May ready for tough talks over Brexit

[pitrevie]

David Davis concedes UK government may have lost mandate to exit customs union and single market. I seem to recall that the leader of the Brexit campaign won the Brexit vote by campaigning to remain in the customs union and single market.

[dick dasterdly]

2 minutes ago, pitrevie said:

David Davis concedes UK government may have lost mandate to exit customs union and single market. I seem to recall that the leader of the Brexit campaign won the Brexit vote by campaigning to remain in the customs union and single market.

I think its fairly safe to say that we'll end up in a worse position than that  prior to enacting article 50 - when May ends up with a reduced majority....

[Grouse]

4 hours ago, AlexRich said:

Unbelievable ... the "will of the people" protest vote on immigration is backfiring big time. A Corbyn coalition will go for an ultra soft Brexit, he's not that fussed about immigration ... and perhaps, we'll avoid it altogether? What a laugh!

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/editorials/the-sudden-end-of-theresa-mays-leadership-offers-hope-of-a-different-brexit-a7780641.html

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, dick dasterdly said:

You clearly have no idea about my divided thoughts on the 'right' decision, despite not only my last post - but many other posts ....

Do you mean post as in fence post?

[AlexRich]

1 hour ago, dick dasterdly said:

Hard to know why May has lost so much support.

 

Was it coming out with the 'dementia tax' during the campaign - redirecting minds to the tories being the 'uncaring' party?  Not to mention both parents and children always being concerned about any loss of inheritance?

 

Is it because the electorate are beginning to support socialist policies again and were bad-tempered at Corbyn being so vilified by the media?

 

Is it because a number of people who didn't want to leave the EU (but didn't vote as they were sure the referendum would result in remain) have realised the necessity of voting?

 

All of the above, however, I think that we have seen the revenge of the Remainers, the young have came out is strength and have given the "hard Brexit" a kick into the long grass. May ignored the 48% and the one's the did not vote ... as did many commentators on here ... the "put up and shut up brigade". They've came back and kicked her in the teeth.

 

 

[citybiker]

I hope the Hung Parliament result be a lesson focused on UK politics.

 

SNP got a bloody nose, with indyref 2 totally kicked into touch.

 

Conservatives-DUP coalition with aims to ensure no and hard NI border and focus on acquiring a Brexit fit for purpose and strategically secure for the Country.

 

 

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[SheungWan]

48 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

I think its fairly safe to say that we'll end up in a worse position than that  prior to enacting article 50 - when May ends up with a reduced majority....

May hasn't got a reduced majority. She hasn't got an overall majority at all. However, the Tories still the largest single party.

[Johnyo]

Given the title of this thread I think it will be closed as it will become irrelevant.


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[SheungWan]

32 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

 

All of the above, however, I think that we have seen the revenge of the Remainers, the young have came out is strength and have given the "hard Brexit" a kick into the long grass. May ignored the 48% and the one's the did not vote ... as did many commentators on here ... the "put up and shut up brigade". They've came back and kicked her in the teeth.

 

PS Labour did not win.

[SheungWan]

3 minutes ago, Johnyo said:

Given the title of this thread I think it will be closed as it will become irrelevant.


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I do not think you can assume that at all.

[Johnyo]

I do not think you can assume that at all.

You think May will stay on?


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[AlexRich]

2 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

PS Labour did not win.

You think? Then why aren't the Tories out there celebrating? Brexit is in jeopardy. 

[dick dasterdly]

35 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Do you mean post as in fence post?

No, I said what I meant - divided thoughts about both the referendum and the general election.

 

You're right of course that those divided thoughts leave me 'on the fence' - but I get a bit annoyed when considering all angles is considered a fault.

[dick dasterdly]

It seems likely that "tough talks over brexit" is over.

 

We can now look forward to 'soft talks' as politicians do their best to ensure no brexit or the softest possible brexit.  i.e we still pay a lot of money to the EU/open immigration allowed - with perhaps an agreement to ensure that EU worker rights are not enforceable in the UK.

 

This will allow the EU to continue as normal, and Brit. politicians continue as normal.

 

In short - the worst of all possible outcomes re. the EU.

[pitrevie]

Merkel on being told the news

 

 

 

Edited June 9, 2017 by pitrevie

[AlexRich]

59 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

It seems likely that "tough talks over brexit" is over.

 

We can now look forward to 'soft talks' as politicians do their best to ensure no brexit or the softest possible brexit.  i.e we still pay a lot of money to the EU/open immigration allowed - with perhaps an agreement to ensure that EU worker rights are not enforceable in the UK.

 

This will allow the EU to continue as normal, and Brit. politicians continue as normal.

 

In short - the worst of all possible outcomes re. the EU.

 

We should never have voted for Brexit in the first place. The dumbest decision ever made by a British electorate.

