Revo/Hilux Tipover

[eaustev]

Fortunately we rarely encounter a moose on Thai highways.

 

http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/toyota-hilux-fails-swedish-moose-test-20161026-gsbqnl.html

[pgrahmm]

I saw that also....The Jeep Grand Cherokee also - the testers advised against buying one - Jeep.....

Toyota uses a negative offset wheels for some reason.....

 

I wondered if someone put a + 2 set of wheels (like Pajero) on there if it would improve this....I've done it on some 4x4's and the positive handling characteristics change was off the charts.....

[stevenl]

Didn't the same thing happen 20 odd years ago?

[fullcave]

Yes, I saw that and although I never rolled our old Hilux avoiding moose or samlaw it's not exactly a selling point..

[DavisH]

12 hours ago, pgrahmm said:

I saw that also....The Jeep Grand Cherokee also - the testers advised against buying one - Jeep.....

Toyota uses a negative offset wheels for some reason.....

 

I wondered if someone put a + 2 set of wheels (like Pajero) on there if it would improve this....I've done it on some 4x4's and the positive handling characteristics change was off the charts.....

They showed in the video that smaller wheels helped a little bit. 

 

It does not help that the revo has almost 30cm of ground clearance either - this is significantly more than the competitors....but the vigo had the same problem so I don't know if it's an issue. I wonder if the fortuner would suffer the same?

[canthai55]

Gotta love their reasoning - it rolled over because the tires had too much traction !!!  What a joke !!!   Poor design if it can't do an evasive maneuver at 60k - what would happen if you tried at 100k  Flip right over probably. 

[cumgranosalum]

Yes - after nine years the Toyota Hi-lux/vigo whatever is still failing the Moose test.

Moose Test

 

I find this very surprising from Toyota - it doesn't of course refer to all models - it seems to be the "hi-rise" 2WD that appears to have the problem.

 

however it does show that ALL PICKUP ARE VERY PRIMITIVE VEHICLES WHEN IT COMES TO BOTH ACTIVE AND PASSIVE SAFETY.

 

 

[Don Mega]

Isnt the chassis under the REVO carried over from the VIGO ?

[cumgranosalum]

34 minutes ago, Don Mega said:

Isnt the chassis under the REVO carried over from the VIGO ?

As far as I know Toyota have 2 main chassis they use for SUVs and pickups - the Vigo/Fortuna/Inova range and the one used for US models like the Surf and Prado and US pickups.

 

[Don Mega]

12 minutes ago, cumgranosalum said:

As far as I know Toyota have 2 main chassis they use for SUVs and pickups - the Vigo/Fortuna/Inova range and the one used for US models like the Surf and Prado and US pickups.

 

thats correct but what I was getting at is the "All new REVO" aint all new and if the old VIGO wanted to tip over in the moose test it stands to reason the new REVO would as well.

[Ace of Pop]

These trucks should have a warning sticker like Cigarets.They tumble over too easy..


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[cumgranosalum]

1 hour ago, Don Mega said:

thats correct but what I was getting at is the "All new REVO" aint all new and if the old VIGO wanted to tip over in the moose test it stands to reason the new REVO would as well.

Not just down to Chassis, it's how the suspension and running gear is set up.

[Don Mega]

18 minutes ago, cumgranosalum said:

Not just down to Chassis, it's how the suspension and running gear is set up.

 

Yeah when I said chassis suspension was implied.  but thanks for telling me anyways.

[cumgranosalum]

3 hours ago, Don Mega said:

 

Yeah when I said chassis suspension was implied.  but thanks for telling me anyways.

so Toyota have played around with suspension and still not fixed the problem....the track, wheel size on these vehicles varies from model to model.

[JaseTheBass]

Yes - after nine years the Toyota Hi-lux/vigo whatever is still failing the Moose test.
Moose Test
 
I find this very surprising from Toyota - it doesn't of course refer to all models - it seems to be the "hi-rise" 2WD that appears to have the problem.
 
however it does show that ALL PICKUP ARE VERY PRIMITIVE VEHICLES WHEN IT COMES TO BOTH ACTIVE AND PASSIVE SAFETY.
 
 

So you're saying all Thai pickups fail the moose test?

[cumgranosalum]

37 minutes ago, JaseTheBass said:

 

So you're saying all Thai pickups fail the moose test?

 

Really where?

[JaseTheBass]

Really where?

After a reread I see that you're saying all pickups are primitive with regard to safety even though they're not. Of all cars available here for normal money the Wildtrak is one of the safest vehicles you can buy.

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[seedy]

Bickering posts removed.

 

Disagree - state your case. Keep the personal attacks off this Forum

[harrry]

As far as the tyres are concerned those of us who can remember the FJ Holden will recall that those who put winter tread tyres on their vehicles (which was a fashion craze as was the Moon sticker on the back window) had many more accidents.  It turned out the greater grip of the tyres made them much more prone to single vehicle accidents.

