All Roads and Sois to be Emptied of Street Vendors?

[ffaarraanngg]

8 hours ago, Deepinthailand said:

Did you even bother to read my post. read the first few lines.  I say again as you seem to like your line "back to the public" The street venders are the Public citizens of Thailand.

To be fair he has a point the working class ordinary people voted in a political party to set the agenda ..... much like North Koreans.

[al007]

On 12/4/2016 at 0:58 AM, Elkski said:

I don't have enough experience experience but to say either way.   I see both sides.   Maybe now is a good time to invest in store front property.  Oh wait farang can't do that.  

I am constantly asking financial questions of all Thai's I meet. 

My phuket lady tells me restaurant owners she knows make 1-2 million a month profit in high season and that's why they can buy property and houses.

She also knows some fruit market ladies and they can make 10-20 k profit a day for high season.  This year maybe only 10 k a day.   Low season is 2-5 k.    My friend has loaned these for folks some $.  She told me interest free.  We stopped by every day to collect 500 baht and I didn't VC want law trouble from illegal loan sharking 

 

Does not add up

 

These people make so much money, so you are informed

 

So why are they borrowing from you/your girlfriend at money lender rates, no sense, none

 

I wonder is in fact; she in reality borrowing from them, who knows

 

Beware something smelly !  

 

Good Luck

[tutsiwarrior]

On 12/2/2016 at 3:20 PM, nunoyabiznez said:

 

They are a safety hazard, they create traffic problems in a city where traffic is probably the number one issue, they are all paying criminal gangs to 'rent' public space, they attract vermin, and one could call Bangkok many things, but 'drab' is not one of them, if anything this shambles is a blight more suited to Hogarth's London.

 

I agree that form a social justice perspective, most are doing what they can to get by, and their response should be to organise and petition for legitimate space just as stallholders do the world over, including other developed Asian nations.

 

if anything, Hogarth's London as represented in his art was a damn sight more interesting than the present blighty s***hole...never seen a more boring place...

 

and I agree...BKK is like any other big SE Asian city; hot, polluted, crowded, etc...but that is what defines SE Asian metropolises...this ain't the west as some foks would like it to be...

 

the present military dictators simply have a preference for order and cleanliness like previous dictators before them and manifested in unpleasant terms in the 1930s in Europe...

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

On ‎04‎.‎12‎.‎2016 at 6:40 AM, dbrenn said:

Is phad thai made in China? I for one will miss the tasty food that street vendors sell. All we'll have in its place will be the usual bunch of boring franchise outlets - MK, yayoi, KFC, McD, Fiji etc - in more and more equally boring shopping malls. Bangkok is starting to look like anywhere else, it's charming culture has been erased by corporate greed.

Obviously never been in a food court. Try one sometime.

[thaibeachlovers]

19 hours ago, ffaarraanngg said:

Bangkok hardly looks like a 3rd world dump. Why don't you move to a developed country? Is it because you're not very good with women and can't take advantage of them due to their dire financial circumstances?

 

I'd say the standard of expat in Bangkok is what needs addressing, the new breed really do think everyone should think and do exactly as they say. Snowflakes i shitem.

You write like you never got past Siam Square. Most of Bkk is a dump, though whether that makes it 3rd world I don't know. London was a dump too outside of the west end. Boring s*** h*** with crappy architecture and pavements covered with chewing gum.

[thaibeachlovers]

16 hours ago, ffaarraanngg said:

A little mouthy boy who writes in the language of text.

 

I don't go to Thailand very much its turned into a sterile place full of jumped up young farangs who think they're gods gift. Get yourselfout of BKK and you will see Thais still like to eat street food.

 

The fact you think a world where people buy a 30bht 7/11 meal and go home to eat it is an improvement speaks volumes of your kind. You have no character and never will, now go put some pictures of yourself on facebook to make yourself look interesting.

LOL. IMO Thais don't LIKE to eat street food. In the crappy s*** h*** town I lived in they ate in restaurants, even if the restaurants were just hole in the wall places. Food carts only did good business when restaurants were closed, like at 6am when everyone was going to work.

