Bumrungrad is Thainess personified

[lvr181]

On ‎3‎/‎12‎/‎2016 at 3:39 PM, Dexlowe said:

Then reality strikes.

 

The bill arrives.

 

Aaaarghhhh -- I'm having a heart attack.....

 

 

 

(Bangkok Pattaya Hospital -- 2,300 baht to have my ears clean out -- twice as much as back home)

Back home my medical practice has no charge for that.

[muffy]

I find Bumrungrad to be too busy now with all the foreigners .

[Khon Kaen Dave]

d

Dexlowe

I know a young lady in soi 6 who has,among other attributes,the ability to suck a ping pong ball through a hose pipe,and has absolutely no gag reflex.So Blowing the wax out of your ear's would be a simple task for this Asian princess,and all included in the initial agreement price of 1000 B.

[Baerboxer]

I know their quality director. She is totally dedicated fully qualified nursing professional. They put enormous effort into quality control  including working with and advising overseas hospitals on quality of service.

Expensive - but you will be treated very well as a VIP. All my Middle East friend's go there with their families for check ups.

[stupidfarang]

Have been to Bumrungrad three times, very good hospital and great service/care but at the end of the day you are paying for the care and they will treat you very well. On my last visit I saw a general doctor first who said I need to see a specialist, saw the specialist was diagnosed as having stressed my tendons in my legs from to much walking (8 hours a day) , had a great chat about his holiday in Germany which he had just come back from, was given a prescription and I went to pay the bill and they did not charge me for the first doctor, (was no more than 2,500bhat, very happy. 

[abrahamzvi]

On 12/4/2016 at 0:50 PM, Trentham said:

I can tell you an even worse story about BNH Hospital. In 2008 - 9 they treated me for reflux. On two occasions I went to their emergency dept. at 3 Am  in terrible pain. Once they gave me a suppository and said I was constipated and on the other they laid me on a trolley for an hour with a drip in my arm which almost knocked me out. Meanwhile they kept feeding me reflux pills. I went home to Australia for a holiday and went to a local GP for some more reflux pills when I ran out. He refused them and sent me for tests. 2 weeks later I was in Royal Melbourne Hospital with pancreas cancer. I am one of about 3% who survive it. I WILL NEVER TRUST A THAI HOSPITAL with anything worse than a cold.

Again, I have to repeat myself, saying that whilst I do not doubt your story, I am more than surprised. As far as my own personal experience is concerned, it contradicts what you are saying.I have been diagnosed and treated correctly and properly in both Bumrungrad and Bangkok Hospitals, as well as years ago in Khon Kaen Ram in Khon Kaen. It can and does happen here in Thailand as well s in other developed countries that doctors misdiagnose ailments, but surely, if the person concerned is doubtful, or if the treatment recommended bring no relief, one should seek a second opinion, also here in Thailand. The same applies to other countries.

[Trentham]

19 minutes ago, abrahamzvi said:

Again, I have to repeat myself, saying that whilst I do not doubt your story, I am more than surprised. As far as my own personal experience is concerned, it contradicts what you are saying.I have been diagnosed and treated correctly and properly in both Bumrungrad and Bangkok Hospitals, as well as years ago in Khon Kaen Ram in Khon Kaen. It can and does happen here in Thailand as well s in other developed countries that doctors misdiagnose ailments, but surely, if the person concerned is doubtful, or if the treatment recommended bring no relief, one should seek a second opinion, also here in Thailand. The same applies to other countries.

Well I will tell you two more stories about BNH Hospital. I had bought myself a set of weights. Suddenly I had a terrible pain in my shoulder. Off to BNH and was told I had a pinched nerve in my neck. Traction every day for one month [cannot remember the cost of each visit]  and was not cured. They referred me to their orthopedic guy who said I needed a 350,000 baht operation. No way - back to Oz and it was a torn rotator cuff.

Then one night I broke a wine glass on the bench which then rolled onto my foot and a shard stabbed me. Blood everywhere so off to BNH [will I ever learn?] where I was told Xrays cannot pick up glass so I was just stitched up [both meanings]  and sent home. 4 days later a piece of glass emerged from the bottom of my foot so back to BNH where another doctor took an Xray and  found several small pieces of glass in there.

