May ready for tough talks over Brexit

[dick dasterdly]

3 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

Good on them.  I did a bit of menial work and it didn't do me any harm whatsoever.  I really can't see why jobs like this should really come under labour law, except for health and safety.  Flexibility is needed in everything.

It comes under 'labour law'?

 

I'm obviously falling into a trap here - but there was nothing wrong with poor brit families supplementing their income by picking fruit and veg - or their children earning pocket money by doing the same.

[dick dasterdly]

How depressing is it that we're back to arguing about fruit and veg pickers.....

 

Thanks bbc......

[SheungWan]

44 minutes ago, Flustered said:

When you read the posts of the REMAINERS , it is hard to understand why they take a stance against the UK rather than supporting it.

 

If I felt strongly enough about an issue such as remaining in the EU, I would leave the UK and settle in Europe.

 

Oh, hold on a minute, I do which is why my aim is to settle full time in Thailand.

 

I just want to get away from all of the open door policies and socialist projects which will be the main theme of Jeremy Corbyn and comrades if they ever get into power which looks likely now he has worked out that by promising free cake to day, free cake tomorrow and free cake everyday all paid for by borrowing and increased taxes gets votes from  the plebs.

Such an unhappy life in the provinces.

[Flustered]

Usual informative post from the Strawman. Full of content and on thread subject.

[AlexRich]

2 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

Why on earth would the skilled that have been offered well paid jobs before leaving their own countries,  decide to leave??

 

We've done the veg/fruit pickers discussion to death in other threads.....  In short, it used to be done by poor brit families that needed to supplement their income - until farmers found a cheaper source of labour.....

They already are leaving ... the skilled can always work elsewhere, and why on earth would they want to stay in a country that objects to their presence? Brexit supporters effectively told every foreigner that they are not welcome here ... you only have to look at the various interviews of "salt of the earth" Brits who were happy to espouse their view that the country would benefit greatly from "getting rid of them immigrants" ... did you really imagine that it's just the ones you don't want that would leave? Hence the every increasing vacancies for NHS staff as foreigners leave and/ or don't apply. Who can blame them?

[AlexRich]

1 hour ago, Laughing Gravy said:

It has been mentioned many times but the idea about many  people who voted for brexit was about 'controlled immigration' allowing those skills that we needed in and not just from the EU. Many people forget that the open door immigration allowing many eastern Europeans in the UK are often taken in with mafia style gangs, their wages taken off them or vastly reduced and basically exploited. Controlled immigration would vastly reduce this. The idea is for the benefit of the migrants as,well as for the UK people. The narrative given out here and in the media is we need low paid, low skilled workers to service with pickers, waiting staff , careers etc is sad really IMHO. Having better paid , British people doing these jobs first would be better. After all we have 1.6 million on unemployment benefits.

 

As for the reliance on the NHS and foreign workers I think, is a national disgrace. The standard I have heard from friends, in the NHS is very dubious. Many of the nurses and doctors have poor English skills and they make mistakes often with medicine and important decisions with some of them been overlooked on important issues, from their Britishn counterparts. Again this is from friends who work in the NHS, so please don't say source. Their work ethic isn't in question. Their professional standard is. Other countries like the Australia, New Zealand and the Philippines have better English speaking nurses and doctors as an example.

 

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11297761/Number-of-foreign-nurses-surges.html

 

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/594368/NHS-hospital-britons-abroad-recruits-nurses

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-14921565

 

So you voted Brexit to stop poor European migrants being exploited? Bless!

[AlexRich]

42 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

It comes under 'labour law'?

 

I'm obviously falling into a trap here - but there was nothing wrong with poor brit families supplementing their income by picking fruit and veg - or their children earning pocket money by doing the same.

The only issue is that they no longer want to do it ... anymore than the youngsters of today have ambition to work on the loom, become chimney sweeps or join Fagin's gang of pickpockets in London ... so why put British fruit and veg farmers out of business? We'll have to buy from outside the UK so that you can indulge in some halcyon day fantasy from your youth ... that's the issue with Brexit, it's all about going back to some wonderful past that never existed.

[Flustered]

3 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

that's the issue with Brexit, it's all about going back to some wonderful past that never existed.

Actually, it did.

 

It was all pre Roy Jenkins days.

[Grouse]

7 hours ago, nontabury said:

Germany has had the advantage of not paying its fair share of the defense budget. Big saving on their part. One suggestion, if the EU Bureacrats insist on the U.K. Continuing to subsidizing the E.U. After Brexit.  Then the U.K. Should reduce its contributions to NATO. After all, Russia is a far greater threat to,Germany than to the U.K.

