May ready for tough talks over Brexit

[Grouse]

2 minutes ago, aright said:

Are you Ronald McDonald?

This is a philosophical discussion; is there nothing on ITV?

[aright]

31 minutes ago, Grouse said:

This is a philosophical discussion; is there nothing on ITV?

[Srikcir]

59 minutes ago, Grouse said:

the elderly are frequently alienated and their skills undervalued.

That's not a trend that seems to be happening in the UK:

"Against a backdrop of low birth rates and increasing average life expectancies, these trends will lead to greater pressure on the working-age population to support retirees, financially and through care. One way to help to reduce this pressure would be to encourage workers to delay retirement and remain in the labour market for longer if they are able and willing to do so." (underline added)

An Aging Workforce, Houses of Parliament, Parliamentary Office of Science & Technology:

POST-PN-391(3).pdf

[aright]

1 hour ago, Grouse said:

I was referring specifically to respect for and care of family seniors.

 

 

1 hour ago, Grouse said:

 

But the point that I was making is that (with particular reference to the UK), the elderly are frequently alienated and their skills undervalued.

Can you explain why you think we have less respect and care for family seniors and how we alienate and undervalue their skills?

[Jip99]

3 minutes ago, aright said:

 

Can you explain why you think we have less respect and care for family seniors and how we alienate and undervalue their skills?

 

 

Just speaking personally, I can confirm that I have respect for family elders (“Yai” in my UK family has the same status/respect as Yai in my Thai family has)... and I do not alienate them or undervalue their skills etc.

[ilostmypassword]

21 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

Just speaking personally, I can confirm that I have respect for family elders (“Yai” in my UK family has the same status/respect as Yai in my Thai family has)... and I do not alienate them or undervalue their skills etc.

Problem solved!

[nontabury]

9 hours ago, metisdead said:

Off topic posts and replies have been removed. 

 ‘‘Tis the season of goodwill to all fellow Brits. 

Hopefully we will get what we wish for.

 

 

[Jip99]

41 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

Problem solved!

 

 

What problem?

 

....Houston, we have a problem?

[jenny2017]

6 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

What problem?

 

....Houston, we have a problem?

Ney, Berlin and Paris will soon have a couple of problems after Brexit. Germany should do the same and use their old currency Deutschmark again. Problem solved. 

Edited December 23, 2017 by jenny2017

[aright]

1 hour ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

Just speaking personally, I can confirm that I have respect for family elders (“Yai” in my UK family has the same status/respect as Yai in my Thai family has)... and I do not alienate them or undervalue their skills etc.

Yes I'm the same on the basis of my family experience. In a broader church however...my rugby club, and there is no broader demograph,( Hod carriers for front row forwards and shifty Solicitors for wingers) I know of no one who disrepects or undervalues family elders. We do however find it difficult finding Hod carriers for our lady's team. In fact we wouldn't be as good as we are as players and people if it were not for the mentoring and advice of our oldest members. This would also be true of my businesses where I try to stay professionally close to all my employees.

On a more pragmatic level all our elderly are embraced by a benefits system which they can use if they choose to do so. You can't say that about Thailand. I think Thais are caring of their relative elders as a result of needs must but I don't criticize them for that.

I'm sure Grouse has his reasons however.

[nontabury]

1 minute ago, jenny2017 said:

Ney, Berlin and Paris will soon have a couple of problems after Brexit. Germany should do the same and use their old currency Deutschmark again. Problem solved. 

Possible. The Bild newspaper recently commissioned a poll on that very subject.

Interestingly the majority of Germans were very favorable to the idea.

[jenny2017]

1 minute ago, nontabury said:

Possible. The Bild newspaper recently commissioned a poll on that very subject.

Interestingly the majority of Germans were very favorable to the idea.

Sorry, but you can't call the Bild an honest newspaper. The readers are usually uneducated factory workers who'd believe everything they write. 

 

  But I'm sure that the idea would help Germans to stop a system that doesn't work. Also called European Union. 

[talahtnut]

18 hours ago, Grouse said:

OK, I see that

 

The point I was making was that with higher infant survival rates and a movement from the land to the cities, the requirement for large families is mitigated (subject to religious distortions)

 

But the point that I was making is that (with particular reference to the UK), the elderly are frequently alienated and their skills undervalued.

In UK 3 out of 4 oldies suffer loneliness, or kids stuff oldies in a home out of the way.  Waiting to share collar the assets. I think there is more respect in Thailand.

[billd766]

2 hours ago, jenny2017 said:

Sorry, but you can't call the Bild an honest newspaper. The readers are usually uneducated factory workers who'd believe everything they write. 

 

  But I'm sure that the idea would help Germans to stop a system that doesn't work. Also called European Union. 

 

How very condescending of you to refer to the readers of Bild as uneducated instead of stupid because they read that newspaper.

 

Do you have the same feeling for the readers of the popular papers in the UK such as th Sun, Mirror, Mail or the Express?

 

Would you say that the Guardian or the Independent are honest newspapers?

[jenny2017]

3 minutes ago, billd766 said:

 

How very condescending of you to refer to the readers of Bild as uneducated instead of stupid because they read that newspaper.

 

Do you have the same feeling for the readers of the popular papers in the UK such as th Sun, Mirror, Mail or the Express?

 

Would you say that the Guardian or the Independent are honest newspapers?