If you wish I can relate some bad experiences of some of my mates at BNH and Bumrungrad but I feel that you might be getting bored by now.

[RGBKK]

I had a disgusting experience with them. I suddenly developed severe, acute lower back pain and could barely walk. I called my insurance company, who told me they'd take care of everything. Next thing an ambulance arrived and I was taken to Bumrungrad. They did an MRI and found I had 2 slipped discs (this could have been diagnosed with CT, which is far less expensive). I spent 2 days there, was not given most meals as they kept ignoring that I am a strict vegetarian. One time a nurse came to give me morphine, yet did not flush the cannula before or after, & I knew she had just injected saline (I am a registered nurse in the U.K.) When I told her that she freaked out and made excuses then brought my medication. Upon release they wanted me to pay around 70k thb. I refused as I have insurance for that very reason! Apparently the insurance company hadn't 'authorised' payment yet. My argument is that they did not consult me about ordering an ambulance nor taking me to one of the most expensive hospitals here, there is no way I would have made those decisions if I thought I'd be financially liable. To add insult to injury, the hospital refused to discharge me unless I paid - I didn't even have a credit card with me as I was taken in so quickly and without consultation. They tried to demand my PP as a guarantee. I told them that it is illegal to hand over a passport to anyone other than a government official. I attempted to simply walk out as they were so rude, although I was stopped by security. As far as I'm concerned, payment was between my insurance company and the hospital, and there was no way I was going to pay that bill! As far as I know it's still being disputed. Regardless of that I would NEVER step foot in there again due to the treatment I received (and didn't receive)!


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[stupidfarang]

On 14/12/2016 at 7:47 AM, RGBKK said:

I had a disgusting experience with them. I suddenly developed severe, acute lower back pain and could barely walk. I called my insurance company, who told me they'd take care of everything. Next thing an ambulance arrived and I was taken to Bumrungrad. They did an MRI and found I had 2 slipped discs (this could have been diagnosed with CT, which is far less expensive). I spent 2 days there, was not given most meals as they kept ignoring that I am a strict vegetarian. One time a nurse came to give me morphine, yet did not flush the cannula before or after, & I knew she had just injected saline (I am a registered nurse in the U.K.) When I told her that she freaked out and made excuses then brought my medication. Upon release they wanted me to pay around 70k thb. I refused as I have insurance for that very reason! Apparently the insurance company hadn't 'authorised' payment yet. My argument is that they did not consult me about ordering an ambulance nor taking me to one of the most expensive hospitals here, there is no way I would have made those decisions if I thought I'd be financially liable. To add insult to injury, the hospital refused to discharge me unless I paid - I didn't even have a credit card with me as I was taken in so quickly and without consultation. They tried to demand my PP as a guarantee. I told them that it is illegal to hand over a passport to anyone other than a government official. I attempted to simply walk out as they were so rude, although I was stopped by security. As far as I'm concerned, payment was between my insurance company and the hospital, and there was no way I was going to pay that bill! As far as I know it's still being disputed. Regardless of that I would NEVER step foot in there again due to the treatment I received (and didn't receive)!


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A good lesson to be had, taking the word of an insurance company that all would be sorted is never a good idea, always get a name of who you spoke with, a reference number for the conversation and date an time then you have a record to go back to them on. Travel insurance companies have selected hospital's they work with in different country's so would only want you to go to one they work with. I was surprised being a nurse that you did not speak up before when the nurse did not clean the cannula. I know it is better to question doctors an nurses and challenge them if you are not happy with the answers or the quality of work even down to sorting the food out. If you have a voice then use it 

[scorecard]

On 12/3/2016 at 0:39 PM, Dexlowe said:

Then reality strikes.

 

The bill arrives.

 

Aaaarghhhh -- I'm having a heart attack.....

 

 

 

(Bangkok Pattaya Hospital -- 2,300 baht to have my ears clean out -- twice as much as back home)

 

 

And part way through the in-patient treatment you could discover that your child's name has been confused and your child has been receiving medicine for a different condition. 