[nuakmuaynina]

This is sad. I loved the street vendors, i can see how it might need controlling, but to get rid of entirely seems going a bit too far. London is becoming more sterile and boring by the day. looks like everywhere else is following suit.

[Deepinthailand]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You write like you never got past Siam Square. Most of Bkk is a dump, though whether that makes it 3rd world I don't know. London was a dump too outside of the west end. Boring s*** h*** with crappy architecture and pavements covered with chewing gum.

 

In the crappy s*** h*** town I lived in they ate in restaurants, even if the restaurants were just hole in the wall places. Food carts only did good business when restaurants were closed

Is there anywhere that you don't regard as a shit hole then

[ffaarraanngg]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You write like you never got past Siam Square. Most of Bkk is a dump, though whether that makes it 3rd world I don't know. London was a dump too outside of the west end. Boring s*** h*** with crappy architecture and pavements covered with chewing gum.

Oh you're one of those people who has been past Siam Sq and claims everyone with a differing opinion hasn't. Anyway the pictures i've seen outside of Siam Sq most certainly show Thais eating street food with a smile on their face you may even say it looks as if its part of their culture ... possible that they've been photo-shopped such images but i don't want to leave Siam Sq to find out. No aircon where those dark skinned people eat you see.

 

If Thais hate streetfood so much why do i always see pictures of office workers eating the stuff every dinner and tea time ... probably those pesky photoshoppers again. Though  I have seen those hipster Hisos at Chulalongkorn University eating the stuff when i'm in Siam Sq

 

 

 

Edited December 5, 2016 by ffaarraanngg

[ChidlomDweller]

On 12/2/2016 at 3:25 PM, phantomfiddler said:

Also the street vendors, after being in a location for a period of time, act as if they own their piece of street or sidewalk, often leaving piles of garbage to be cleaned up every day. Two sides to every story.

 

That's the problem.  Give them a finger and they take the whole arm.  They really do act like the entire footpath belongs to them, with complete and utter disregard for other people.  It's one of the reasons I moved from Sukhumvit Soi 24, being sick and tired of them.  In an ideal world I'd like a compromise where there are street stalls in unobtrusive locations (of which there are plenty -- see OP), but since they show zero respect for others, let them reap the consequences.  By the nature of their interest and their selfishness, they will expressly seek out foot traffic bottlenecks.  

 

I also feel people make too much of the tourist appeal of those vendors.  Chatuchak and night markets, yes, but in their assigned place.  Those are nicer and much more charming than the vendors completely clogging up the sidewalks on Sukhumvit, Ratchadamri Road, etc.  

[ChidlomDweller]

On 12/2/2016 at 4:28 PM, TKDfella said:

This will increase prices and could mean the end of a holiday where meals are cheap (...only for the well off?)

There are nice and cheap food courts all over town.  Where do you think those 15,000 a month office workers eat?  For instance Amarin Plaza has a really nice food court where for 60 Baht you can have a big, tasty plate of food.  Had a great lunch yesterday in the Emporium food court, overlooking Benjasiri park from the 4th floor, for 90 Baht.  Neither of them are sterile places.  I used to live in Singapore, so I know what the meaning of sterile.

[pumpjack]

good idea

 

theyre a bloody nuisance

[dbrenn]

11 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Obviously never been in a food court. Try one sometime.

You mean the food courts in all those identical boring and soulless shopping malls? You could be in any modern city in the world. Why come to  Bangkok if you have no interest in its character and traditional culture? 

[ChidlomDweller]

Character and national culture my #%#.  No one's even argueing they should disappear forever, just move to their assigned locations.  You want that experience (too hot for me, thanks), go to a night market and at least have some real atmosphere.  My old soi used to have a 10-table restaurant on the 1-meter sidewalk, they even had parasols and wait staff.  Completely acted like they owned the place.  All the while there was a traffic jam eat least 5 hours every night with cars spitting fume.  Why would anyone fly from another part of the world to experience this?

