9 minutes ago, vogie said:

Whilst the remainers like to go for the scaremongering approach, I tend to stick with reality. Most EU members would like the UK to remain a member, but for people like you it would spoil your heavy handed posts to admit it.

I think you're correct but as the date of separation approaches, they're also looking at the benefits it will bring to the EU.

Government to confirm two-year Parliament to deliver Brexit and beyond

2 hours ago, sandyf said:

Neither did it say "do you want complete separation from the EU", that is only a brexiteer interpretation.

Of course there is absolutely no possibility that anyone would want to be outside the EU but in the single market like some other countries, it must be all or nothing according to the gospel of Maggie May.

 

Look at it. How many interpretations of that are there?

 

No boiled eggs, hard or soft mentioned. Cameron, not May was PM at the time.

 

I didn't see any complaints about this until after the result, as with everything else.

2 hours ago, sandyf said:

Unfortunately there are large numbers that actually believe in the brexit "Plan", and anything less would go against this "will of the people".

 

"Complete separation where the EU has absolutely no influence over anything within the UK, but the UK retains all the benefits of membership at zero cost."

You must have a big shovel, digging up all that crap.

1 hour ago, ilostmypassword said:

Well, maybe you should read the Romanian, Estonian, and Finnish news websites, along with whatever languages the other 23 are written in, and get back to us with your report.

Damn that paperboy, he forgot to deliver my Eesti Express again!

 

6 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Look at it. How many interpretations of that are there?

 

No boiled eggs, hard or soft mentioned. Cameron, not May was PM at the time.

 

I didn't see any complaints about this until after the result, as with everything else.

There are numerous intepretations, to highlight just one,

did a vote to leave equate to leaving EURATOM

2 minutes ago, rockingrobin said:

There are numerous intepretations, to highlight just one,

did a vote to leave equate to leaving EURATOM

Look at the form again mate.

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Look at the form again mate.

I have looked at the form and my question remains, did a vote to leave the EU equate to leaving euratom

No Brexiteer has ever been able to give a water tight example of how Brexit will benefit me or any other Brit.

 

On examination, their argument falls apart

 

Sovereignty? We already have full sovereignty! Give me an example of a law forced upon us which harms us?

 

Immigration! EU immigration is not harmful. We already have "control" of our borders within the limits possible with a miserly Tory government. Use the rules already available to us. DONT alienate valuable immigrants as we are doing currently.

 

More trade! Who with? When? How? The USA? India? Saudi?

 

Look, the economy is now in a Goldilocks period with a low pound but while still in the EU. However inflation is rising quickly and is already outpacing wage increases.

 

So tell me "wise" Brexiteers, what's in it for me? What's in it for all of us?

 

Much better to pull together and get this sinking banana boat on an even keel!!!

11 hours ago, mommysboy said:

Usually nothing is that simple, but sometimes, just sometimes, it is as simple as that!

Very interesting but ?, Wolfgang! 

2 hours ago, sandyf said:

Point taken but the article was about dual citizenship in general not temporary residents in Thailand.

With British nationals looking for dual citizenship with places like Australia,US, Canada and Germany to gain  "increased freedom and human rights", what sort of message is being conveyed.

germany does not allow dual citizenship except for persons born after jan1, 1979 with at least one parent a German citizen.

14 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Look at the form again mate.

 

9 minutes ago, rockingrobin said:

I have looked at the form and my question remains, did a vote to leave the EU equate to leaving euratom

In addition one may cite the models of Norway and Switzerland. Neither of these countries are in the EU but provide examples of working with the EU. The Brexit referendum paper provides zero guidance on the matter and anybody who pretends that they are not aware of these issues and claims that it is an open and shut case is being disingenuous at best. Retreat to the bunker is all these guys know.

13 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

 

In addition one may cite the models of Norway and Switzerland. Neither of these countries are in the EU but provide examples of working with the EU. The Brexit referendum paper provides zero guidance on the matter and anybody who pretends that they are not aware of these issues and claims that it is an open and shut case is being disingenuous at best. Retreat to the bunker is all these guys know.

 

As they were never in the EU in the first place we would need to leave & then negotiate similar mutually agreeable positions in order to not be accused by either domestic side of not fully implementing the wish of the majority who voted last June.

 

Anything else would appear half-cocked.

 

Sky News reporting that the Sunday Times is suggesting that May has 10 days to sort things out or she'll be hit with a leadership challenge. Apparently, it is the minority Tory Brexiteers that are behind the plot, scared that their Brexit wet dream is slipping away from them.

