Very sad but a 15 year old student out at 2 am 

5 hours ago, ddavidovsky said:

 

Agreed. I also found the fact she was a tom relevant and instructive.

Why?

6 hours ago, scorecard said:

 

 

What seems to be common nowadays is that parents don't discipline their kids even at a very young age. I recall many times Thai parents saying things like 'I don't want to say anything negative in any way to their kids, regardless on the situation, what has recently transpired etc., because I'm frightened my kids won't love me.  Maybe it's like this also nowadays in the west, I don't know. 

 

Reminds me when I was a kid I did several stints of not being allowed to even leave my bedroom for half a day / two days etc., with meals left outside the door of my bedroom with just one knock on my door. When I opened the door nobody there. When I went to the toilet everybody ignored me. It certainly made me do some serious thinking. 

 

I should add, my parents worked hard to teach me right and wrong, and to be role models. Even when I screwed up we quickly got back to lots of caring but no real let up with 'lessons' about right and wrong., always with lots of comments about respect for everybody.

 

RIP little girl, another senseless waste of life and tragedy for her family.

 

Back in the day any adult could chastise and child.

A slap from a policeman, from a school teacher

a belting from a parent etc.

Be seen and not heard!

Also, back in the day, the divorce rate was much less.

 

However, in many western countries it is now illegal to slap a child, even your own.

Children have phone help lines so they can report their "abusers"!

 

Reading you story leads me to think that, by today's standards, you had abusive parents, but I'd guess that they were not.

By my standards, it sounds like they loved you and wanted you to learn and respect their values and they did a great job.

 

IMHO, world culture has been eroded by technology and instant gratification is the new norm..

Back in the day, technology was two cocoa tins and a length of string.

Tele was only one channel and then for a few hours in the evening and it was "Aunty BBC"! (I'm an x Brit)

Things were simpler back then but now communication is world wide and instant.

Folk are addicted to social media and information goes viral quickly.

It ain't the same world any more!

 

Just a couple of years ago, near where this murder took place, my step son (19) was also murdered.

He was waiting with a class mate for the bus to go to college in the morning and a rival gang of four youths arrived by car.

They had the usual baseball bat type weapons and a fight ensued. Our lad fought too hard so he was shot dead with a home made gun.

No action by the police and the perp just got away with it.

I believe that this BS is demanded by the older student gang members, as a qualification to join the gang.

(A policemen told me this)

Why no one does anything about it is beyond reason but TiT, America and other countries too?

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777958.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

5 hours ago, chrisinth said:

 

Why do kittens play? It is to hone their hunting skills, form family bonds, not to group up and attack other cats when they grow up.

 

After spending 23 years in the British armed forces, active in every theatre of operations that occurred in that time frame, your further assumptions as to my 'motives' are, to say the least, humiliating. Perhaps you should have taken your head out of your books and experienced some frontline yourself?

 

I also know what gang-life is like; I was dragged up on the streets of Belfast during the late 60's and early 70's. Shootings I saw, but never seen anyone stabbed in the back with a sword.

 

In my book anyway, there is no defence for an action like that no matter how hard you argue that it is 'natural and healthy'. Nothing whatever to do with forming an effete society

 

I wasn't suggesting that all army people are likely to be engaged in murderous gang warfare, only taking the evolutionary perspective that tough people are necessary for society, and that a society of effete (well off, complacent, middle class) people with no experience of combat will be less able to defend themselves when the Hun turn up. I don't advocate anything, I just observe.

 

I gew up in the north of England which was tough enough. I saw plenty of knives brandished and learned to watch out for myself. Point being that it's not just in Thailand, though they certainly fight dirtier here.

 

As to kittens fighting - it no doubt serves several purposes, but cats are highly territorial and spend much of their time fighting with each other - and it gets pretty physical - the one-eyed tomcat is proverbial.
 

 

 

 

9 hours ago, DuiDui48 said:

Have you given up teaching both your wife and your stepdauther anything in life...well ME too..no one listen to any advice..sorry to say.

I remember back in the mid 90's I was looking at teenage disco like blue light disco over in the Din Daeng district, I was told it wouldn't work because the kids don't leave their parents side till past 18, I blame social media , they get all these ideas off others in other countries , technology interferes with living.

