Bars/HappyHours....New, New Lows......

[LannaGuy]

20 hours ago, garryjohns said:

 

I agree with sanemax ie keep your so called hunting for girls for sex to yourself.

What you really mean is, and you do detail it is that you are looking for one of these girls who "need money now more than ever" who is desperate enough to accept your offer of payment to go have sex with you

You can call that hunting if you like, but IMO it is far from that, but P4P is often the only way some boys can get to meet a girl, and thats up to them, however i do feel sorry for such people who seem to be lacking in basic social dating skills.

 

As for your pointing out that the thread is called BARS/HAPPY HOURS..which in fact it is but what has that got to do with your little story about hunting for possible hookers gems?

 

Are you saying that BARS/HAPPY HOURS automatically = hookers  gems?

 

PS i also like gardening but as i do like to imbibe at times, but not engage in P4P ,a thread on BARS/HAPPY HOURS can be interesting, just sans the hookers ..

 

 

misquoting me is against TVF rules - do not say "what I really mean is' as that is NOT what 'I really mean' and my post does not say that

 

stick to gardening and your oh-so-good lifestyle this is a thread about BARS and in BARS, usually in Thailand, comes GIRLS or hadn't you noticed?   

[Rimmer]

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[garryjohns]

3 hours ago, LannaGuy said:

 

misquoting me is against TVF rules - do not say "what I really mean is' as that is NOT what 'I really mean' and my post does not say that

 

stick to gardening and your oh-so-good lifestyle this is a thread about BARS and in BARS, usually in Thailand, comes GIRLS or hadn't you noticed?   

 Interesting point that..yes i have noticed GIRLS in bars, and in my company when i want them.

Thing is tho' and this may seem a bit alien to you, i go to bars to drink and socialise with friends and aquaintances, talk, play pool, etc the normal bar stuff and when the sort of GIRLS you hunt turn up, they get the short shrift.

It sounds like you are one of these guys who thinks all GIRLS in bars are hookers, no doubt many are, but there is also a huge amount of ladies who just want to also drink and socialise, and possibly meet a nice guy..[you know, just like in the west..you do know, huh?} No??

Of course these ladies can pick an insecure,low self esteemed hunter  from miles away and not give them the time of day.

You say you've been here 10 years, so you surely must be capable of stringing enough phrases together in Thai to make conversation and a bit of sweet talk to one, so get a few mates [if you have some] with you and get out there and try the "oh-so-good" method.

Doesn't work 100% of the time,[as it doesn't in the west] but mostly does.

You must train yourself to not just say "how much "? rather easy.

PS i do agree for sure that the fun and ambience has long disappeared from the majority of bars, but still many that are okay.

 

PSS

Bet you all the tea in China that my bunch of home grown flowers ensures that i have breakfast with a far, far nicer lady than  the desperate for money one that you rented    [as you definitely quoted  " Girls need money more now than ever " }                     

Edited January 2, 2017 by garryjohns

[cyberfarang]

4 hours ago, garryjohns said:

 Interesting point that..yes i have noticed GIRLS in bars, and in my company when i want them.

Thing is tho' and this may seem a bit alien to you, i go to bars to drink and socialise with friends and aquaintances, talk, play pool, etc the normal bar stuff and when the sort of GIRLS you hunt turn up, they get the short shrift.

It sounds like you are one of these guys who thinks all GIRLS in bars are hookers, no doubt many are, but there is also a huge amount of ladies who just want to also drink and socialise, and possibly meet a nice guy..[you know, just like in the west..you do know, huh?} No??

Of course these ladies can pick an insecure,low self esteemed hunter  from miles away and not give them the time of day.

You say you've been here 10 years, so you surely must be capable of stringing enough phrases together in Thai to make conversation and a bit of sweet talk to one, so get a few mates [if you have some] with you and get out there and try the "oh-so-good" method.

Doesn't work 100% of the time,[as it doesn't in the west] but mostly does.

You must train yourself to not just say "how much "? rather easy.

PS i do agree for sure that the fun and ambience has long disappeared from the majority of bars, but still many that are okay.

 

PSS

Bet you all the tea in China that my bunch of home grown flowers ensures that i have breakfast with a far, far nicer lady than  the desperate for money one that you rented    [as you definitely quoted  " Girls need money more now than ever " }                     

The astrologers say that people’s characters and lifestyles are governed by the heavens that have an influence on their lives. They say that people under different star signs can be opposites and never really hit it off together or their characters clash.