[RGBKK]

A good lesson to be had, taking the word of an insurance company that all would be sorted is never a good idea, always get a name of who you spoke with, a reference number for the conversation and date an time then you have a record to go back to them on. Travel insurance companies have selected hospital's they work with in different country's so would only want you to go to one they work with. I was surprised being a nurse that you did not speak up before when the nurse did not clean the cannula. I know it is better to question doctors an nurses and challenge them if you are not happy with the answers or the quality of work even down to sorting the food out. If you have a voice then use it 

Agreed. The point regarding the nurse not giving my medication, is she either didn't believe I was in pain, and was injecting saline as prophylaxis (if I wasn't a nurse I wouldn't know that you flush the cannula first), OR, she had signed that she'd given me morphine and was stealing controlled drugs..


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[scoutman360]

I read the horror stories and certainly can't condone them. But my own experience there has been very good. I have always found very good doctors and even had surgery there with 100% recovery.

 

I always remind myself of my own bad experiences in the U.S. One doctor told me to go home and rest when I had strong stomach pains. A week later I was rushed to emergency to have my appendix removed. Bad doctors are everywhere.

[Trentham]

6 minutes ago, scoutman360 said:

I read the horror stories and certainly can't condone them. But my own experience there has been very good. I have always found very good doctors and even had surgery there with 100% recovery.

 

I always remind myself of my own bad experiences in the U.S. One doctor told me to go home and rest when I had strong stomach pains. A week later I was rushed to emergency to have my appendix removed. Bad doctors are everywhere.

Bad doctors are everywhere.  Yes but nowhere so concentrated as in Thai hospitals.

[chiang mai]

Just now, Trentham said:

Bad doctors are everywhere.  Yes but nowhere so concentrated as in Thai hospitals.

 

Can you substantiate the absolute crap and nonsense you just wrote?

[thaipod]

I've had  bad experiences with BNH. The last one was when my wife took me there after breaking 3 ribs and asked for an x ray and the doctor said I didn't need one and gave me antibiotics and pain killers. When I protested and insisted for a x ray, then the doctor refused to talk to me and had to go through the nurse on duty and the doctor told the nurse the result was no broken ribs.

 

The next day I went to another Hospital and sure enough x ray shows 3 broken ribs. 

[Trentham]

I am a 73 year old redhead and living in rural Australia as a kid I got sunburn nearly every week. I have been getting sun spots [keratosis] frozen off since I was 40. I had them done here too at Bumrungrad several times before I learned not to go there. Each time I was prescribed antibiotics and topical creams which were as expensive as the procedure and sold to me by the hospital. Home in Oz I was never given them and never suffered for not using them.

Another time I was in Phuket and wanted to stay I bit longer. The airline would not let me change my ticket without paying a huge fee unless I had a medical cert. to say I could not fly. So I went to the hospital and told them I was severely congested both nasally and in my chest. I did not tell them it was just an act to get out of the airline fee. I just said I was sick and I was examined by a doctor and  given my certificate.

In Nan hospital a friend was diagnosed as having macular degeneration. Terrified of blindness he went back to Oz for a check and there was nothing wrong.

Considering my earlier post wherein I said I would not trust a Thai hospital with anything worse than a cold and remembering my Phuket experience I now retract that. I would not trust them with anything at all.

[Trentham]

16 minutes ago, thaipod said:

I've had  bad experiences with BNH. The last one was when my wife took me there after breaking 3 ribs and asked for an x ray and the doctor said I didn't need one and gave me antibiotics and pain killers. When I protested and insisted for a x ray, then the doctor refused to talk to me and had to go through the nurse on duty and the doctor told the nurse the result was no broken ribs.

 

The next day I went to another Hospital and sure enough x ray shows 3 broken ribs. 

I just hope that the Thai medical authorities and the hospitals are reading following this topic.

[Trentham]

18 hours ago, chiang mai said:

 

Can you substantiate the absolute crap and nonsense you just wrote?

Well I see that stupid farang like your post. Well his name speaks for both of you.

[chiang mai]

1 hour ago, Trentham said:

Well I see that stupid farang like your post. Well his name speaks for both of you.

 

No, I didn't think you could.