21 minutes ago, laislica said:

 

RIP little girl, another senseless waste of life and tragedy for her family.

 

Back in the day any adult could chastise and child.

A slap from a policeman, from a school teacher

a belting from a parent etc.

Be seen and not heard!

Also, back in the day, the divorce rate was much less.

 

However, in many western countries it is now illegal to slap a child, even your own.

Children have phone help lines so they can report their "abusers"!

 

Reading you story leads me to think that, by today's standards, you had abusive parents, but I'd guess that they were not.

By my standards, it sounds like they loved you and wanted you to learn and respect their values and they did a great job.

 

IMHO, world culture has been eroded by technology and instant gratification is the new norm..

Back in the day, technology was two cocoa tins and a length of string.

Tele was only one channel and then for a few hours in the evening and it was "Aunty BBC"! (I'm an x Brit)

Things were simpler back then but now communication is world wide and instant.

Folk are addicted to social media and information goes viral quickly.

It ain't the same world any more!

 

Just a couple of years ago, near where this murder took place, my step son (19) was also murdered.

He was waiting with a class mate for the bus to go to college in the morning and a rival gang of four youths arrived by car.

They had the usual baseball bat type weapons and a fight ensued. Our lad fought too hard so he was shot dead with a home made gun.

No action by the police and the perp just got away with it.

I believe that this BS is demanded by the older student gang members, as a qualification to join the gang.

(A policemen told me this)

Why no one does anything about it is beyond reason but TiT, America and other countries too?

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777958.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In regard to Thailand, older Thai folks have told me many times that quite often vocational school teaches are the ones who push these kids to fight and to be violent ' for the glory of their school'. 

10 hours ago, Credo said:

How important is it that everyone be told she is a "Tom?"

A lot of the Thai toms with their short hair and male clothes can look like men at first glance.  More so in poor lighting at night. So it may go some way to explaining that a female was targeted and shot multiple times in the gang violence, which is somewhat unusual.

10 hours ago, guzzi850m2 said:

What is these gangs all about anyway?

 

They seems to be everywhere, in every city/town and call other gangs enemies and often kills each other on sight?  

 

Yes what on earth are they doing out at 2am on a weekday when they have to go to school later same day?

 

Back in my old country we have problems with biker gangs but they are grown up people and they fight mostly over drug related things.

no different to Thailand  in general.........Police  gang, Army  gang all thugs

Who taught these brainless kids at their schools?

1 hour ago, mcfish said:

What has this got to do with anything?

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It was in response to Old Crock's post (no 46 on this thread).

ThaiVisa is crap now that quotes don't show the previous posts that we are referring to.

 

3 minutes ago, seancbk said:

It was in response to Old Crock's post (no 46 on this thread).

ThaiVisa is crap now that quotes don't show the previous posts that we are referring to.

 

 

Above is what you get if you just click Quote.

 

Below is what you get if you highlight what you want to quote and then click on a black Quote that appears near the highlight.

Hope this helps you.

Cheers

 

4 minutes ago, seancbk said:

1 hour ago, mcfish said:

What has this got to do with anything?

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It was in response to Old Crock's post (no 46 on this thread).

ThaiVisa is crap now that quotes don't show the previous posts that we are referring to.

 

responsible parenthood a foreign term in thailand

A lot of the Thai toms with their short hair and male clothes can look like men at first glance.  More so in poor lighting at night. So it may go some way to explaining that a female was targeted and shot multiple times in the gang violence, which is somewhat unusual.

That is a very good point.


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12 minutes ago, laislica said:

18 minutes ago, seancbk said:

It was in response to Old Crock's post (no 46 on this thread).

ThaiVisa is crap now that quotes don't show the previous posts that we are referring to.

 

 

Above is what you get if you just click Quote.

 

Below is what you get if you highlight what you want to quote and then click on a black Quote that appears near the highlight.

Hope this helps you.

Cheers

 

Laislica, wow thank you!  I'm an IT guy and still didn't know you could do that.  

Thank you so much.

This sort of thing happen quite often in Thailand. Is Thailand still a buddhist country?

13 hours ago, Somtamnication said:

So mum lets her daughter go out at night with boys. RIP 

Yes you seem to have full control over who is to blame.

Throw the mum in jail, right?

