Armed teenaged gangs having shoot outs on the streets. Didn't see that on the Foreign Office advisory.

R.I.P.   The worth death is the meaningless one.

Otherwise, I am absolutely clueless, what a hell can a 9, 15 and 16 years old girl do on the street 2 am even if they are with their friends. 

4 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

My utmost sympathy to the girls family but you have to question, why on earth would a 15 year old girl or boy, be out on a Monday at 2.00am. This can and has lead to trouble. Sadly there is no lesson learned for the girl, as she is dead.

 

Rubbish

Not all teenagers out late at night end up smoked.

Kids are kids - some get into trouble but most don't.

1 hour ago, little mary sunshine said:

" Nothing good happens after 1AM"

Wrong, but I am still young ....

12 minutes ago, elgordo38 said:

Looking and thinking back I think we all went through that 14 to 17 year old age bracket where we suddenly knew everything and everyone else was dumb. It can due to circumstances be a dangerous age. It is that point in life like a young eagle we approach the edge of the nest flapping our wings to take off for a test flight but sadly some have not mastered the rudiments of flight and topple to the ground. 

huh ?

 

12 minutes ago, ddavidovsky said:

 

Ask yourself why gang culture exists - apparently in all societies. And why do kittens engage in mock fights? It's practice. There's no logic in your assumption that they are cowardly. They are in gangs specifically to pit themselves one group against another.  This type of behaviour is natural and healthy - as long as they are practicing on each other.

 

Your own motive is probably fear that you will get caught in the crossfire. There is always some collateral damage in any evolutionary advantageous strategy. Fact is, the world is still not safe, people are insecure, and when real war comes, you will be glad to have recklessly aggressive people to push onto the front line to fight for you.

 

Don't try and create an effete society until everyone else on earth can be trusted. And that will never happen, because without competition, human life wouldn't be worth living - at least until the day when we are no longer human.

Perspective.

 

Why do kittens play? It is to hone their hunting skills, form family bonds, not to group up and attack other cats when they grow up.

 

After spending 23 years in the British armed forces, active in every theatre of operations that occurred in that time frame, your further assumptions as to my 'motives' are, to say the least, humiliating. Perhaps you should have taken your head out of your books and experienced some frontline yourself?

 

I also know what gang-life is like; I was dragged up on the streets of Belfast during the late 60's and early 70's. Shootings I saw, but never seen anyone stabbed in the back with a sword.

 

In my book anyway, there is no defence for an action like that no matter how hard you argue that it is 'natural and healthy'. Nothing whatever to do with forming an effete society

11 minutes ago, YeahSiam said:

 

Rubbish

Not all teenagers out late at night end up smoked.

Kids are kids - some get into trouble but most don't.

Well I guess we have different moral values. I don't believe any 15 year old should be out at 2.00am,. Also I never mentioned that all teenagers at night get smoked. It was relating to the potential dangers and sadly on this occasion, I am right.

13 minutes ago, mikiea said:

huh ?

 

Sorry Mikie that one flew over your head I guess. 

4 hours ago, Oxx said:

 

Pretty sure that should be "Dhurakij Pundit University".  So much for journalistic standards.  However, the "Bandit" bit does seem apposite.

 

More like appropriate if you ask me.

 

RIP young lady It makes me so sad when I hear of senseless incidences such as these.

Some of the gang members can do what they like as their parents are either police, or have connections in high places. The law is not enforced, and there is zero retribution. A few months ago a handicapped man was killed by a gang wielding swords, and surprise, surprise , the culprits parents were in the police. No prizes for guessing what punishment they received..TIT...

1 hour ago, Chicog said:

Armed teenaged gangs having shoot outs on the streets. Didn't see that on the Foreign Office advisory.

They omitted it because it is a common occurrence in most countries and cities. 

4 hours ago, tgeezer said:

It may answer some questions for Thai speakers. I presume that it is a translation of 'tomboy' which is not derogatory, rather is shows that she was not the shy retiring type, unsurprising that she would be out with the lads. Makes many of the questions asked by those of us who judge Thais Western standards, unnecessary for Thai people I suppose. 

 

It may alleviate some presumption to be familiarized with the complementary term of "dee"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identities_in_Thailand

We can attribute teenage gang culture to different causes especially  poverty, deprivation and urban blight. And both America and U.K. Have these issues in their poor districts like Chicago , LA or South London. Targeted policing on such gangs is essential especially drugs and weapons. Finally it's the family that is vulnerable with over worked parents often single mums, absent dads and a lack of control over wayward kids. How do you solve it ? It's multiple approaches but crime is lower in societies like  Denmark, Sweden, Holland or Finland as the standard of living is higher and taxes are imposed for better education, better health care, mental health, child care. It's cheap, low tax places like the  Americas ( US, Central and Southern America) that have higher crime. Honduras has highest homicide rates. 

