"Party House" Opened Across From Us

[UKJASE]

Hi guys - We live out in the sticks about 8km from the centre of Hua Hin.  Our little community is four or five houses. Recently one guy sold his house, as he was approached by an agent.  We later found out, that unbeknown to him, the house has been sold to some company that lets the house out on nightly rentals, and a whole bunch of young thais show up and have a party.  The house has a pool out the front, and they have filled it with inflatables, plus given them a BBQ and a karaoke room etc.  The parties are usually 10 - 20 people and pretty loud, and go to late at night.  Music playing loud and teens / young adults enjoying themselves.

A couple of our neighbours have called the cops on them, and when the cops turn up, the music will go down and people will go into the house and continue the party in there.  But then the next lot will turn up the next day, and the whole cycle will start again.  The house only turned to a party house about 5 weeks ago, and i presume the cops will soon tire of turning up to tell them to turn the music down.

 

We are going to talk to the Poo Yai Baan on monday, plus will attempt to contact the new owners to reason with them, but they must have invested 10 million plus in this property, and i doubt they will suddenly change their business idea just because we asked them to.

 

Does anyone have any ideas what we can do?  Are there any laws that protect neighbours in situations of excessive noise like this?

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[blackcab]

Have you thought about getting into the charcoal manufacturing business?

[bubba1]

Offer them 11 million and buy the place.

[trogers]

Time for a drug raid?

[metisdead]

Nonsense posts of an unhelpful nature have been removed. 

[KittenKong]

I would complain to the NCPO. 1111 is the call centre number, though a letter in Thai (from a lawyer?) would probably be more effective.

 

Just another sad example of the general lack of respect for other people and the seemingly endless greed.

[David B in Thailand]

"Follow the money".  If the property is not licensed as a hotel you can get it shut down. If room tax paperwork is not already filed you can get it shut down. Hotels in your area might have some mandated parking, or other mandated requirements, not always enforced, depending on who owns the hotel. The police could turn a blind eye, but paperwork and tax obligations and government fees imposed on the actual property owner could stop the abuse. No business has the right to play music at a certain hour with out the proper license. Certainly the five music publishers would like to pay a visit, usually with out of town police as enforcers, to collect fees for the public broadcast of music they control the publishing rights. A few visits by government agencies, which always cost money will often make an investor rethink a business "plan" in Thailand. Drug abuse report could also be of public concern. Might be worth your time and money to visit an ethical lawyer with clout in your community to seek advise on legal authorities to contact. 

[NickJ]

When I was a little kid. A house in my Uncles neighborhood started having swingers parties.This was a fairly upper middle class neighborhood.  All the cars parked in the nearby school parking lot. 

One night we went and sent an hour swapping licence plates and removing lug nuts.

What a mess involving lots of tow trucks. 

This story brought back all those memories.

[blackcab]

33 minutes ago, David B in Thailand said:

"Follow the money".  If the property is not licensed as a hotel you can get it shut down. If room tax paperwork is not already filed you can get it shut down. Hotels in your area might have some mandated parking, or other mandated requirements, not always enforced, depending on who owns the hotel. The police could turn a blind eye, but paperwork and tax obligations and government fees imposed on the actual property owner could stop the abuse. No business has the right to play music at a certain hour with out the proper license. Certainly the five music publishers would like to pay a visit, usually with out of town police as enforcers, to collect fees for the public broadcast of music they control the publishing rights. A few visits by government agencies, which always cost money will often make an investor rethink a business "plan" in Thailand. Drug abuse report could also be of public concern. Might be worth your time and money to visit an ethical lawyer with clout in your community to seek advise on legal authorities to contact. 

 

If the property has less than 5 bedrooms or less than 20 people sleeping there then it doesn't need a hotel license.

 

Room tax, or par see rong ruan paperwork does not have to be filed until February 2017 for the 2016 financial year.

 

The problem with entertainment licenses is that it's probably not the owner of the property that is playing the music. It is the daily tenants, for private purposes only. In which case, the property owner doesn't need a music license.

[rhodie]

10 minutes ago, blackcab said:

 

If the property has less than 5 bedrooms or less than 20 people sleeping there then it doesn't need a hotel license.

 

Room tax, or par see rong ruan paperwork does not have to be filed until February 2017 for the 2016 financial year.

 

The problem with entertainment licenses is that it's probably not the owner of the property that is playing the music. It is the daily tenants, for private purposes only. In which case, the property owner doesn't need a music license.

 

I don't think you can rent a house out on a daily basis unless you have a hotel license.

[blackcab]

13 minutes ago, rhodie said:

 

I don't think you can rent a house out on a daily basis unless you have a hotel license.

 

You can, if it fits the criteria that allows it to be exempt.  The main criteria is 4 bedrooms or less, which covers the majority of houses.

[KittenKong]

1 hour ago, blackcab said:

 

If the property has less than 5 bedrooms or less than 20 people sleeping there then it doesn't need a hotel license.

 

As far as I know it does need to register regardless of size, even if it is too small to require a licence.

[Enoon]

You could start off by "laying a cable" in the swimming pool for the next group of party people to find.

That should keep them off the inflatables.

 

Maybe something dead in the karaoke room?

 

Use your imagination.

 

Word will soon get around

 

Be sure to be very helpful and understanding if the owners turn up......offer to keep an eye on the place.

 

 

Edited November 14, 2016 by Enoon

[kannot]

record  the  music  noise go to the owners  house sit outside with some massive speakers and play it back so he can

"enjoy " it  also

[blackcab]

2 hours ago, KittenKong said:

 

As far as I know it does need to register regardless of size, even if it is too small to require a licence.