13 hours ago, lovelomsak said:

15 years old out with friends at 2 in the morning. She should have been at home sleeping like most 15 years old. But what can I say our teenage daughter does not come home weekends and some times for 10 or more days when school is out. Wife has no problem with it. Kids do what they want and parents just can watch them destroy their life's.

 

.....reminds me of Natives in my home country where the parental-mantra is generally... "if it feels good do it, if it doesn't feel good,do it anyways"..... parents that fail to instill boundaries in their children at the pre-pubescent stage while providing a stable,nourishing and loving home environment will likely be having a hell of a lot of trouble...... An old rock song lyric comes to mind......"At an early age he hits the street and winds up tied with who he meets, and he's unemployed.
His folks are overjoyed.    

2 hours ago, madusa said:

This sort of thing happen quite often in Thailand. Is Thailand still a buddhist country?

 

.....certainly in FORM.

A 15 year old  gang member  dies at  2.00 am in a hail of  bullets. As  much as  why it need  be asked  how it can be allowed to come to this?

Unlike the  western world where the  most common excuse is the  nanny state social control has  disenfranchised the authority   of  parental  control Thailand is  devoid as  yet  of any significant such   social interferences or responsibility!

In this  respect  Thailand  remains a  3rd  world  country  despite   the  facade  of a rising  developing  country.

Violence  and aggression has been  progressively  been imbued  via social media and the obvious  lack of  social and  jurisdictive rejection is becoming  more  evident almost as a  promotion via  the  same  media.

This  is  an issue which is  not exclusive  to  Thailand despite any  inference that it  is.

Globally there  are sectors of  populations  which in recognition  of the fact that they are part of the  mass  humanity  who have  no real hope  for  " glorious" achievement due to socio economic placement, and/or  social/ cultural inhibitions  so choose a reactionary course.

It has  little do with  intellectual  capacity  and in actuality  be demonstrated to be a frustration  of .

Deep and  meaningful  learn_ ed. definition from those  who in  comfort of   high  places constantly ignore the  real  fact that it  comes down to the  F... you  philosophy of disillusionment.

The  solution to  that would  fly in the  face  of the  corporate  system.

"Som num nah"  belongs  where  then ?

RIP   young  woman .

 

 

 

 

 

15 hours ago, Thaiwrath said:

 

Nothing to get upset about.

The reporter described it as he saw it. Had it been a ladyboy, he would have said a ladyboy.

You could not be more wrong about this being acceptable reporting.

14 hours ago, seancbk said:

 

Here in Thailand you absolutely can tell from looking at a Thai girl if she is a Tom.   Everyone, including her family, would have known she was a Tom.

It's still irrelevant to the story and an unnecessary detail to add.

Those days they kill each other  but who knows who will be next if they run out of own kind of enemies...maybe us?? for some unknown reasons ... yet?

Reminds me of the USA.

1 minute ago, The manic said:

Reminds me of the USA.

 

 

 

So you lived in the inner city ghettos!!

3 minutes ago, The manic said:

Reminds me of the USA.

Really?

 

Can't say it does for me.

17 hours ago, lovelomsak said:

15 years old out with friends at 2 in the morning. She should have been at home sleeping like most 15 years old. But what can I say our teenage daughter does not come home weekends and some times for 10 or more days when school is out. Wife has no problem with it. Kids do what they want and parents just can watch them destroy their life's.

Your daughter? Or only your wife's? Because if she's yours, too, then shouldn't you be taking her in hand?

1 hour ago, Bluespunk said:

1 hour ago, Bluespunk said:

17 hours ago, Thaiwrath said:

 

Nothing to get upset about.

The reporter described it as he saw it. Had it been a ladyboy, he would have said a ladyboy.

You could not be more wrong about this being acceptable reporting.

 

Bluespunk is absolutely right in his view of the standard of reporting. The reference to the girl's LGBT status was totally irrelevant.

first of all....its a shame ANY 15 yr old has to die like that.  BUT, what parent lets a 15 yr old be out at 2 AM. There is more to this, I am sure. At 15...out after midnite....there is no way this would turn out well. maybe the parents should be held accountable somewhat.

2 hours ago, Jonmarleesco said:

Bluespunk is absolutely right in his view of the standard of reporting. The reference to the girl's LGBT status was totally irrelevant.

 

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