[sandyf]

1 hour ago, AlexRich said:

 

All of the above, however, I think that we have seen the revenge of the Remainers, the young have came out is strength and have given the "hard Brexit" a kick into the long grass. May ignored the 48% and the one's the did not vote ... as did many commentators on here ... the "put up and shut up brigade". They've came back and kicked her in the teeth.

 

 

Shot herself in the foot and proved you can't keep voting to get the result you want.

[sujoop]

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 9, 2017 by sujoop

[mommysboy]

4 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

Hard to know why May has lost so much support.

 

Was it coming out with the 'dementia tax' during the campaign - redirecting minds to the tories being the 'uncaring' party?  Not to mention both parents and children always being concerned about any loss of inheritance?

 

Is it because the electorate are beginning to support socialist policies again and were bad-tempered at Corbyn being so vilified by the media?

 

Is it because a number of people who didn't want to leave the EU (but didn't vote as they were sure the referendum would result in remain) have realised the necessity of voting?

One telling comment from a punter on a Radio 4 street interview:

 

The more she speaks, the more I dislike her."

 

That's how I felt.

 

So what now?  A lame duck administration propped by the Unionists who represent a country that did not vote for Brexit.  What a shambles.  I sense a sea change in politics towards the left wing.  Yet we will have a right wing government, with a less popular leader, forging ahead with a hard right Brexit agenda.

[pitrevie]

Theresa May said to have no intention of resigning following UK election debacle. At least Cameron had the dignity to go.

[dick dasterdly]

1 hour ago, dick dasterdly said:

It seems likely that "tough talks over brexit" is over.

 

We can now look forward to 'soft talks' as politicians do their best to ensure no brexit or the softest possible brexit.  i.e we still pay a lot of money to the EU/open immigration allowed - with perhaps an agreement to ensure that EU worker rights are not enforceable in the UK.

 

This will allow the EU to continue as normal, and Brit. politicians continue as normal.

 

In short - the worst of all possible outcomes re. the EU.

 

55 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

 

We should never have voted for Brexit in the first place. The dumbest decision ever made by a British electorate.

Always good to read a responding post that ignores all the point made, preferring to rely on the points to which they would prefer to respond.

Edited June 9, 2017 by dick dasterdly

[dick dasterdly]

56 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

 

We should never have voted for Brexit in the first place. The dumbest decision ever made by a British electorate.

I doubt "we' (which would obviously include yourself) voted for brexit - perhaps you meant 'others' should never have voted for brexit?

[dick dasterdly]

But I agree - we're now screwed  and will get the worst of all possible worlds when it comes to 'negotiations'.

[pitrevie]

15 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

But I agree - we're now screwed  and will get the worst of all possible worlds when it comes to 'negotiations'.

That was always the case the Brexit side never knew what they wanted apart from OUT. They campaigned on a soft Brexit which turned into a hard Brexit which has turned into a shambles. Luckily for the UK the EU is going to implode any moment.

[jpinx]

43 minutes ago, pitrevie said:

Theresa May said to have no intention of resigning following UK election debacle. At least Cameron had the dignity to go.

I'd not disagree, but the stark reality is that there's absolutely nobody in the population of politicians who remotely appears to be capable of sorting this out.  

[pitrevie]

1 minute ago, jpinx said:

I'd not disagree, but the stark reality is that there's absolutely nobody in the population of politicians who remotely appears to be capable of sorting this out.  

It appears that people have forgotten that when you are in a hole you don't keep digging it deeper.

[mommysboy]

4 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

I think its fairly safe to say that we'll end up in a worse position than that  prior to enacting article 50 - when May ends up with a reduced majority....

Worse?  You want a hard Brexit?

[mommysboy]

3 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

No, I said what I meant - divided thoughts about both the referendum and the general election.

 

You're right of course that those divided thoughts leave me 'on the fence' - but I get a bit annoyed when considering all angles is considered a fault.

It can be if it ends up with endless procastrination.  Take it from a sufferer.

[mommysboy]

15 minutes ago, jpinx said:

I'd not disagree, but the stark reality is that there's absolutely nobody in the population of politicians who remotely appears to be capable of sorting this out.  

Eh! Corbyn is head and shoulders above the rest.  No Tory Politician: I'll agree on that, but clearly PM is not capable also; she's made an awful hash of Brexit so far.

[AlexRich]

57 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

 

Always good to read a responding post that ignores all the point made, preferring to rely on the points to which they would prefer to respond.

 

Thanks, you're welcome. 

54 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

I doubt "we' (which would obviously include yourself) voted for brexit - perhaps you meant 'others' should never have voted for brexit?

 

I should have said that the morons who voted for this will get none of the things the liars who asked for their vote promised them ... the dumbest decision ever made by a UK electorate.