bek Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Hi,I can see that there has been some problems with the engine on the CB300, and that they had to go in for a recall.If I go and buy and CB300F tomorrow, can I trust that the problems have been fixed and that the bike I will get is ok?I asked at the local dealer, and he just told me that the bike is ok, as it is a new bike - no problems!I'm not convinced that he understood my question, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DILLIGAD Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Hi,I can see that there has been some problems with the engine on the CB300, and that they had to go in for a recall.If I go and buy and CB300F tomorrow, can I trust that the problems have been fixed and that the bike I will get is ok?I asked at the local dealer, and he just told me that the bike is ok, as it is a new bike - no problems!I'm not convinced that he understood my question, though.Not many 'salespeople' here do. You would be wise to investigate associated bike specific websites/FB pagesSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Grumpy Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Buy a Z300 instead. Or the Yammy 321cc one. Much better bikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red13 Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 As the recall has been in place for a while, any new bike should be ok. As above, both the Z300 and MT-03 are in a different league, I'd go for one of those or buy used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Grumpy Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Also the Benelli 302, and also the BMW300 that is coming out. I'd buy all of these ahead of the CB300. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bek Posted October 20, 2016 Author Share Posted October 20, 2016 I have tried the Z300, and I don't feel comfortable on - or should I say in it, as I feel like I sit in it, not on it.I will try and have a look at the Yamaha.I have seen quite a few Benelli's driving around, and they sound very good - but it seems that there has been some minor quality problems with them, when doing a bit of googling - and they're still not available with ABS?When is the BMW available? I have seen it mentioned a few times online, but have only seen a release date in India mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhruGin Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, bek said: I have tried the Z300, and I don't feel comfortable on - or should I say in it, as I feel like I sit in it, not on it. I will try and have a look at the Yamaha. I have seen quite a few Benelli's driving around, and they sound very good - but it seems that there has been some minor quality problems with them, when doing a bit of googling - and they're still not available with ABS? When is the BMW available? I have seen it mentioned a few times online, but have only seen a release date in India mentioned. A 1 year old MT03 (best of the bunch) will set you back the price of a new CB, Z300 personally wouldn't bother ....Benelli 300, minor quality probs: Early versions in the Indian market did have a few problems, later versions in Thailand are so minor they are insignificant (There is a thread here on TV "Benelli TNT300s" with some owners views and quite a few pages of ...cough ...opinion by posters that have never owned one ...go have a look at the later pages) ...compared to quality problems of a dodgy crank on CB then well.... As for Benelli not having ABS then I personally am very happy it hasn't got it, but each to their own eh. As for price, about 7k more than the CB, comes with 3 year warranty, 1 year breakdown cover, 1 year free 1st class insurance ...comparing these two I know which is the better deal. As for how the CB's are now, I would say they are fine as they wouldn't keep churning them out with the same problem, would they? Out of the 4 possibles (as BMW not here yet) above I'd place CB 4th ....twin over a single any day in this market segment, but up to you. Edited October 20, 2016 by KhruGin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In the jungle Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 I watched a group test of the CBR, R3, Z3 and KTM RC390 by Motorcyclist Magazine on You Tube yesterday. They rated the CBR as best for handling, suspension and brakes. By contrast the R3 was rated worst handling bike on test mostly due to a poor rear shock. That certainly came as a surprise to me. The CBR was the least powerful with 27.8 horsepower at the rear wheel. Z300 was criticised for weak brakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingerbel Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 (edited) I have a CB, mine didn't get recalled. 2 and 1/2yrs in and 30,000km I have no problems with that little bike. It's all down to what you want your bike for and your expectations of the bike. I wanted something that is quick and nimble through traffic and can be fixed or serviced easily by me. You might want yours for different reasons, this is good for what it is. Edited October 20, 2016 by dingerbel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bek Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 Thanks for the input.Initially I leaned towards the Benelli because I like the look of it. Then I started to google - most people seem to agree that it runs well, it doesn't feel it's weight (which I personally am not obsessed about), but also that there was some quality issues. Maybe I should go pay the local dealer a visit, and ask about what changes has been made since introduction.I turned to the Honda as it is so common here, the service network is big and there should be no problems in that department. I also hopes that I would be the most reliable choice, but I am not too convinced anymore. For sure it's the most boring looking bike of the bunch!I rarely see any KTM's around, although we do have a local dealer - they look at bit smaller? 