 

But I disagree with the astrologers; to me there are only 2 types of people, the introverts and the extroverts. Rarely are extroverts and introverts compatible. There are levels of these 2 groups and how well these people can agree and mix depends on how low or high up their extrovertism and introvertism levels are. If a happy medium sometimes these people can meet halfway, that is for those who have the abilities to know how to use compromise in their understandings and relationships with others.

 

The bar scene will be more favourable to the extroverts who are inclined to be adventurous, have a wider range of social interests and enjoy intimacy with others around them, whether on a commercial or just a social context, whereas the introverts are more into themselves with narrower interests and can be locked firmly into their own worlds or with a very few handpicked circle of people around them they feel are in their comfort zone. Rarely do those who try to befriend introverts progress beyond the acquaintance stages unless willing and able to follow along with the introvert’s opinions and interests and at levels that tie in to what an introvert is into at the time. Introverts love to disagree and have others disagree with them and even if proven to have illogical thoughts the introvert will not be swayed from their opinions and their thoughts on how others should conduct themselves, because to them everything follows a narrow path and they perceive diversity as out of their scope of what they consider should be a normal path of behaviour.

 

There is nothing wrong with being an extrovert or an introvert or a mix of both. It would become boring if everyone was the same as it takes all sorts to make a world. The knack is being able to cross over into other people’s worlds at times without prejudice, becoming more adaptable that will bring enhancements to life for sure.

[rogeroc]

Been out on town tonight, the bar scene n LK and around Moon Muang completely lifeless. The worse i have known !

[stament]

too many posts, please can we please either get back on topic or close this thread which would be a shame.

 

Have any new bars opened recently thai or farang besides Hard Rock?

 

[mamborobert]

Can we agree that bar fining and having chat with bar girls are two different things.....

 

Playing pool, having a chat, having fun is something I do with people in a bar (staff or patrons).  Though I note that there are some comments on ability to converse but you can be selective here just as you can with expats.

 

Given the choice between buying a drink and having a chat with a bar girl who lives here, I know, is fun to be with, who I realise its her job, who needs the money.....to me is a lot more preferable generally  than being in the company of transients, backpackers, digial nomads, and Chang singlet afficionados.

 

As far as the Op is concerned I agree that CM Loi Kroh scene is in its death throws and has been for years.  There are fewer bars, fewer patrons, older ladies working there (past their best before but not their use by date).  The future certainly does not look promising.  But then it is sub zero now in my home town and I know where I prefer to be still.

[ubonjoe]

A off topic inflammatory post meant to derail the topic and the expected replies to it have been removed.

[Ace of Pop]

Happy Hours Drinking.I can't be happy where I am now,rural bloody place,cement bench in a Village ,tin o Leo and no company


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[sanemax]

9 minutes ago, LannaGuy said:

 

 it's nice to hear you 'know these girls in real life' rest is  pompous poppycock born out of contempt and ignorance

 

 

   A I agree that I do have a certain amount of contempt for some of the BGs , but its not due to ignorance , its due to real life experience . Having lived for a few years among them , seen all the lying , cheating and selfishness 

    I knew many because they lived in my condo building , I saw some of the girls in the day time , plain looking and not particularly friendly or sociable who suddenly transform to a  sexy looking lady with a bubbly personality in the evening .

    Their transformation is astonishing . 

    

[LannaGuy]

1 hour ago, sanemax said:

 

   A I agree that I do have a certain amount of contempt for some of the BGs , but its not due to ignorance , its due to real life experience . Having lived for a few years among them , seen all the lying , cheating and selfishness 

    I knew many because they lived in my condo building , I saw some of the girls in the day time , plain looking and not particularly friendly or sociable who suddenly transform to a  sexy looking lady with a bubbly personality in the evening .

    Their transformation is astonishing . 

    

 

I have met many BG's on my travels and, no, I rarely take one home but I have found some genuinely nice girls amongst them and I hold no contempt at all.  In fact I consider some of them heroines and sacrificing themselves for their babies - not all but some. I have also found some intelligent sideline girls who are secretaries, nurses, teachers who just seek to make a little money. There but for the Grace of God go I (and you) please respect them a little more and compassion will be your guiding light.  Sa Tu.

[Ace of Pop]

 
   A I agree that I do have a certain amount of contempt for some of the BGs , but its not due to ignorance , its due to real life experience . Having lived for a few years among them , seen all the lying , cheating and selfishness 
    I knew many because they lived in my condo building , I saw some of the girls in the day time , plain looking and not particularly friendly or sociable who suddenly transform to a  sexy looking lady with a bubbly personality in the evening .
    Their transformation is astonishing . 
    