I didn't realize Germany now has a nuclear deterrent

 

If you want Germany to spend 2% of three trillion USD on defence each year, fine. Do you know how many Leopard 2 tanks can be bought for 60 billion USD per annum? 120. Do you know how many they can make with "low cost East European labour"? A hell of a lot more!! Be careful what you wish for.

 

Remember Germany doesn't consider itself a global power as we do.

 

Why don't we just get a bit smarter?

Edited June 22, 2017 by Grouse

[Grouse]

3 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

 

I'm missing something here - by "growers", are you referring to farmers finding those prepared to 'pick'  their fruit/veg?

 

Well according to Farming Today, the correct term is growers. Specifically soft fruit and salad vegetable growers. I wouldn't know the difference personally. Maybe a farmer in his Fordson Major looks down on a salad grower with his little radish? I don't know. They people questions advertise locally and also in east europe. A chap said he got a British worker five years ago. Worked 1 day and gave up. Said the work wasn't for him.

 

I know where rocket comes from and parmesan and crispy bacon. The croutons are no big deal and olive oil comes from Italy. BUT Where do the Caesars come from? Rome?

[Grouse]

3 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

It has been mentioned many times but the idea about many  people who voted for brexit was about 'controlled immigration' allowing those skills that we needed in and not just from the EU. Many people forget that the open door immigration allowing many eastern Europeans in the UK are often taken in with mafia style gangs, their wages taken off them or vastly reduced and basically exploited. Controlled immigration would vastly reduce this. The idea is for the benefit of the migrants as,well as for the UK people. The narrative given out here and in the media is we need low paid, low skilled workers to service with pickers, waiting staff , careers etc is sad really IMHO. Having better paid , British people doing these jobs first would be better. After all we have 1.6 million on unemployment benefits.

 

As for the reliance on the NHS and foreign workers I think, is a national disgrace. The standard I have heard from friends, in the NHS is very dubious. Many of the nurses and doctors have poor English skills and they make mistakes often with medicine and important decisions with some of them been overlooked on important issues, from their Britishn counterparts. Again this is from friends who work in the NHS, so please don't say source. Their work ethic isn't in question. Their professional standard is. Other countries like the Australia, New Zealand and the Philippines have better English speaking nurses and doctors as an example.

 

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11297761/Number-of-foreign-nurses-surges.html

 

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/594368/NHS-hospital-britons-abroad-recruits-nurses

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-14921565

 

There were plenty of actions that could (should) have been taken to reduce the rate of EU immigration. The government are to blame for not doing so.

 

Economists reckon that <5% is equivalent to full employment. We're there now

 

I wasn't aware that EU medical staff were sub standard?

 

What about staff from the sub-continent (or the incontinent for that matter)

[Grouse]

3 hours ago, rockingrobin said:

Agriculture seasonal workers have a rich history in the UK, with the quota system abolished in 2013

 

http://theconversation.com/who-picked-british-fruit-and-veg-before-migrant-workers-63279

Theresa's government claim there is no evidence that reintroducing the temporary workers quota scheme would be helpful at this time - To quote a Farming Today farmer / grower / radish

[Grouse]

3 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

And the bbc is still going on about the horror of brit farmers having to lose a large number of 'slave labour' type imported cheap staff !

The minimum wage is slave labour? Explain!

 

I thought slaves could not leave?

 

They're leaving now and not coming back

 

GBP weakness and English nastiness sad to say

[Grouse]

2 hours ago, Khun Han said:

 

The beeb has always been the leading edge, and main mouthpiece of Project Fear. Even FC's such as Jon Head push the remain argument hard on twitter.

Yes, the problem is that the BEEB employ particularly bright, well educated people. How does ITV and Sky compare? Not quite my thing you see....

[Grouse]

2 hours ago, Flustered said:

When you read the posts of the REMAINERS , it is hard to understand why they take a stance against the UK rather than supporting it.

 

If I felt strongly enough about an issue such as remaining in the EU, I would leave the UK and settle in Europe.

 

Oh, hold on a minute, I do which is why my aim is to settle full time in Thailand.

 

I just want to get away from all of the open door policies and socialist projects which will be the main theme of Jeremy Corbyn and comrades if they ever get into power which looks likely now he has worked out that by promising free cake to day, free cake tomorrow and free cake everyday all paid for by borrowing and increased taxes gets votes from  the plebs.

Which EU country has been fortunate enough to have been favored by you?