191cm isn't always compatible with bikes in this size range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllanB Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 I wouldn't buy a bike designed by accountants and this their first. When something has a bad rep leave it alone regardless of make, as all companies have at least one lemon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bek Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 I wouldn't buy a bike designed by accountants and this their first. When something has a bad rep leave it alone regardless of make, as all companies have at least one lemon.You are referring to which bike?I think 95% of bikes are designed on a budget... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhys Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 I still like the CBr\R 300R, Sunday rides are relaxing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Grumpy Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 On 20/10/2016 at 10:40 AM, bek said: I have tried the Z300, and I don't feel comfortable on - or should I say in it, as I feel like I sit in it, not on it. I will try and have a look at the Yamaha. I have seen quite a few Benelli's driving around, and they sound very good - but it seems that there has been some minor quality problems with them, when doing a bit of googling - and they're still not available with ABS? When is the BMW available? I have seen it mentioned a few times online, but have only seen a release date in India mentioned. I have a Benelli 300 and never had a problem with it. Never misses a beat. Lovely ride and I've now done 10,000 km iun 6 months. Now want to upgrade to the 600GTI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zd1 Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 On 20/10/2016 at 4:40 AM, bek said: I have tried the Z300, and I don't feel comfortable on - or should I say in it, as I feel like I sit in it, not on it. I will try and have a look at the Yamaha. I have seen quite a few Benelli's driving around, and they sound very good - but it seems that there has been some minor quality problems with them, when doing a bit of googling - and they're still not available with ABS? When is the BMW available? I have seen it mentioned a few times online, but have only seen a release date in India mentioned. In my opinion I would avoid ABS on a motorbike, I had a bandit 1200 as a replacement for my 900 hornet some years back it had ABS and I didn't like it, I personally like to brake when I like to break even if it does lock up, I would prefer to hit something while breaking heavily than to have the breaks working intermitantly. I don't know much about small bikes as I have mainly had big bikes and when riding a 400cc after a 1000cc it feels like it hasn't any power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllanB Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 On 21/10/2016 at 9:22 PM, bek said: You are referring to which bike? I think 95% of bikes are designed on a budget... There is a subtle difference when accountants design bikes, they overrule the engineers when they shouldn't. This happened with Toyota and Mercedes and all of a sudden these recalls and major faults occur and what were hitherto bullet proof machine are relegated to the foot of the reliability tables. When a number of engines destroy themselves it is a design problem, so leave the damn thing along, after all this is a essentially a dullard machine, so there is no upside when it goes tips up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bek Posted October 24, 2016 Author Share Posted October 24, 2016 There is a subtle difference when accountants design bikes, they overrule the engineers when they shouldn't. This happened with Toyota and Mercedes and all of a sudden these recalls and major faults occur and what were hitherto bullet proof machine are relegated to the foot of the reliability tables. When a number of engines destroy themselves it is a design problem, so leave the damn thing along, after all this is a essentially a dullard machine, so there is no upside when it goes tips up.Ahh... I understand now.Well, I have tried the Honda now and wasn't impressed - compared to the Duke 200 I find it boring, even though the Duke 200 has a smaller engine.Still have to go and see the Benelli... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Grumpy Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Was at a Stallion demo yesterday and they have a 400cc 'Scrambler' presumably made with the engine of the 400cc cafe racer. 116k baht. