webfact Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Phuket tour guides, bus drivers demand action for lost jobs Phuket Gazette Members of the Andaman Tour guide Association gathered at Provincial Hall today to complain that their jobs are being stolen by unlicensed operators. Photo: Kritsada Mueanhawong PHUKET: -- A group of local tour guides and a group of local tour bus operators simultaneously submitted letters at Phuket Provincial Hall today demanding that action be taken against illegal tour guides and operations "stealing" their jobs. About 50 members of the Andaman Tour Guide Association (Phuket-Phang Nga-Krabi) led by Mr Krit Thepbamrung gathered at Provincial Hall at 9.30am to submit their letter to Phuket Governor Chokchai Dejamornthan. The letter was handed to Thavornwat Buakaew, acting on behalf of the governor. “We have tour guide licenses but we still get arrested for working outside the permitted areas, or for doing jobs in the 'wrong category' while those without licenses get away with it and don’t get arrested,” said Mr Krit. Full story: http://www.phuketgazette.net/phuket-news/Phuket-tour-guides-bus-drivers-demand-action/65927?desktopversion -- © Copyright Phuket Gazette 2016-11-29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMartinHandyman Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 “We charge about 18,000 baht for six days, while those outside charge only 14,000 baht,” he cried. There's your problem,,legitimate, legal competition from northern providers. Can't have that can we Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 “We charge about 18,000 baht for six days, while those outside charge only 14,000 baht,” he cried. There's your problem,,legitimate, legal competition from northern providers. Can't have that can we Sounds like you missed the part about 'without licenses' therefore illegal.Sounds to me like they're overcharging btw.Sent from my ROBBY using Thaivisa Connect mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelepulse Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 >>“We have not worked for several months already because the tour agencies and bus companies conspire to use buses and drivers from the Northern provinces, where they are cheaper," lamented Mr Chanawee. "Conspire" , is that the new word for "to compete to get the business"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharp Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Finally supply and demand not only price driven... Greedy self-righteous b....... s getting bit in the ass.. Sent from my SM-P555 using Thaivisa Connect mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmitch Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Perhaps they haven't noticed the huge drop in Chinese tour groups in the past few weeks. Not so much work for any of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamgeorgeallen Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 over supply of guides and drivers. bit like over supply of rice. subsidies need all round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweatalot Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 "their jobs are being stolen ..." interesting world view how can a job be stolen ? competition is either more qualified or they do the same job for less money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jolive Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Complaints over others charge cheaper?? If I'm the agencies sure I get those that cheaper and provide the same services or even better Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NamKangMan Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 (edited) Nothing that fire bombing a few buses, or beating up a few rival drivers, wouldn't fix. Phuket Business 101. Edited November 29, 2016 by NamKangMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 5 minutes ago, jolive said: Complaints over others charge cheaper?? If I'm the agencies sure I get those that cheaper and provide the same services or even better Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Even if they're illegal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jolive Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Do you know that there dozen of illegal immigrants from Myanmar working in phuket as tour guides, hotel receptionist, hotel staff, waiter, chefs etc.. there alway buses with tour guides companies coming to ur doorstep or emailing you to engage their services for our travelers. Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redline Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Stop bitching and get to work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 (edited) 49 minutes ago, sweatalot said: "their jobs are being stolen ..." interesting world view how can a job be stolen ? competition is either more qualified or they do the same job for less money I'm always amused by the guys who are financially able to stay in Thailand precisely because their jobs were protected for their entire career by unions, regulations, licensing requirements, quotas, and other protectionist measures. Yet they don't seem to think it's fair to protect the locals from illegal competition who don't have to worry about things like paying taxes, getting proper licenses, professional training, and other expenses that the legal guys have to factor into their prices. Edit: And that doesn't even consider the tea money the outsiders dodge by staying under the radar. Edited November 29, 2016 by impulse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhream Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Ok to steal by overcharging. Not so great when being stolen from (by better pricing). Island of painful life lessons, as shit finally gets real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli42 Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Then dispense with the facade of a license if it has no meaning and adjust prices to drive out competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvr181 Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Been too easy for too long? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stargeezr Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Phuket still has its problems, just like other parts of the country that let corruption exist for too long. I agree with impulse, Expats and long time stayers, you got your riches with protection, so why are you griping at these workers that are legally employed and getting affected by criminals or mafia or otherwise illegal people. Quit sniffing the wacky weed and think before you type. Remember TXN, having money does not mean that you are a good and honest person. Geezer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarenBravo Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 (edited) What's job protection in the West got to do with this? Was competition allowed in the West? Yes. Was it encouraged? Yes. In Phuket, the natural business plan is to form cartels, associations, a monopoly.....call it what you will. These organizations are usually run by the people who, if they aren't mafia, they certainly act like it when defending their "territory". This has nothing to do with worker practices in the West and everything to do with that typical sense of self-entitlement that infects this island. And of course, when things take a dive for any of these cartels, associations and monopolies, that same sense of self-entitlement causes them to go squealing, cap in hand to the government to fix the problem fairly (in their favour), because to these disgruntled people, that's why there is a government. Edited November 30, 2016 by KarenBravo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sphere Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 Quote Phuket tour guides, bus drivers demand action for lost jobs They thought they were winning the rat race.....along came the faster rats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 1 hour ago, KarenBravo said: What's job protection in the West got to do with this? Was competition allowed in the West? Yes. Was it encouraged? Yes. In Phuket, the natural business plan is to form cartels, associations, a monopoly.....call it what you will. These organizations are usually run by the people who, if they aren't mafia, they certainly act like it when defending their "territory". This has nothing to do with worker practices in the West and everything to do with that typical sense of self-entitlement that infects this island. And of course, when things take a dive for any of these cartels, associations and monopolies, that same sense of self-entitlement causes them to go squealing, cap in hand to the government to fix the problem fairly (in their favour), because to these disgruntled people, that's why there is a government. Strangely, you've just described the genesis of hundreds, if not thousands, of organizations in the West formed for the specific purpose of protecting income streams from interlopers. Some of them legal, a lot of them illegal, and many started out very illegal but used enough monetary and political clout to become enshrined in the laws. It's not so different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarenBravo Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 (edited) .....and strangely, you have just proved how many years behind the Thai attitude and mentality to business really is. It's very different. Why? Here's a clue......one is customer oriented. Edited November 30, 2016 by KarenBravo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 1 hour ago, KarenBravo said: .....and strangely, you have just proved how many years behind the Thai attitude and mentality to business really is. It's very different. Why? Here's a clue......one is customer oriented. Been awhile since you've lived back home, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Bull Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 They are a nasty lot ,about ten years ago there were monkeys on the beach on Kho Phi Phi. They chased them all away to another beach they christened monkey beach that you can only get to by boat. Now the boat owners charge tourists to go look at them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jolive Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 They are a nasty lot ,about ten years ago there were monkeys on the beach on Kho Phi Phi. They chased them all away to another beach they christened monkey beach that you can only get to by boat. Now the boat owners charge tourists to go look at them. I see...No wonder when I was doing island hopping in phuket and the tour guide told us that they will be bringing us to monkey beach.. now den I know those monkey were not original from there..Great information.. Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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