better watch out....my True cable/DOCSIS is still in my house and still connected to their DOCSIS trunk line on the soi...other than the True installer bringing out a cable modem and TV box to hook to my True line on the inside of my home (no other installation required) I could be back online with them in a heartbeat.  You listening AIS?

 

Edited November 1, 2017 by Pib

[Pib]

On 10/27/2017 at 7:24 PM, muratremix said:

19:19 koh samui

 

200/100 3bb fiber :)

Of course, keep in mind, these speeds are thanks to 3BB MITM (man in the middle -- hidden proxy server) server to keep record of online activity (or IT crimes)

 

 

 

 

Tests done via 5ghz AC wifi connection near router.

 

 

 

Having a small speed testing relapse...posting these just for AIS 200/60 comparison to above 3BB 200/100 using the same Nperf HTML5 speed tester and to the same locations of Singapore, London, and San Francisco.  The plans have the same download speeds but different upload speeds.  Testing done around 9:35pm Thailand time.   Now back to my Speedtesters Anonymous regime....I'll consider this my November allowance for speed test result posting.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

18 hours ago, shariq607 said:

then they are planning to limit/lock the playbox capabilities to run only their apps

 

Has it actually been confirmed for certain that AIS is really doing that with their boxes? Has any user encountered locking as yet?

 

Last time I caught up with the other thread on that specific topic, someone had heard or seen that news, but anytime anyone contacted AIS about it, they seemed to know nothing about that kind of change...

Edited November 2, 2017 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

15 hours ago, Pib said:

 

Having a small speed testing relapse...posting these just for AIS 200/60 comparison to above 3BB 200/100 using the same Nperf HTML5 speed tester and to the same locations of Singapore, London, and San Francisco.

 

 Pib, those results are much faster than what you said you've been getting to the U.S. lately...

 

So, is NPerf a single thread/stream or multi thread/stream test?

[shariq607]

 
Has it actually been confirmed for certain that AIS is really doing that with their boxes? Has any user encountered locking as yet?
 
Last time I caught up with the other thread on that specific topic, someone had heard or seen that news, but anytime anyone contacted AIS about it, they seemed to know nothing about that kind of change...

They are planning to do it on 20th November, I hope there is enough criticism that they abandon the plan.

I have received an sms from ais few days ago about this. It’s in Thai though

เพื่อเพิ่มประสิทธิภาพการใช้งาน กล่องAIS PLAYBOXจะไม่รองรับการติดตั้งแอปจากภายนอกลงบนกล่อง ตั้งแต่ 20 พ.ย.60 เป็นต้นไป


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[Pib]

5 minutes ago, shariq607 said:

 

They are planning to do it on 20th November, I hope there is enough criticism that they abandon the plan.

I have received an sms from ais few days ago about this. It’s in Thai though

เพื่อเพิ่มประสิทธิภาพการใช้งาน กล่องAIS PLAYBOXจะไม่รองรับการติดตั้งแอปจากภายนอกลงบนกล่อง ตั้งแต่ 20 พ.ย.60 เป็นต้นไป


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To date I have not rec'd that SMS.  I get other SMSs, like on 22 and 23 Oct, from AIS Fibre...just haven't got above SMS yet.  Maybe they don't want to send me the SMS because they know I will bitch at them (like they care).  AIS is beginning to act more like True everyday.   

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

10 minutes ago, shariq607 said:

เพื่อเพิ่มประสิทธิภาพการใช้งาน กล่องAIS PLAYBOXจะไม่รองรับการติดตั้งแอปจากภายนอกลงบนกล่อง ตั้งแต่ 20 พ.ย.60 เป็นต้นไป

 

AIS PLAYBOX boxes do not support out-of-box apps installed on the box since Nov. 20, 1960.

[shariq607]

11 minutes ago, Pib said:

To date I have not rec'd that SMS.  I get other SMSs, like on 22 and 23 Oct, from AIS Fibre...just haven't got above SMS yet.  Maybe they don't want to send me the SMS because they know I will bitch at them (like they care).  AIS is beginning to act more like True everyday.   

The the sender of the message is not titled AISFibre, its from AISPlayBox , check maybe you have received it.

[Pib]

Nope...no receive...I lot closely at each SMS regardless of who it comes from.

[dr_lucas]

21 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

AIS PLAYBOX boxes do not support out-of-box apps installed on the box since Nov. 20, 1960.

That's 2560 (ie. 2017). 

 

22 minutes ago, Pib said:

To date I have not rec'd that SMS.  I get other SMSs, like on 22 and 23 Oct, from AIS Fibre...just haven't got above SMS yet.  Maybe they don't want to send me the SMS because they know I will bitch at them (like they care).  AIS is beginning to act more like True everyday.   

It is probably an automated SMS system. I doubt they send it to customers manually and singled you out. Maybe you are flagged as an English SMS only customer (?) and they sent it only in Thai language, so you didn't receive it.

As time goes by it seems it's becoming a duopoly or a cartel rather than a competition... 

Edited November 2, 2017 by dr_lucas

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 minute ago, dr_lucas said:

That's 2560 (ie. 2017). 

 

 

That's just the way Google Translate read it.. I didn't change the Google Translate result.

 

[Pib]

Will be interesting if they push out an update to Playboxes to implement the change. Or it will only apply to Playboxes installed 20 Nov and after.  Time will tell.  But I'm going to guess they will push out an update which will force the change.   

 

And yes, they can see and update Playboxes from upstream.    Like one time around a year ago I called the AIS Fibre call center with some curiosity Playbox questions....the AIS rep said he sees my Playbox is on LAN port 1 versus port 4 where it normally should be for some reason.  I said yes it's on Port 1 since the AIS installer plugged the Playbox into Port 1 and I had not moved it.  Later I moved it to Port 4. 

 

But now, my AIS-provided router is in Bridge mode (which AIS changed from router mode to bridge more from their end) and the only thing plugged to it is a connection between it's LAN 1 bridged port to the WAN input of my Asus router...then all my devices to include Playbox connect to the Asus router.  But I expect even my setup will not stop a forced update to the Playbox.   

 

Plus a couple of months ago AIS pushed an update to their AIS-specific HooQ app on the Playbox....not pushed from Google Play which only has the Mobile HooQ version which is completely different and will not work on the Playbox if you want to continue to receive HooQ for free for X-amount of months.   

 

Yeap, AIS can easily push forced updates to their routers and Playboxes.

 

P.S.  The AIS Fibre SMSs I get are sometimes in Thai and sometimes in English.  I have told the them several times just over the last few months to ensure my account is set to English...they say it is set to English.   But the two latest SMSs I got from AIS Fibre were still in Thai.  I expect some of their SMSs only go out in Thai regardless of the language setting they have you account coded for.