2 hours ago, Credo said:

How important is it that everyone be told she is a "Tom?"

So that everyone knows that she was 'one of the boys'?

It helped provide more context for me anyway, not that it makes much difference though. 

Lovely kids these days... 

At least this gang didn't rape and torture them for 3 days and make them dig their own graves.

 

Looks like the Thai teenage gang problem is improving. 

Edited November 8, 20169 yr by DLang

2 am riding with motorcycle group!

Not entirely surprising a "mishap" occurred really is it?

2 minutes ago, DLang said:

At least this gang didn't rape and torture them for 3 days and make them dig their own graves.

 

Looks like the Thai teenage gang problem is improving. 

A little detached posting from reality I'd say?!

 

RIP to the two departed - hope we can do something to improve the status quo, not feed the problem

2 hours ago, Credo said:

How important is it that everyone be told she is a "Tom?"

 

40 minutes ago, tgeezer said:

It may answer some questions for Thai speakers. I presume that it is a translation of 'tomboy' which is not derogatory, rather is shows that she was not the shy retiring type, unsurprising that she would be out with the lads. Makes many of the questions asked by those of us who judge Thais Western standards, unnecessary for Thai people I suppose. 

 

Exactly. Now we know she wasn't just some bikers moll.

More knee-jerk victim blaming. Of course it wasn't smart for her to be out on the streets at that hour, but she didn't deserve to die. Blame the people who shot her. Killing someone is a crime and is immoral. Being out late, though unsafe, isn't. There shouldn't need to be clarification about this.

2 hours ago, Credo said:

How important is it that everyone be told she is a "Tom?"

does not necessarily mean she lesbian could be her nick name only

Why is everybody condemning the poor 15 year old girl?

It's so easy to throw your tantrum on a 15 year old girl who went a night out with fellow classmates.

But nobody is condemning the "gang" mentality and the students who are looking for a brawl with other students and armed to the teeth.
We are talking about students around 15 year old, carrying guns and machetes and shooting at other students.

 

Where is the mighty clown chief, everyday on TV, who was going to put an end to this and hand out hefty court convictions?
 

Get of your high horse and start to point at the real criminals.

A 15 year student can shoot anybody without ever be convicted in Thailand.
Even you.

 

RIP to the young girl and I hope the boy who was protecting her will make a speedy recovery.

2 hours ago, lovelomsak said:

15 years old out with friends at 2 in the morning. She should have been at home sleeping like most 15 years old. But what can I say our teenage daughter does not come home weekends and some times for 10 or more days when school is out. Wife has no problem with it. Kids do what they want and parents just can watch them destroy their life's.

 

  So why does't your daughters father take control of the situation?

 All it needs is some parental guidance.

You live the life, Be prepared to die the Life. 

1 hour ago, chasntong said:

 

Sounds like you want to wake up and sort your daughter out before its to late

If you don't let them go they will run away anyway, amazing what happens to the 15 yr old female brain.

This happens at least once every night on the near west side of Chicago, many 12 and 13 year old killers. Cant say much or you will be labeled a racist. Lives do matter I guess. The cops are the bad guys when they get there.

Kids need to compete and do so from an early age. Every society needs competitive people, practiced in aggession, on its side, come the next invasion and war. Occasionally someone gets killed. Stamp this out and you're stamping out something essential in human nature - something that one day we may need. Anthropology again.

3 hours ago, jerojero said:

A rival gang surrounded them? What gang was she involved? 2am out and about? RIP, but there's more to this story.

 

 

Why is there more to the story?

Explain Sherlock ?

3 hours ago, jerojero said:

A rival gang surrounded them? What gang was she involved? 2am out and about? RIP, but there's more to this story.

 

 

Where I come from, Australia,   gangs of school aged kids often roam the streets and parks late at night. Probably did it myself 50+ years ago.  Usually someone will have pinched a bottle of hooch from their parents stock and the gang would get a little pissed and rowdy.

The difference to Thailand is that Australian kids don't have MDL's nor access to bikes and cars. They are normally confined to their own local park.

They also don't have guns and swords and usually understand the value of life and death.

3 hours ago, lovelomsak said:

15 years old out with friends at 2 in the morning. She should have been at home sleeping like most 15 years old. But what can I say our teenage daughter does not come home weekends and some times for 10 or more days when school is out. Wife has no problem with it. Kids do what they want and parents just can watch them destroy their life's.

 

 

What seems to be common nowadays is that parents don't discipline their kids even at a very young age. I recall many times Thai parents saying things like 'I don't want to say anything negative in any way to their kids, regardless on the situation, what has recently transpired etc., because I'm frightened my kids won't love me.  Maybe it's like this also nowadays in the west, I don't know. 

 

Reminds me when I was a kid I did several stints of not being allowed to even leave my bedroom for half a day / two days etc., with meals left outside the door of my bedroom with just one knock on my door. When I opened the door nobody there. When I went to the toilet everybody ignored me. It certainly made me do some serious thinking. 

 

I should add, my parents worked hard to teach me right and wrong, and to be role models. Even when I screwed up we quickly got back to lots of caring but no real let up with 'lessons' about right and wrong., always with lots of comments about respect for everybody.