Sorry, but I can't form an opinion on newspapers I haven't read.

If a newspaper has the same setup with strange, often not true stories, and  some half naked girls on them, they can't be much different to Bild. 

Edited December 23, 2017 by jenny2017

[billd766]

1 minute ago, jenny2017 said:

Sorry, but I can't form an opinion on newspapers I haven't read.

 

So you read the Bild but not any of at least 6 UK newspapers.

 

Are you even from the UK?

[Grouse]

53 minutes ago, billd766 said:

 

How very condescending of you to refer to the readers of Bild as uneducated instead of stupid because they read that newspaper.

 

Do you have the same feeling for the readers of the popular papers in the UK such as th Sun, Mirror, Mail or the Express?

 

Would you say that the Guardian or the Independent are honest newspapers?

Compared to the Red tops, yes! Without hesitation. ( can someone forward to billd in a bottle? He's very sensitive and isn't man enough to take criticism!)

[bert bloggs]

12 hours ago, billd766 said:

 

How very condescending of you to refer to the readers of Bild as uneducated instead of stupid because they read that newspaper.

 

Do you have the same feeling for the readers of the popular papers in the UK such as th Sun, Mirror, Mail or the Express?

 

Would you say that the Guardian or the Independent are honest newspapers?

No i wouldn't ,they all have their own agenda ,

[simoh1490]

12 hours ago, billd766 said:

 

How very condescending of you to refer to the readers of Bild as uneducated instead of stupid because they read that newspaper.

 

Do you have the same feeling for the readers of the popular papers in the UK such as th Sun, Mirror, Mail or the Express?

 

Would you say that the Guardian or the Independent are honest newspapers?

Yes and yes (as in more factual than the alternatives), and it's been proven endless times, several times in this thread regarding the degree to which tabloids present nonsense news that is wholly unreliable or worse - Bild is of the same ilk.

[nauseus]

8 minutes ago, simoh1490 said:

Yes and yes (as in more factual than the alternatives), and it's been proven endless times, several times in this thread regarding the degree to which tabloids present nonsense news that is wholly unreliable or worse - Bild is of the same ilk.

Yes, a good, honest, independent view, proven too!

[SheungWan]

3 hours ago, bert bloggs said:

No i wouldn't ,they all have their own agenda ,

Has proved to be very useful cover in particular for extremists who do not/cannot/will not read very much at all other than loopy websites.

[talahtnut]

15 hours ago, SheungWan said:

Has proved to be very useful cover in particular for extremists who do not/cannot/will not read very much at all other than loopy websites.

We are privileged with the internet; we can look up and find any raw documents, speeches, videos of anything the news outlets are reporting on. You're not subjected to anyone's opinions and your own are left to form your own.

[SheungWan]

32 minutes ago, talahtnut said:

We are privileged with the internet; we can look up and find any raw documents, speeches, videos of anything the news outlets are reporting on. You're not subjected to anyone's opinions and your own are left to form your own.

But mostly confine themselves with the loopy stuff. Too lazy and too uneducated to research anything more but kid themselves that they have.

[aright]

I hate it when skinny people call themselves fat just to get complements.

Just shut up and eat that sandwich.

[talahtnut]

15 hours ago, SheungWan said:

But mostly confine themselves with the loopy stuff. Too lazy and too uneducated to research anything more but kid themselves that they have.

That's quite amusing really, when you consider that certain government members seem busy on the internet, researching porn.

Would they be classed as lazy and uneducated?

Being able to see raw documents and speeches is preferable to someone else's second hand words in any newsrag.

[Grouse]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yule

 

Some seasonal cheer!

 

God Jul!

 

And thanks to the Germans for introducing the Christmas tree and Christmas cards to us!

Edited December 24, 2017 by Grouse

[Grouse]

 

 

Some more seasonal cheer!

 

Breugel is my favourite!

 

 

Edited December 24, 2017 by Grouse

[aright]

14 minutes ago, Grouse said:

 

 

Some more seasonal cheer!

 

Breugel is my favourite!

 

 

I love a good cheese at Christmas

[sandyf]

On 12/23/2017 at 2:45 AM, Khun Han said:

 

National governments are formed through a mandate from their electorate. The EU commission is formed without any public mandate whatsoever. Who are the majority grouping of like-minded politicians on the EU commission? What are their political leanings? Does anybody actually know?

EU commissioners are nominated by the EU council, heads of state and for the UK that is the Prime Minister, nominations must then be approved by the EU parliament, elected by the general public of the member states.

It is no wonder the country is in such a mess when brexiteers have so little basic understanding of the EU. If you wish to know the political leanings of the UK EU commissioner, ask David Cameron, he chose him.

 

How many of the UK electorate actually voted for TM to be Prime Minister and how many of the UK cabinet appointments were approved by the UK parliament.

The UK government, as opposed to parliament, is effectively an autocracy as a prime ministerial regime, but of course that is perceived by some as more democratic than the parliamentary approval method in the EU.

[simoh1490]

45 minutes ago, Grouse said:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yule

 

Some seasonal cheer!

 

God Jul!

 

And thanks to the Germans for introducing the Christmas tree and Christmas cards to us!

Merry Xmas Grouse! Perhaps we can persuade the Brexiteer mob to put down their keyboards and come join us for a game of footle in no man's land.