Sound like an average Brit Wife


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[Paul Catton]

Take this topic back to title "Bars/Happy Hours, New, New Lows

Are they lows, or are they highs being a market correction (perhaps forced).

The posters perspective is of being (now) a rural alien on long term extensions of stay.

His viewpoints are valid to him, they seem to differ from some yet, also reinforced by others from a similar demographic.

The viewpoint of Urban long stay aliens also meets similar varied opinion.

Throw into the equation annual visitors, bucket list one offs and a OE (Overseas Experience) economical tourists, will all have a differing opinion.

 

I fall into the category of an "annual visitor" for this past decade, but I have been frequenting Thailand on occasion for the past three and half decades.

I do like eye candy in a bar!

Edited January 4, 2017 by Paul Catton

[cyberfarang]

3 hours ago, sanemax said:

 

   A I agree that I do have a certain amount of contempt for some of the BGs , but its not due to ignorance , its due to real life experience . Having lived for a few years among them , seen all the lying , cheating and selfishness 

    I knew many because they lived in my condo building , I saw some of the girls in the day time , plain looking and not particularly friendly or sociable who suddenly transform to a  sexy looking lady with a bubbly personality in the evening .

    Their transformation is astonishing . 

    

This is because many women can be like two sides of a coin. They can be how they want to be perceived by certain people. The reserved plain living girl next door or the party girl that loves to rave.

 

This is why when wives cheat it is usually the husbands who are the last to discover what is going on.

 

 

[Paul Catton]

8 minutes ago, cyberfarang said:

This is because many women can be like two sides of a coin. They can be how they want to be perceived by certain people. The reserved plain living girl next door or the party girl that loves to rave.

 

This is why when wives cheat it is usually the husbands who are the last to discover what is going on.

 

 

Zzzzzzzzz. and the priest is totally celibate but plays around with selected choirboys or any other analogy, rather than bringing thread back to topic.

[cyberfarang]

14 minutes ago, Paul Catton said:

Zzzzzzzzz. and the priest is totally celibate but plays around with selected choirboys or any other analogy, rather than bringing thread back to topic.

I think this topic has been done to death. We now all know the Chiang Mai nightlife is probably the worse in the whole of Thailand and is not likely to make a revival soon, so what more can be said on the subject?

[LannaGuy]

1 hour ago, cyberfarang said:

I think this topic has been done to death. We now all know the Chiang Mai nightlife is probably the worse in the whole of Thailand and is not likely to make a revival soon, so what more can be said on the subject?

little until the closing hours are relaxed

[Bill97]

We now all know the Chiang Mai nightlife is probably the worse in the whole of Thailand

Sorry, I did not know that and find it to be an extreme overstatement, more high drama to come sadly

[sanemax]

On 1/2/2017 at 1:00 AM, cyberfarang said:

Then at about 9. 45 pm we visited the Star Six bar. Business is now so bad that customers have no need to pay an entrance fee anymore; they can just walk directly into the bar. We went in and I was shocked. Appears the bar has been made smaller,

 

   Satarxix has actually changed location, it used to be next door , but thats now a building site 

[scottiejohn]

4 hours ago, Paul Catton said:

I do like eye candy in a bar!

I think that comment sums up what a large percentage of the posters will freely admit is all they are really likely to get in Loi Kroi etc.  The 'bygone' days are just that!

 

Make the most of it.

 

 

[WinnieTheKhwai]

On 12/31/2016 at 1:36 AM, cyberfarang said:

Considering hardly any new bars have opened for years in Chiang Mai and there seems to be nothing new on the horizon, is evidence enough that no new licenses are being granted.

 

 

Several have opened;  while that may seem like 'hardly any', new licenses were definitely granted, in the Loy Kroh area.  (Carnival Garden, near the old Star Six, as well as a second 'My Tirak' bar. (The large one inside the Boxing area that charges way too much)

 

And other bars have seen major investment / remodeling, such as Lucky Club, which is now a lot bigger as they acquired the bar next door. 

 

I'm also seeing many new bars inside Moon Muang Soi 2.  A decade ago that soi was almost completely dark, not there's lots of little bars (as well as restaurants, small hotels/hostels and more 'life' in general).   

 

Note: I'm not saying that all these places are hyper entertaining, especially the MM Soi 2 ones, just that they're new and they're selling alcohol, which presumably means they received a license.