[robblok]

4 hours ago, ChidlomDweller said:

 

That's the problem.  Give them a finger and they take the whole arm.  They really do act like the entire footpath belongs to them, with complete and utter disregard for other people.  It's one of the reasons I moved from Sukhumvit Soi 24, being sick and tired of them.  In an ideal world I'd like a compromise where there are street stalls in unobtrusive locations (of which there are plenty -- see OP), but since they show zero respect for others, let them reap the consequences.  By the nature of their interest and their selfishness, they will expressly seek out foot traffic bottlenecks.  

 

I also feel people make too much of the tourist appeal of those vendors.  Chatuchak and night markets, yes, but in their assigned place.  Those are nicer and much more charming than the vendors completely clogging up the sidewalks on Sukhumvit, Ratchadamri Road, etc.  

Yes that is the problem, they can't be policed they act like they own the place and bother people by blocking it all. If they just kept to their designated area's it would not be a problem. Just like with the beach recliners, they get an assigned lot and then encroach and bother others. 

 

I got nothing against street food (don't eat it much as i prefer restaurants) but hate how they are always there where they cause the most problems. In my village outskirts of BKK there is street food but its on places that don't block it all. 

[joeyg]

On 12/3/2016 at 0:24 PM, geriatrickid said:

 

Why do dso many elderly  westerners  insist that Thailand be held back and kept at 3rd world standards. Young Thaiis don't like dirty street vendors anymore than I do.  My friends who have been to Singapore  come back to Thailand feeling a bit embarrassed. If you want to live in a 3rd world setting, then yes, perhaps it is time to move to Laos or Cambodia or North Korea.

Hummm

[thaibeachlovers]

17 hours ago, Deepinthailand said:

Is there anywhere that you don't regard as a shit hole then

LOL. Nong Nooch is about as good as it gets. Than Sadet is pretty high on my list of non s*** h***s as well.

While a place may be a s*** h*** it doesn't mean that I  don't want to live there. Pattaya is as big a s*** h*** as there is, but I loved it there.

Bkk is a s*** h*** that I wouldn't want to live in.

[thaibeachlovers]

18 hours ago, nuakmuaynina said:

This is sad. I loved the street vendors, i can see how it might need controlling, but to get rid of entirely seems going a bit too far. London is becoming more sterile and boring by the day. looks like everywhere else is following suit.

I don't see it as getting rid of. I see as moving into areas off the pavements, as they should have been long ago.

Pavements are for people to walk on.

I hope they move the m'bike taxis on as well.

[ffaarraanngg]

9 hours ago, dbrenn said:

You mean the food courts in all those identical boring and soulless shopping malls? You could be in any modern city in the world. Why come to  Bangkok if you have no interest in its character and traditional culture? 

So they can spread their love of corporations and chain restaurants. These neolib snowflakes are currently getting a hiding throughout the world .... once the plebs rise up in Thailand normal service will be resumed and these people who've been put out of work by unelected bureaucrats will be back on the streets.

 

 

Edited December 6, 2016 by ffaarraanngg

[harrry]

try to move along a sidewalk in a wheelchair.   god move. rn Bangkok into what it was like in 1970.  

[thaibeachlovers]

9 hours ago, dbrenn said:

You mean the food courts in all those identical boring and soulless shopping malls? You could be in any modern city in the world. Why come to  Bangkok if you have no interest in its character and traditional culture? 

LOL. It would seem Thais like to live in any modern city in the world. Those people that crowd the identical boring and soulless shopping malls are Thai people, not tourists.

[Deepinthailand]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. Nong Nooch is about as good as it gets. Than Sadet is pretty high on my list of non s*** h***s as well.

While a place may be a s*** h*** it doesn't mean that I  don't want to live there. Pattaya is as big a s*** h*** as there is, but I loved it there.

Bkk is a s*** h*** that I wouldn't want to live in.