 

Looks like we'll have internecine warfare from the Tories during the most important negotiations in my lifetime. Corbyn can sit safely on the sidelines and watch them - yet again - tear themselves apart over Europe.

 

Unintended consequences ... 

A report seen yesterday suggested McDonall was organizing a million strong march on London in July aimed at toppling the Govt.

 

Isn't this Osborne's rag?

 

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/john-mcdonnell-urges-one-million-people-to-join-london-march-and-force-a-new-election-a3566771.html

41 minutes ago, Grouse said:

No Brexiteer has ever been able to give a water tight example of how Brexit will benefit me or any other Brit.

 

On examination, their argument falls apart

 

Sovereignty? We already have full sovereignty! Give me an example of a law forced upon us which harms us?

 

Immigration! EU immigration is not harmful. We already have "control" of our borders within the limits possible with a miserly Tory government. Use the rules already available to us. DONT alienate valuable immigrants as we are doing currently.

 

More trade! Who with? When? How? The USA? India? Saudi?

 

Look, the economy is now in a Goldilocks period with a low pound but while still in the EU. However inflation is rising quickly and is already outpacing wage increases.

 

So tell me "wise" Brexiteers, what's in it for me? What's in it for all of us?

 

Much better to pull together and get this sinking banana boat on an even keel!!!

Dear Grouse,

 

I've given my reasons already and I'm not going through that again. The trading idea was good but the EU, as it is, is a corrupt, mismanaged, inefficient and failing project that allows far too much influence from global corporations. There seems to be no intent for serious reform of it. The ultimate aim is for a federal EU superstate which will eventually absorb the UK to become just a group of islands divided into EU regions.  

 

If the majority of British people wanted to lose their national identity, culture and inheritance that then I would accept it. But personally, I would be very sad. But I don't really think they do.

 

The kids have grown up with the EU around them and even as part of their studies. I understand that it is a shock for them that membership of the EU is even in question at all. But from what they say, a lot of them seem to think that the world will end outside the EU, indeed that the EU is the world itself! But I'm glad I meant plenty of young men and women in the UK last year that voted out - they have actually asked their own questions after serious study of the EU and realized what a sham it is! Good for them - they do not prioritize mobile roaming charges or cheap flights and holidays!

  

The global economic markets at the moment are primarily driven by sentiment, apart from the usual control by the big banks. The sentiment factor especially applies in Europe right now. If the process of leaving had been accepted and got on with, without continuous interference,and delay I think there would be much less volatility. But the EU will be better off to allow some kind of trading arrangement with the UK, and I think even they realize that. I hope that this can be agreed. 

 

But our "banana boat" is more likely to float, once the lines are cut, while the EU continues to ship water.

 

 

7 minutes ago, evadgib said:

 

As they were never in the EU in the first place we would need to leave & then negotiate similar mutually agreeable positions in order to not be accused by either domestic side of not fully implementing the wish of the majority who voted last June.

 

Anything else would appear half-cocked.

 

Well the government is hoping to complete both parts before March 2018. They would not be able to deliver a Leave and then make a separate deal after March 2018 with space in between.

6 minutes ago, evadgib said:

A report seen yesterday suggested McDonald was organizing a million strong march on London in July aimed at toppling the Govt.

That would have its own risks for Labour.

9 minutes ago, evadgib said:

A report seen yesterday suggested McDonald was organizing a million strong march on London in July aimed at toppling the Govt.

Thats what Trots do, McDonalds ideology is as twisted as a pigs tail.

57 minutes ago, rockingrobin said:

There are numerous intepretations, to highlight just one,

did a vote to leave equate to leaving EURATOM

As far as I know YES. But I see different reports about extended arrangements. You will have to find them for yourself.

4 minutes ago, vogie said:

Thats what Trots do, McDonalds ideology is as twisted as a pigs tail.

Isn't this Osborne's rag?

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/john-mcdonnell-urges-one-million-people-to-join-london-march-and-force-a-new-election-a3566771.html

3 hours ago, sandyf said:

Point taken but the article was about dual citizenship in general not temporary residents in Thailand.

With British nationals looking for dual citizenship with places like Australia,US, Canada and Germany to gain  "increased freedom and human rights", what sort of message is being conveyed.

 

The other thing is it means what people want it to mean, and for the majority that does not mean hard Brexit!

 

In all honesty, as far as I can tell soft Brexit is a myth: it doesnt exist.