[Kwasaki]

On 10/27/2016 at 11:28 PM, fullcave said:

Yes, I saw that and although I never rolled our old Hilux avoiding moose or samlaw it's not exactly a selling point..

 

You asked me a question on a topic closed now,  not having read through all, didn't take note of what Vigo / Revo was tested.

My Vigo was 4WD it was the first car type truck l had own after testing all others on offer.

On receiving the truck l put the 29 psi in the tyres on the way home it had 50 psi to cut a story after a while getting use to it l wanted better road holding.

l changed out the suspension to a better quality than OEM  and also spaced the wheels, also when checked it was found that the 4 wheel tracking set up was not set up as a 4WD.

Once all done but not by our poxy Toyota dealer l liked it.   

[BSJ]

Maybe it's time the Thai's introduced the chang test for when those pesky beasts are hanging around on the road.

 

Or the avoid granny test for when .......well for everything really!

 

[cumgranosalum]

On 10/29/2016 at 11:01 AM, JaseTheBass said:

 

After a reread I see that you're saying all pickups are primitive with regard to safety even though they're not. Of all cars available here for normal money the Wildtrak is one of the safest vehicles you can buy.

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You are mis-informed - it is a chassis-based pickup with all the concomitant flaws that accompany that kind of vehicle - not only relatively dangerous to the occupants but also to other road users.  It has high CoG and poor shock absorption - both passive and active safety features are  impaired by this type of construction.

[Don Mega]

20 minutes ago, cumgranosalum said:

You are mis-informed - it is a chassis-based pickup with all the concomitant flaws that accompany that kind of vehicle - not only relatively dangerous to the occupants but also to other road users.  It has high CoG and poor shock absorption - both passive and active safety features are  impaired by this type of construction.

 

And yet it is only toyota that struggles with the moose test.

[raffo77]

i remember that the merc class a also failed this test. was big news back then

[Ace of Pop]

Maybe it's time the Thai's introduced the chang test for when those pesky beasts are hanging around on the road.
 
Or the avoid granny test for when .......well for everything really!
 

What about a Rolled Truck Test .Avoiding another Inverted Cart.I like Mooses.[emoji238]


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[cumgranosalum]

16 hours ago, Don Mega said:

 

And yet it is only toyota that struggles with the moose test.

Actually that's not quite right other vehicles have failed (you DO understand the principles behind the test?). Part of the problem is that for one reason or another the Toyota model STILL fails the test after 9 years. 

Furthermore if you think the moose testis the sole criterion for vehicle safety, I think you need to review your understanding of the issue as a whole

[MYKTHEMIN]

In my opinion this is a worthless test, and may be applicable to 1% of the owners, if most people swerved this hard they would be in the ditch/hedge on the side they swerved towards, or hit the vehicle head on coming towards them, just stupid, if you are driving aware of your surroundings you should never have to swerve like this.

[cumgranosalum]

7 hours ago, MYKTHEMIN said:

In my opinion this is a worthless test, and may be applicable to 1% of the owners, if most people swerved this hard they would be in the ditch/hedge on the side they swerved towards, or hit the vehicle head on coming towards them, just stupid, if you are driving aware of your surroundings you should never have to swerve like this.

I'm impressed by your confidence in your own clairvoyancy ....sadly not a very scientific approach...

[cumgranosalum]

On 11/2/2016 at 2:54 PM, Ace of Pop said:

What about a Rolled Truck Test .Avoiding another Inverted Cart.I like Mooses.


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There are plenty of roll-over tests for pickups - and other vehicles - most involve testing the roof strength - is is particularly weak in the basic design of chassis-based constructions.

 

it seems to have evaded most people that this isn't actually a test about mosses, it is to do with the vehicles manoeuvrability in relation to CoG. Pickups  - especially the "hi-rise" versions have a higher than normal GoG. They certainly don't want tires to loose adhesion too quickly as that opens a whole new Pandora's box. 

As the Swedish Vision Zero document points out - most incidents are down to minor human error and to think that "paying attention" is all you need is just ignoring the dsalient points of the problem

 

In countries like Thailand swerving is often the result of dogs, elephants buffaloes etc as well as man-instigated events, in Sweden again they have long stretches of uninhabited country, in the more populated areas the hazards are again like Thailand either made made or down to wildlife and agriculture.

in countries like US and Oz the single vehicle accident is a well-documented - long lonesome roads the driver looses  control or does off and leaves the road - on waking they make an instinctive grab at the wheel and the vehicle rolls...the drivers are sometimes found days/weeks later.

Anything that can be done to make sure the CoG is as low as practical ca save lives.

[Rimmer]

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