 

One area where it's definitely tough / impossible to get a new license is on the main road on Loy Kroh.

Edited January 4, 2017 by WinnieTheKhwai

[sanemax]

11 minutes ago, WinnieTheKhwai said:

 

 

Several have opened;  while that may seem like 'hardly any', new licenses were definitely granted, in the Loy Kroh area.  (Carnival Garden, near the old Star Six, as well as a second 'My Tirak' bar. (The large one inside the Boxing area that charges way too much)

 

And other bars have seen major investment / remodeling, such as Lucky Club, which is now a lot bigger as they acquired the bar next door. 

 

I'm also seeing many new bars inside Moon Muang Soi 2.  A decade ago that soi was almost completely dark, not there's lots of little bars (as well as restaurants, small hotels/hostels and more 'life' in general).   

 

Note: I'm not saying that all these places are hyper entertaining, especially the MM Soi 2 ones, just that they're new and they're selling alcohol, which presumably means they received a license.

 

One area where it's definitely tough / impossible to get a new license is on the main road on Loy Kroh.

 

   There has only been one new bar , which has opened recently, thats the Sports bar and about 25 bars have closed down in that area in the last few years

[WinnieTheKhwai]

12 hours ago, sanemax said:

 

   There has only been one new bar , which has opened recently, thats the Sports bar and about 25 bars have closed down in that area in the last few years

 

I've listed more than one, by name.

 

Which 25 bars have closed?    I can think of one:  Cherry Bar on Loy Kroh. 

 

Possibly some bars closed in the Night Bazar building (different area), which were pretty new; that location doesn't really work. (Doesn't work for me either, I've been there just once or twice.)

[sanemax]

1 minute ago, WinnieTheKhwai said:

 

I've listed more than one, by name.

 

Which 25 bars have closed?    I can think of one:  Cherry Bar on Loy Kroh. 

 

Possibly some bars closed in the Night Bazar building (different area), which were pretty new; that location doesn't really work. (Doesn't work for me either, I've been there just once or twice.)

 

  The bars that you mentioned were not new bars , just old bars having a new name 

There have been eight bars closing along LK Soi 1 in the last few years alone. 

The Belgium bar next to the Playhouse closed as did the bar opposite (now a hairdressers) ,  The Wat bar closed , as did Sweetheart bar ,  the bar a few doors away from CM Saloon closed , Players bar, right down the other end closed , the bar where  Flight 21 now is closed , Mikes pizza bar also closed , as have three bars on the LK muay Thai boxing complex . Then there was the Half moon across the moat (not LK , but close) Tiger bar in the night bazzar complex along with numerous other bars in that complex ( not LK again, but close too) 

   Numerous other bars are for sale along LK , many have been on sale for a while, no buyers .

[stament]

Wat Bar closed years ago, though we were talking more recent

[sanemax]

16 minutes ago, stament said:

Wat Bar closed years ago, though we were talking more recent

 

   Off the 25 bars that I named that have closed recently, you pick the oldest one to close .

   The Wat bar closed about four years ago and all the other named bars have closed since then, most being in the last year or so .

[WinnieTheKhwai]

2 hours ago, sanemax said:

The bars that you mentioned were not new bars , just old bars having a new name 

There have been eight bars closing along LK Soi 1 in the last few years alone. 

The Belgium bar next to the Playhouse closed as did the bar opposite (now a hairdressers) ,  The Wat bar closed , as did Sweetheart bar ,  the bar a few doors away from CM Saloon closed , Players bar, right down the other end closed , the bar where  Flight 21 now is closed , Mikes pizza bar also closed , as have three bars on the LK muay Thai boxing complex . Then there was the Half moon across the moat (not LK , but close) Tiger bar in the night bazzar complex along with numerous other bars in that complex ( not LK again, but close too) 

   Numerous other bars are for sale along LK , many have been on sale for a while, no buyers .

 

Ok I'm somewhat impressed with the effort to list those places, but let me nit-pick at it. :)    

 

General point about old bars having a new name:  this means they changed owners, which also means a new license was issued.  My Teerak 2 was a gay bar before I think so it changed owners.   Carnival Garden is new, (new owner, new license) replacing a place called Shamrock.  (Had to check Google to confirm, I'm not actually this clued in to bar names. :) )  Considerable renovation work done on the building. 

 

Most of the other ones though I think is business as usual; you can have a similar list of restaurants closing, or any other business for that matter. Flight 21 is a legitimate example of a place that could not get an bar license after being taken over, located on the main LK road where licenses are no longer issued for new places.   