 

Agree, although this rarely happens in reality.

[georgemandm]

You have to except it , you are living in thailand so you have to take the good with the bad .

 People from the west come here to thailand and think they have rights, no you have no rights here , that is why I would not buy anything here or live here full time .

you lose your rights in thailand to your   Privacy .

 

[Dumbastheycome]

54 minutes ago, georgemandm said:

You have to except it , you are living in thailand so you have to take the good with the bad .

 People from the west come here to thailand and think they have rights, no you have no rights here , that is why I would not buy anything here or live here full time .

you lose your rights in thailand to your   Privacy .

 

Not as true as stated. But caution is needed is attempting to apply  Thai rights (extendable to  farang) in a situation where annoyance factors are  not actually  causing physical or  financial harm.

As  much hope as shutting down the noise levels involved in   marriage, death , monkhood  festivities or the proliferate " announcements"  for  local  consumption  via stressed megaphone speakers at  maximum excess volume!

If  determined then try to convince Thai locals  to complain  while you stay well out  of the picture.

 

[swissie]

OP could:
- Join the parties and turn into a party-animal.
- Join the parties and act like a certified "party-pooper". (rinse and repeat).

Or:
- Fight fire with fire: Install speakers and play the Thai National Anthem during "party-time" over and over.
The Thai's could not possibly hold it against you (the Farang is only making merit).
Cheers.

[georgemandm]

48 minutes ago, Dumbastheycome said:

Not as true as stated. But caution is needed is attempting to apply  Thai rights (extendable to  farang) in a situation where annoyance factors are  not actually  causing physical or  financial harm.

As  much hope as shutting down the noise levels involved in   marriage, death , monkhood  festivities or the proliferate " announcements"  for  local  consumption  via stressed megaphone speakers at  maximum excess volume!

If  determined then try to convince Thai locals  to complain  while you stay well out  of the picture.

 

So your trying to tell me you have rights in thailand, you have no rights at all you are a  alien you not forget it , you are not wanted at al just your money .

[UKJASE]

As the OP i need to state that the houses here are all owned by thais, with farang husbands, so the laws will be applying to thais vs thais.

 

Any prejudices that us farangs suffer here will hopefully not come into this situation.  The thai wives that are suffering from this noise are just as keen as the farang husbands to have it stopped

[Grubster]

I guess sometimes our love for the lack of rules and regulations here can bite us in the ass.

[swissie]

2 hours ago, Grubster said:

I guess sometimes our love for the lack of rules and regulations here can bite us in the ass.

 

With the result, that plenty of Farangs (after having been bitten in the ass repeatedly), can no more sit on bar stools in comfort. Standing room only.

Cheers.

[jacko45k]

6 hours ago, UKJASE said:

As the OP i need to state that the houses here are all owned by thais, with farang husbands, so the laws will be applying to thais vs thais.

 

Any prejudices that us farangs suffer here will hopefully not come into this situation.  The thai wives that are suffering from this noise are just as keen as the farang husbands to have it stopped

I am guessing the Thai wives are more tolerant of it and/or less likely to stir things up and complain.

Exhaust other avenues first, perhaps the Poo Yai Ban can resolve the problem. Unless he too is one of the farang husbands. Thais don't like to be bossed around by pesky foreigners.  I have a neighbour who occasionally has a gang of Thai friends around and they bring one of those vehicles that is 90% loud-speaker.... horrendous noise. In your case next step is to make official complaints to the police, seek legal advice, sell up.

[Classic Ray]

If it has a fence and gates, attach a thick chain and padlock to the gates next time the house is vacant.

 

Order two tons of sand to be delivered to block the driveway.

 

Throw ten durian fruit over the fence so they smash.

 

I could go on, but you get the idea!

[TSF]

Unfortunately as a farang there's very little you can do. You can call the cops and contact various gov departments but they don't really care. The cops may come and give a warning but next day the music will be up again, and the cops won't be bothered to go there again.

 

In my own long experience with these problems in Thailand the only solution is to move. This is the prime reason I'll never buy  property in Thailand, you never know when this kind of stuff will happen. One day you have a paradise home, next day it's a living hell. I've been driven out of at least a dozen houses and apartments I've rented over the past 20-30 years because of excessive noise and similar problems with Thai neighbors.

 

But get together with your small band of neighbors and try your hardest to put a stop to this. Best of luck.

[TSF]

5 hours ago, jacko45k said:

I am guessing the Thai wives are more tolerant of it and/or less likely to stir things up and complain.

Exhaust other avenues first, perhaps the Poo Yai Ban can resolve the problem. Unless he too is one of the farang husbands. Thais don't like to be bossed around by pesky foreigners.  I have a neighbour who occasionally has a gang of Thai friends around and they bring one of those vehicles that is 90% loud-speaker.... horrendous noise. In your case next step is to make official complaints to the police, seek legal advice, sell up.

Unfortunately that will probably be the only solution. Put up with it or sell up.

[JoeW]

There are actually laws regarding noise and noise pollution in Thailand. The current law states that peaks of sound (less than a couple of seconds) cannot exceed 110dB and continuous noise cannot exceed 75dB.

However, I have no idea who to contact or what to do in your situation.

[JoeW]

I found the website. If you can read Thai the information is here otherwise ask a friend or your wife to read it. Phone number also on it.

http://www.pcd.go.th/info_serv/en_air_noise.htm

[sandemara]

No power, no party.

[samsensam]

 

let the government know some people are enjoying themselves, they will soon put a stop to it.