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardokano Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 On 20.10.2016 at 2:28 PM, In the jungle said: I watched a group test of the CBR, R3, Z3 and KTM RC390 by Motorcyclist Magazine on You Tube yesterday. They rated the CBR as best for handling, suspension and brakes. By contrast the R3 was rated worst handling bike on test mostly due to a poor rear shock. That certainly came as a surprise to me. The CBR was the least powerful with 27.8 horsepower at the rear wheel. Z300 was criticised for weak brakes. rated the CBR as best for handling, suspension and brakes how much Honda paid for this comparison? only in Traffic jam CBR can say its fine handling.. And why in test Z3 is it z300 from kawa? Why no Ninja 300? it was more logical ninja 300 Test absurd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In the jungle Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Not my opinions. A test by US reviewers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktm jeff Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 If the "professional" testers at Motorcyclist magazine rate the single cylinder 27 bhp Honda over multi cylinder 42 / 45 bhp bikes , then thats one mag id stay well away from. Complete BS. Honda bikes arent too impressive nowadays , but this CB / CRF / CBR range is a diaster. Its had a bad reputation from day 1 and will be very hard to sell when you realise , and wish to upgrade. All companies have accountants , but the penny pinching has gone way too far at Honda . The Z3 / Ninja is good , R3 is sporty , Benelli TNT and the Tornado is fast and flash and the KTM is simply mad. Today there is simply no need to buy a Honda while so many other , far better bikes are available , that werent just a few years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingerbel Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 KTM Jeff, you can obviously tell where his stock lies. Anyway, I could pull out plenty of Motorcyclist mags from Aus, US and GB that all say the Honda 300 isn't a bad bike at all. Like I said, now at over 30,000km and still no issues, after 20+yrs of riding and 7 bikes, I can honestly say it isn't the worst bike I have ever had. Its a bike that is designed for a certain budget, not to be wild like the KTM, not everyone wants that from a bike. I commute and if you want a bike for that this is good enough. If you want a bike to impress, dig deeper in your pockets and buy the Z3/MT03 or the KTM 390, better yet buy a bigger bike. I rode the Benny and didn't like it, just personal preference, same with the Z300. And that is all it really comes down to, saying that this bike is a disaster, just based on your own personal opinion, without actually owning one or riding one for a considerable amount of time, is just you trying to make yourself feel important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revgreen Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 I love my CB300F but I'd go for a MT-03 if I could do it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhys Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 I like my CBR 300R but ready for the CB 500X, but the wife has my huevos.. sorry can't man up here.. 5555 PT good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhys Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 (edited) Just seemsto collect dust now.. Edited December 1, 2016 by Rhys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa al Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 your huevos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhys Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 papa padre, have to scratch them every now and then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllanB Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 On 25/10/2016 at 11:33 PM, ktm jeff said: If the "professional" testers at Motorcyclist magazine rate the single cylinder 27 bhp Honda over multi cylinder 42 / 45 bhp bikes , then thats one mag id stay well away from. Complete BS. Honda bikes arent too impressive nowadays , but this CB / CRF / CBR range is a diaster. Its had a bad reputation from day 1 and will be very hard to sell when you realise , and wish to upgrade. All companies have accountants , but the penny pinching has gone way too far at Honda . The Z3 / Ninja is good , R3 is sporty , Benelli TNT and the Tornado is fast and flash and the KTM is simply mad. Today there is simply no need to buy a Honda while so many other , far better bikes are available , that werent just a few years ago. Well it wouldn't be the first time someone got a brown envelope. My point:- Penny-pinching is when accountant do the design and the mighty (Honda) have fallen. Today I watched 3 Stallions go roaring by in formation, an impressive sight and sound, I really like to see and hear bikes like that. Maybe I am getting old but I prefer steam engines to sewing machines, especially when the latter is starting to drop stitches. What are bikes for, if not for the way they make you feel.......understand I am excluding commuters from this? PS. Surprised you are including the CRF in this bad bike group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Living Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 That 2017 KTM RC 390 has to be the sharpest bike in the 300 segment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterw42 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 One of these would be nice if someone knew when or how much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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