 

The What Bar changed owners years and years ago, I had to go back to 2011 to find historical evidence of it: 

 

 

But as we're going back that far, compared to the above you can see that The What bar merely changed owners and turned into a new bar. (M&M; The What was never that popular, with their weird music choice).   Other notable changes: A 7-Eleven actually disappeared (remarkable in itself) to make way for a much bigger Carnival Bar. Also So Nice is new: 

 

 

In the Boxing ring area I'm seeing a couple more bars than there were years ago, it goes up and down a bit there.   Players bar was the music pub that got raided for having Farangs playing there, the bar across from it (Downunder) changed owners.  A pizza bar closed.. come on. :)  If we're mentioning places like these then I might as well mention the Hard Rock Cafe opening up.  But yes, Mike's Pizza closed: 

 

 

But so did the Garden of Hope and a Dental Clinic, are we lamenting the loss or change of any place whatsoever I wonder.. Hostels and boutique hotels are way better business than Pizza, and brainwashing hilltribe kids with Jesus while putting them on display on main road for some reason:

 

 

CM Saloon area (Godawful restaurant by the way) Which bar near Saloon closed?  I'm seeing a new one:   (I don't doubt you though, places come and go all the time.)

 

 

(Wasn't there before: )

 

 

Soi 1..  5 years ago: 

 

 

There's whole new construction there on the left of course, still with a bar there.  Twogether bar moved to a much bigger space near the Night Bazar, down Charoen Prathet Soi 6.  Mai seems to be doing pretty good there. She's an interesting person actually, having run (or worked in) bars for 20 years straight but moving all over the map in that time.

 

 

End of the day though I do think we're seeing slower growth in the number of bars / bar stools, and maybe (hopefully?) the start of some consolidation in larger places that are a bit nicer.  Primary reason I think is the big influx in tourists in Chiang Mai, making hostels and boutique hotels a much better business.  I hate to say it but I was talking with a property owner about exactly this: that she'll make way more money if she kicks out a current (successful) bar that pays rent for under 10K Baht so she can turn the entire place into a hostel.  (A hostel makes that money in 2-3 days, not a whole month.)

 

Speaking more in general now, it's not always fair to blame property owners for raising rents;  some bars pay tiny tiny rents, and people wanting to open a shop or hostel/hotel will readily pay much more.  So it's not terribly unfair for property owners to tell bar owners that their rent moves from something like 6-8K to 15-20K.That's not squeezing out bar owners or being greedy, it's just money that's already on the table from people seeing a clear opportunity to run a more profitable business.   

 

While I don't think it's happening yet, I can see many of the small hole in the wall bars closing or moving. Mostly subject to tourist/expat demographics and changes in the marketplace, not so much due to government regulation.

Edited January 5, 2017 by WinnieTheKhwai

[sanemax]

Slow internet connection at the moment, so , briefly , The Mike pizza is a photo of the old pizza shop , they then opened up the adjoining premise and knocked it into one and had a bar on oneside  with a pool table , they sold pizzas in the day time and it was a bar at night . Unfortunately for them the new closing times came into effect just after they opened their bar area and it didnt work and they closed down .

  The bar near Chaing mai saloon which closed is on the corner going towards Muai Thai, its now a silver selling shop .

    The bars outside Muai Thai (Gay bar , 2 Brothers ?) keep opening and closing under different names (Shamrock 2) which suggests that they are not profitable .

    It was also possible to sell a bar and also the licence that went with it .

The fifth  photo down is a vegan restaurant /bar  , looks new, but it is also  now for sale .

   The "Best" bar went and they built a hotel on the place , Basic line bar is still there  in its place, but the bigger bar next door closed down , as did the previous wine bar there and also the little bar which is now a launderette closed down , all on that premesis

   

[WinnieTheKhwai]

54 minutes ago, sanemax said:

  The bar near Chaing mai saloon which closed is on the corner going towards Muai Thai, its now a silver selling shop .   

 

Ah ok. Seems to have been a bar very briefly only, at some point between 2011 and 2015 because it was already the silver place in early 2015, as in 2011 it was another shop of some kind.

 

 

 

 

[sanemax]

18 minutes ago, WinnieTheKhwai said:

 

Ah ok. Seems to have been a bar very briefly only, at some point between 2011 and 2015 because it was already the silver place in early 2015, as in 2011 it was another shop of some kind.

 

 

 

 

Yes, it was  bar before it was a silver selling shop

You could go and ask Ron next door for more details, the owner of CS