Edited November 8, 20169 yr by scorecard

2 hours ago, DuiDui48 said:

Have you given up teaching both your wife and your stepdauther anything in life...well ME too..no one listen to any advice..sorry to say.

Depends what your relationship with your family is and remember what Winston Churchill said; "Never give up, Never give up, Never, Never, Never."

 Be persistent, don't teach, only advise and show by example.

This is what will happen if you are near a university called Thurakit "Bandit".

How important is it that everyone be told she is a "Tom?"

What is wrong with mentioning it? You have any prejudices regarding any sexual orientation?

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To all of you asking how parents can allow a 15 years old child to go out until at least 2 a.m.:
It's not been said when she asked for permission, when she left home. She might have asked in the late afternoon, early evening already and promised to be back early. Maybe, she was hoping to sneak in back home when her mother was asleep. We don't know.

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1 hour ago, ddavidovsky said:

Kids need to compete and do so from an early age. Every society needs competitive people, practiced in aggession, on its side, come the next invasion and war. Occasionally someone gets killed. Stamp this out and you're stamping out something essential in human nature - something that one day we may need. Anthropology again.

 

Unfortunately, countering your argument, and the very roots of Anthropology, IMO, it would be extremely rare for one of these cowardly little gits step to the fore to defend anything.

 

This is gang culture, nothing less. This is the problem that needs to be addressed, even if it means not having 'heroes' in the near future.

Edited November 8, 20169 yr by chrisinth

Another lovely person now on another journey,  forever young, RIP little one.
 

Nobody here can know if she was a "lovely" person - or just a criminal wannabe bitch snatching bags, phones, necklaces at night. Sorry

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40 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

Where I come from, Australia,   gangs of school aged kids often roam the streets and parks late at night. Probably did it myself 50+ years ago.  Usually someone will have pinched a bottle of hooch from their parents stock and the gang would get a little pissed and rowdy.

The difference to Thailand is that Australian kids don't have MDL's nor access to bikes and cars. They are normally confined to their own local park.

They also don't have guns and swords and usually understand the value of life and death.

Yep growing up in Hong Kong, before we were old enough to drink in bars (which we started at about 15 or 16), we used to all ride our bikes (BMX in those days) around the exclusive estate we lived on and gather in one of the private parks or down at the country club.   It was not unusual for us to be out until 1am or later and yes we'd be drinking and some of us smoking.... sometimes more than just cigarettes.  

The only thing we had to worry about was being hassled by the private security who patrolled the streets where we lived, although they would only move us on if the park was supposed to be closed or if someone had complained we were making a noise.  Ultimately our parents paid their salaries so they couldn't really do much to us anyway.

Good times.  

4 hours ago, lovelomsak said:

15 years old out with friends at 2 in the morning. She should have been at home sleeping like most 15 years old. But what can I say our teenage daughter does not come home weekends and some times for 10 or more days when school is out. Wife has no problem with it. Kids do what they want and parents just can watch them destroy their life's.

 

You realize of course that when the inevitable happens to your teenage daughter, it will be your fault, despite the wife having no problem with it now.

14 minutes ago, chrisinth said:

 

Unfortunately, countering your argument, IMO, it would be extremely rare for one of these cowardly little gits step to the fore to defend anything.

 

This is gang culture, nothing less. This is the problem that needs to be addressed, even if it means not having 'heroes' in the near future.

 

Ask yourself why gang culture exists - apparently in all societies. And why do kittens engage in mock fights? It's practice. There's no logic in your assumption that they are cowardly. They are in gangs specifically to pit themselves one group against another.  This type of behaviour is natural and healthy - as long as they are practicing on each other.

 

Your own motive is probably fear that you will get caught in the crossfire. There is always some collateral damage in any evolutionary advantageous strategy. Fact is, the world is still not safe, people are insecure, and when real war comes, you will be glad to have recklessly aggressive people to push onto the front line to fight for you.

 

Don't try and create an effete society until everyone else on earth can be trusted. And that will never happen, because without competition, human life wouldn't be worth living - at least until the day when we are no longer human.

Perspective.

4 hours ago, Credo said:

How important is it that everyone be told she is a "Tom?"

credo it is very important . ......she was treated as a male , due everything any other fool gang banger is ......woman's liberation has come full circle .... also credo , it is a crime , murder to be exact , all info needs to be presented , not your edited  "PC" version that satisfies your liberal leanings .  

Looking and thinking back I think we all went through that 14 to 17 year old age bracket where we suddenly knew everything and everyone else was dumb. It can due to circumstances be a dangerous age. It is that point in life like a young eagle we approach the edge of the nest flapping our wings to take off for a test flight but sadly some have not mastered the rudiments of flight and topple to the ground. 

Edited November 8, 20169 yr by elgordo38

9 minutes ago, mikiea said:

credo it is very important . ......she was treated as a male , due everything any other fool gang banger is ......woman's liberation has come full circle .... also credo , it is a crime , murder to be exact , all info needs to be presented , not your edited  "PC" version that satisfies your liberal leanings .  

 

Agreed. I also found the fact she was a tom relevant and instructive.