 

Tell you what, here's a list of medical specialists we compiled a few years ago, tell us which ones are no good or better still, what percentage are no good and see how your answer marries up with your earlier statement.

 

 

[Trentham]

13 minutes ago, chiang mai said:

 

No, I didn't think you could.

 

Tell you what, here's a list of medical specialists we compiled a few years ago, tell us which ones are no good or better still, what percentage are no good and see how your answer marries up with your earlier statement.

 

 

You are just dying to see the pants sued off me aren't you.

[chiang mai]

38 minutes ago, Trentham said:

You are just dying to see the pants sued off me aren't you.

 

Not really.

 

Just give us a percentage, that's anonymous enough.

[Trentham]

40 minutes ago, chiang mai said:

 

Not really.

 

Just give us a percentage, that's anonymous enough.

Your question is just a nonsense and you are becoming quite boring. It is not possible for me to know the performance details of any of the doctors or hospitals in Thailand except the ones I have personal experience with or those that my many friends have had. You seem to be quite adamant about defending them and it makes me wonder whether you are one of these appalling doctors yourself or perhaps  a hospital manager. You are obviously denying the experiences of the dozens of people on this forum who have detailed some horrendous experiences. I have lived in Thailand for 12 years and have been the victim of some awful mistakes and malpractices [see my earlier posts in this topic] and many more of my friends here. After living the previous 60 years in Australia and therefore being aware of thousands of medical procedures of countless friends and family there in that time I cannot ever recall any of them experiencing what I alone have here in just 12 years.

Stop being an ostrich and look around yourself. You are endangering peoples lives and health by defending the system here.

If you respond to this post I shall ignore you. You are blind to the truth so there is no point in continuing this debate with you. I guess you don't believe in climate change as well.

[chiang mai]

You wrote:

 

"Bad doctors are everywhere.  Yes but nowhere so concentrated as in Thai hospitals" and I asked you to substantiate that claim and you couldn't even when given a sample of doctors in Chiang Mai as a model. I guess therefore it sounds as though you can't substantiate your claim, ergo it is simple a rant without foundation or substance.

 

As for the " experiences of the dozens of people on this forum who have detailed some horrendous experiences", and your experiences over 12 years here as a " victim of some awful mistakes and malpractice", I would want to understand each one on a case by case basis to better understand exactly what happened and how - frankly there's too many people on TVF who simply want to join the Thai bashing bandwagon and who invent these cases for them to be of any real concern to me.

 

Am I a doctor or hospital manager? Not even close! What I am is a resident here of over 14 years standing and someone who has seen more than my fair share of Thai hospitals and Thai doctors/surgeons - I also compiled a pretty extensive and detailed list of medical specialists in CM which is now pinned in the CM forum. As a result of that work over eighteen months I interviewed a lot of hospital staff, met a lot of medical professionals, engaged in public debate on the subject of expert medical care in Thailand and received a substantial amount of expert input on this subject. The conclusion at the end of all of that is nowhere near the statement that you made. The conclusion was and remains so today that there are many many very well trained and capable medical professionals in Thailand but that you have to approach the subject of expert care slightly differently here than back home, i.e. don't pick a hospital, pick a specialist and go to where ever he/she works; get several people to refer the same specialist before going to see them; for the serious stuff, see a recommended specialist who has overseas training and experience; ask a trusted doctor who they recommend, and so on and so on.

 

And whilst I'm sure that Australia has some great doctors also, I don't believe they never make mistakes, the UK has some great doctors but the NHS spent 2.5 billion Pounds fixing mistakes! https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/oct/16/mistakes-cost-nhs-billions-each-year

 

So, if you're going to make broad negative statements about the Thai medical system and the quality of Thai doctors, make sure it has some basis in fact and is not just a series of cheap shots that have no substance.

 

And I do believe in climate change, very much so.

 

 

[stupidfarang]

3 hours ago, Trentham said:

Well I see that stupid farang like your post. Well his name speaks for both of you.

Trentham you are so funny with your humour

[Scott]

Baiting post has been removed.

 

[balo]

If you flash your money every day you don't have to worry about thainess. But I think I would choose another place to do it than in an overpriced hospital