Lol good answer still laughing

[ffaarraanngg]

49 minutes ago, harrry said:

try to move along a sidewalk in a wheelchair.   god move. rn Bangkok into what it was like in 1970.  

To be fair that's bordering on impossible even without food stalls.

 

Good English by the way.

[TKDfella]

On 12/6/2016 at 5:04 AM, ChidlomDweller said:

There are nice and cheap food courts all over town.  Where do you think those 15,000 a month office workers eat?  For instance Amarin Plaza has a really nice food court where for 60 Baht you can have a big, tasty plate of food.  Had a great lunch yesterday in the Emporium food court, overlooking Benjasiri park from the 4th floor, for 90 Baht.  Neither of them are sterile places.  I used to live in Singapore, so I know what the meaning of sterile.

Food at shopping malls elsewhere are also cheaper than a restaurant but people come to Thailand to experience the street vendors not to eat in the malls. 

[georgemandm]

On 02/12/2016 at 2:37 PM, al007 said:

If this is True  SAD  SAD  very SAD

 

Most of these people do not make fortunes, they live from day to day

 

They add color, they add some very good street food

 

They are doing their best to survive and pay their way

 

Sending them to the approved markets will be the end of many

 

I suggest those making these rules in their chaufeured limosines change places for a week, this is just SO SAD

So do you  truly believe they are not making money .

i think not so , they are making good money I have seen some of them just  Rake the money in .

and the worst thing is not one would be paying in come  tax on sales.

to me clean them up get them off the streets then you can walk past with no trouble and the way they leave the streets dirty is a joke in it self .

[georgemandm]

2 hours ago, TKDfella said:

Food at shopping malls elsewhere are also cheaper than a restaurant but people come to Thailand to experience the street vendors not to eat in the malls. 

I don't believe people come to thailand for that rubbish street food .

got to  terminal 21 in bangkok would have some of the best thai food in thailand.

[georgemandm]

On 03/12/2016 at 0:20 PM, geriatrickid said:

 

The only elitist here is you. Do you work, or do you have a shop in the  affected  area? or are you one of thes epeople who has the luxury of  a pension and  can  just  loll about with all the time in the world? How many time sdoes it have to be explained to you why these black market merchants have to go?  I will give you the highlights;

 

1. Ingress/Egress: if there is a fire or an ambulance call, the congestion caused by these vendors impedes a rapid response. Wait until you drop with a stroke and  the ambulance can't get to you for 30 minutes and we can discuss again.

 

2. Unfair advantage: The shop keepers all pay taxes. The black marketeers do not. The vendors you idolize pay nothing for the municipal services they benefit from. It is unfair that the  shop operators pay taxes and these balck marketeers do not.

 

3. Corruption: The  black marketeers  pay bribes to locla officials to break the law. The only way to stop this is to get rid of the source of corruption. It's like a rat problem. Clean up the food source and the rats go away.

 

4. Pollution and  Health Hazard: The shopkeepers are a major source of illegal dumping of chemicals, of  trash and  of food leftovers. They cook in unclean conditions and they leave a mess behind.

 

5. Quality of life: The black marketeers take over public space that does not belong to them and force people into the road or to walk in  unsafe crowded manner. They hold everyone up.

 

For those of us who have somewhere to go and  appointments and things to do, goodbye and good riddance to this nuisance. They have bene given  appropriate merchant areas to peddle their garbage products. They can  go sell their Chinese junk that  falls apart after a few weeks in those locations.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Very , very true.

I have seen one in surin issan selling food on the side of the road I watched her for 5 minutes and she had up to 6 people wait for that rubbish she was marking and I know it was rubbish because my thai partner brought that  junk   and I ask was it good , she tells me no good and if you seen how she made it , you would feed it to your dog .

The  Point is , I work out on her  selling price and the people buying every hour she was making lots and lots of money no tax for sure like I  estimated 3,000 thai bht a day take away her cost she would end up with 2,000 a day in a month 60,000 tax free money not bad for a poor thai .