Edited November 8, 20169 yr by peter48

Jets and Sharks,its a Thai side story.

Just a bit more sociology so why not get these problems in middle class areas as in  white part of LA the other side etc., because you do not get the concentration of problems of urban blight. Middle class parents often white access the better schools where discipline and values are strong and money less of a problem. What happens when you got too many problems together it spins out of control. Get your son and  daughter into a good school for many reasons especially in societies or cities  that have more extreme problems. Money, class is power everywhere. 

Edited November 8, 20169 yr by peter48

6 hours ago, Credo said:

How important is it that everyone be told she is a "Tom?"

 

The translator mentioned it in passing. The Thai story screamed it in the headline.

Dreadful 

7 hours ago, Credo said:

How important is it that everyone be told she is a "Tom?"

 

Possibly meant Tomboy...  But not the best way to describe a 15 year old lass.

 

 

7 hours ago, webfact said:

The incident happened near the end of Prachacheun Soi 8/1 opposite the Thurakit Bandit University at 2am

 

The aptly named Bandit University, Thailand is getting more like the states every day.

If you have a useless education system, hopelessly inefficient and apathetic police force with dubious principles and society which is dreadfully self centred and so tolerant of corruption, is it any wonder that society is beginning to break  down? 

 

This is one manifestation of the results of corruption, abysmal education and total lack of personal responsibility encouraged by a justice system that has abandoned social responsibility as well.

6 hours ago, Thaiwrath said:

 

Nothing to get upset about.

The reporter described it as he saw it. Had it been a ladyboy, he would have said a ladyboy.

Beware, the PC police are always vigilant. They never sleep.

 

Edited November 8, 20169 yr by jesimps

Now you know what you get when you are a member of a gang Death and Destruction

 

Different culture in Thailand as it is in China where the young stay up half the night playing mahjong, eating, drinking and cavorting.  In Thailand gangs are common place and with the rise in gun culture then the violence get's more out of hand.  However this is their country and they live the way they wish to. 

Kids having fun. It was different when I was a teenager.

Until parents (or guardians) take responsibility, supported by Government (of whatever "persuasion") for the proper education of the kids, nothing will change!

 

Maybe because there is no money in it?

 

Don't blame the kids.

 

RIP young lady. 

9 hours ago, lovelomsak said:

15 years old out with friends at 2 in the morning. She should have been at home sleeping like most 15 years old. But what can I say our teenage daughter does not come home weekends and some times for 10 or more days when school is out. Wife has no problem with it. Kids do what they want and parents just can watch them destroy their life's.

 

 

But what can I say our teenage daughter does not come home weekends and some times for 10 or more days . . . ?

 

How about "No!"?

9 hours ago, lovelomsak said:

15 years old out with friends at 2 in the morning. She should have been at home sleeping like most 15 years old. But what can I say our teenage daughter does not come home weekends and some times for 10 or more days when school is out. Wife has no problem with it. Kids do what they want and parents just can watch them destroy their life's.

I have free wifi at my place.My problem is i can't get rid off them.Never mind,they are good kids and mums know where to find them.

Yep growing up in Hong Kong, before we were old enough to drink in bars (which we started at about 15 or 16), we used to all ride our bikes (BMX in those days) around the exclusive estate we lived on and gather in one of the private parks or down at the country club.   It was not unusual for us to be out until 1am or later and yes we'd be drinking and some of us smoking.... sometimes more than just cigarettes.  

The only thing we had to worry about was being hassled by the private security who patrolled the streets where we lived, although they would only move us on if the park was supposed to be closed or if someone had complained we were making a noise.  Ultimately our parents paid their salaries so they couldn't really do much to us anyway.

Good times.  

What has this got to do with anything?

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6 hours ago, scorecard said:

 

 

What seems to be common nowadays is that parents don't discipline their kids even at a very young age. I recall many times Thai parents saying things like 'I don't want to say anything negative in any way to their kids, regardless on the situation, what has recently transpired etc., because I'm frightened my kids won't love me.  Maybe it's like this also nowadays in the west, I don't know. 

 

Reminds me when I was a kid I did several stints of not being allowed to even leave my bedroom for half a day / two days etc., with meals left outside the door of my bedroom with just one knock on my door. When I opened the door nobody there. When I went to the toilet everybody ignored me. It certainly made me do some serious thinking. 

 

I should add, my parents worked hard to teach me right and wrong, and to be role models. Even when I screwed up we quickly got back to lots of caring but no real let up with 'lessons' about right and wrong., always with lots of comments about respect for everybody.

It starts with letting 8-10 year olds ride motor bikes.Just say no.

RIP Pheung hope some other parents use her as an example what can happen if you are out late on a school night and mix with the wrong crowd of youths very sad story indeed.