 

Ill tell you one thing, I was horrified to see the dreadful Abbott back on the front bench. Corbyn stands NO chance now....

 

I am not anti UK but I am embarrassed and indeed horrified by the direction it is being led.

[Grouse]

2 hours ago, mommysboy said:

Good on them.  I did a bit of menial work and it didn't do me any harm whatsoever.  I really can't see why jobs like this should really come under labour law, except for health and safety.  Flexibility is needed in everything.

Flexibility is definitely required when picking vegetables, snagging turnips or spud bashing. Thats the only reason I don't do it. The wife's OK though.....

[Kwasaki]

4 hours ago, lamyai3 said:

I was talking about what might have been - hence my use of the past tense. In any event May is now a lame duck. 

Well l'm not an English multi billion-air so we will just have wait and see won't we mush.

l find it amusing when about 350 or so protesters outside the houses of parliament think like an idiot like Corbyn can think they can change anything,  it's so pitiful. 

[Khun Han]

4 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

Its just depressing that the beeb is so obvious in its bias .

 

I've mostly stood up for the bbc, but finally understand just how biased they can be.....

 

Just caught BBC Radio One news. Headline story about May's announcement of over 600 tower blocks having the deadly cladding. Cut straight to a soundbyte from Corbyn offering solutions going forward. No attempt to present May's own plans wrt this that I'd heard on an independent radio news bulletin earlier. They're not even trying to be subtle about it now.

[Khun Han]

53 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

Just caught BBC Radio One news. Headline story about May's announcement of over 600 tower blocks having the deadly cladding. Cut straight to a soundbyte from Corbyn offering solutions going forward. No attempt to present May's own plans wrt this that I'd heard on an independent radio news bulletin earlier. They're not even trying to be subtle about it now.

 

They must be monitoring this : the latest bulletin has a soundbyte from May's statement.

[Kwasaki]

1 hour ago, Khun Han said:

 

Just caught BBC Radio One news. Headline story about May's announcement of over 600 tower blocks having the deadly cladding. Cut straight to a soundbyte from Corbyn offering solutions going forward. No attempt to present May's own plans wrt this that I'd heard on an independent radio news bulletin earlier. They're not even trying to be subtle about it now.

Well what do expect from a gov Tv station that operates on the bases of pre-interviews and they slate RT as proper-gander station,  what a joke. 

[Flustered]

4 hours ago, Grouse said:

Flexibility is definitely required when picking vegetables, snagging turnips or spud bashing. Thats the only reason I don't do it. The wife's OK though.....

Try combining your posts or using multiple quotes.

 

8 posts on the trot is way over the top and unreadable.

[Grouse]

Just now, Flustered said:

Try combining your posts or using multiple quotes.

 

8 posts on the trot is way over the top and unreadable.

Sorry, responding as I read them

[nauseus]

7 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

I agree.  Unfortunately the small farmer in the uk has pretty much disappeared and its now a wealthy industry......

 

France have managed to protect their small farmers - whereas brit politicians preferred to support big farm industry?

French farmers are massively subsidized, due to the biased CAP!

[Flustered]

3 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Sorry, responding as I read them

Honestly, my eyes blurred over at the sight of so many grouses in a row. I felt like looking for my shot gun.

[nauseus]

6 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

How depressing is it that we're back to arguing about fruit and veg pickers.....

 

Thanks bbc......

Bananas here .. I get the pick of the bunch!

[Flustered]

4 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Bananas here .. I get the pick of the bunch!

And I couldn't care less. We are self sufficient in fruit, veg, eggs and chickens.

 

Benefit of living in God's County and not the smoke.

[nauseus]

11 minutes ago, Flustered said:

And I couldn't care less. We are self sufficient in fruit, veg, eggs and chickens.

 

Benefit of living in God's County and not the smoke.

Just jesting but never mind - glad you have got your food.

[SheungWan]

17 minutes ago, Flustered said:

And I couldn't care less. We are self sufficient in fruit, veg, eggs and chickens.

 

Benefit of living in God's County and not the smoke.

Throw in a couple of sheep and you can knit your own jumpers as well.

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, Grouse said:

Which EU country has been fortunate enough to have been favored by you?

 

Ill tell you one thing, I was horrified to see the dreadful Abbott back on the front bench. Corbyn stands NO chance now....

 

I am not anti UK but I am embarrassed and indeed horrified by the direction it is being led.

I think that the return of DA should earn a  email from Theresa! 

[nauseus]

1 minute ago, SheungWan said:

Throw in a couple of sheep and you can knit your own jumpers as well.

Quite  brilliant post.