 

So, out it is and the only consolation is the Tories will be out of power for decades after this.

 

(Edit: reply to posting about what Brexit means).

8 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Isn't this Osborne's rag?

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/john-mcdonnell-urges-one-million-people-to-join-london-march-and-force-a-new-election-a3566771.html

There are many papers quoting it, in a nutshell McDonald is an idiot.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/817529/Labour-million-march-street-Jeremy-Corbyn-election-result-John-McDonnell

7 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Isn't this Osborne's rag?

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/john-mcdonnell-urges-one-million-people-to-join-london-march-and-force-a-new-election-a3566771.html

No. Same owner as The Independent. The London Evening Standard is the last remaining London evening paper and is now a freebie. Very successful and an entertaining read. http://www.standard.co.uk/

13 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Isn't this Osborne's rag?

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/john-mcdonnell-urges-one-million-people-to-join-london-march-and-force-a-new-election-a3566771.html

Yes, The Osborne Standard 

LOL

1 hour ago, rockingrobin said:

I have looked at the form and my question remains, did a vote to leave the EU equate to leaving euratom

 

How about Europol? How many of those who voted are even aware of these organisations among many which the UK will probably want to remain part of?

 

What are the decentralised agencies?

These agencies have been set up by the EU to perform technical and scientific tasks that help the EU institutions implement policies and take decisions. They are spread across the EU.

 

What do they do?

They work on issues and problems affecting the everyday lives of the 500m people living in the EU. They have a major impact, providing EU institutions and countries with specialised knowledge in areas as diverse as:

• the food we eat
• our medicines
• the chemicals we come into contact with
• our education
• the quality of our working lives & environment
• justice
• transport safety
• security
• our fundamental rights
• knowledge
• provide services to members of the public and industry.
  
  I suppose OUT means OUT

31 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Dear Grouse,

 

I've given my reasons already and I'm not going through that again. The trading idea was good but the EU, as it is, is a corrupt, mismanaged, inefficient and failing project that allows far too much influence from global corporations. There seems to be no intent for serious reform of it. The ultimate aim is for a federal EU superstate which will eventually absorb the UK to become just a group of islands divided into EU regions.  

 

If the majority of British people wanted to lose their national identity, culture and inheritance that then I would accept it. But personally, I would be very sad. But I don't really think they do.

 

The kids have grown up with the EU around them and even as part of their studies. I understand that it is a shock for them that membership of the EU is even in question at all. But from what they say, a lot of them seem to think that the world will end outside the EU, indeed that the EU is the world itself! But I'm glad I meant plenty of young men and women in the UK last year that voted out - they have actually asked their own questions after serious study of the EU and realized what a sham it is! Good for them - they do not prioritize mobile roaming charges or cheap flights and holidays!

  

The global economic markets at the moment are primarily driven by sentiment, apart from the usual control by the big banks. The sentiment factor especially applies in Europe right now. If the process of leaving had been accepted and got on with, without continuous interference,and delay I think there would be much less volatility. But the EU will be better off to allow some kind of trading arrangement with the UK, and I think even they realize that. I hope that this can be agreed. 

 

But our "banana boat" is more likely to float, once the lines are cut, while the EU continues to ship water.

 

 

But I'm glad I meant met plenty of young men and women in the UK last year that voted out

3 minutes ago, pitrevie said:

 

How about Europol? How many of those who voted are even aware of these organisations among many which the UK will probably want to remain part of?

 

What are the decentralised agencies?

These agencies have been set up by the EU to perform technical and scientific tasks that help the EU institutions implement policies and take decisions. They are spread across the EU.

 

What do they do?

They work on issues and problems affecting the everyday lives of the 500m people living in the EU. They have a major impact, providing EU institutions and countries with specialised knowledge in areas as diverse as:

• the food we eat
• our medicines
• the chemicals we come into contact with
• our education
• the quality of our working lives & environment
• justice
• transport safety
• security
• our fundamental rights
• knowledge
• provide services to members of the public and industry.
  
  I suppose OUT means OUT

So you mean that the UK could not do all this for itself? 

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

But I'm glad I meant met plenty of young men and women in the UK last year that voted out

But I bet you meet more that voted remain or did not vote...

5 minutes ago, nauseus said:

But I'm glad I meant met plenty of young men and women in the UK last year that voted out

 

1 minute ago, Basil B said:

But I bet you meet more that voted remain or did not vote...

Unfortunately he can't afford the fare to London.