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[ilostmypassword]

1 hour ago, bark said:

People live longer then 40 years ago. Need to increase age of retirement to 70 years.

My Global research shows that this must be done soon. Or we will need to start killing off people over 90 years old.

People will sign a document to this effect, or they will not receive old age benefits.

Is this the same global research that revealed that the European retirement age is 55 and that Europeans get 6 weeks of vacation? 

[ilostmypassword]

1 hour ago, bark said:

People live longer then 40 years ago. Need to increase age of retirement to 70 years.

My Global research shows that this must be done soon. Or we will need to start killing off people over 90 years old.

People will sign a document to this effect, or they will not receive old age benefits.

What makes this proposal particularly nasty though is that it's blue collar workers - the people who tend to do more manual labor - whose bodies wear out faster and tend to live shorter lives. These are precisely the people - well, the white people - who supported Trump so strongly. And now you propose to stab them in the back. Congratulations.  You have demonstrated that you have mastered the art of the double cross.  Did you graduate from Trump University?

[bark]

1 minute ago, ilostmypassword said:

What makes this proposal particularly nasty though is that it's blue collar workers - the people who tend to do more manual labor - whose bodies wear out faster and tend to live shorter lives. These are precisely the people - well, the white people - who supported Trump so strongly. And now you propose to stab them in the back. Congratulations.  You have demonstrated that you have mastered the art of the double cross.  Did you graduate from Trump University?

90 year old people do not run Marathons.

 

 

[bark]

8 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

Is this the same global research that revealed that the European retirement age is 55 and that Europeans get 6 weeks of vacation? 

Correct

[ilostmypassword]

26 minutes ago, bark said:

90 year old people do not run Marathons.

 

 

Do you read what you write? You just advocated raising the retirement age to 70. What has that got to do with 90 year olds running marathons?

[RuamRudy]

1 hour ago, bark said:

People live longer then 40 years ago. Need to increase age of retirement to 70 years.

 

Or stop allowing corporations to salt away money in international tax havens, start paying people decent, living wages, and stop conditioning our kids to believe that unbridled consumption is a positive thing.

And force the Trumps and Helmsleys of this world pay their taxes rather than relying on the little people to do that.

[Naam]

1 hour ago, bark said:

1 hour ago, ilostmypassword said:

Is this the same global research that revealed that the European retirement age is 55 and that Europeans get 6 weeks of vacation? 

Correct

no, it's not correct. EU countries have different retirement ages and different vacation entitlements. retirement age in Germany is presently 65. younger citizens will retire at 66, 67 and 69 depending on date of birth and vacation entitlement depends on age (starting with 4 weeks).

[bark]

50 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

Do you read what you write? You just advocated raising the retirement age to 70. What has that got to do with 90 year olds running marathons?

No need to explain to you.

[bark]

41 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Or stop allowing corporations to salt away money in international tax havens, start paying people decent, living wages, and stop conditioning our kids to believe that unbridled consumption is a positive thing.

And force the Trumps and Helmsleys of this world pay their taxes rather than relying on the little people to do that.

Trump creates jobs for people who pay taxes. Keeping Americans working.

[RuamRudy]

1 minute ago, bark said:

Trump creates jobs for people who pay taxes. Keeping Americans working.

 

So you agree that only the little people should pay taxes?

[bark]

1 minute ago, RuamRudy said:

 

So you agree that only the little people should pay taxes?

I agree that the tax laws are made so that little people cannot take advantage of the laws to reduce the percentage of taxes paid. Trump will change it. He is not the businessman, he is president of the USA and the free world , as we know it.

It will improve for you some, I hope.

[Prbkk]

9 hours ago, Stargrazer9889 said:

I guess  Spain, Italy  and  France all  wished  they  were  more  like  Germany  and  so  much  less like Greece.  The  fact  is  that  too many  are  more  like Greece  and will not  admit  it.   Good  Luck   countries  of  Europe,  you  all  need  it!

Geezer

 

Probably the Spanish, Italians, Greeks prefer to stay as they have been up until 2009: they just wanted others to pay for it ( including future generations in their own countries). Well, good while it lasted but the wheels (and the gloves) are well and truly off now.

[ilostmypassword]

12 minutes ago, Prbkk said:

 

Probably the Spanish, Italians, Greeks prefer to stay as they have been up until 2009: they just wanted others to pay for it ( including future generations in their own countries). Well, good while it lasted but the wheels (and the gloves) are well and truly off now.

This immunity to facts is extraordinary. Where did you get vaccinated? Before the financial crisis struck, Spain had a low and lowering debt to gdp ratio. Their crisis was entirely a private sector problem.  Private banks made bad loans on construction projects.  But the Eurocrats forced the Spanish public to indemnify the private banks. But as long as your kind of delusion exists, bankers will be immune from paying for the consequences of their folly and greed.

[Naam]

50 minutes ago, bark said:

Trump will change it. He is not the businessman, he is president of the USA and the free world

[Prbkk]

1 hour ago, ilostmypassword said:

This immunity to facts is extraordinary. Where did you get vaccinated? Before the financial crisis struck, Spain had a low and lowering debt to gdp ratio. Their crisis was entirely a private sector problem.  Private banks made bad loans on construction projects.  But the Eurocrats forced the Spanish public to indemnify the private banks. But as long as your kind of delusion exists, bankers will be immune from paying for the consequences of their folly and greed.

 

How was a budget deficit of 11% (2009) , staggeringly huge by anyone's definition, entirely a private sector matter?. Spain had been 'prospering' on the basis of an unsustainable property bubble and overly generous social security entitlements. Tragic for the forgotten generation of unemployed and not helped by foreign bankers: but even so, a crisis of Spain's making, all things considered.

[ilostmypassword]

25 minutes ago, Prbkk said:

 

How was a budget deficit of 11% (2009) , staggeringly huge by anyone's definition, entirely a private sector matter?. Spain had been 'prospering' on the basis of an unsustainable property bubble and overly generous social security entitlements. Tragic for the forgotten generation of unemployed and not helped by foreign bankers: but even so, a crisis of Spain's making, all things considered.

Tell me, what was Spain's budget deficit in 2004? The answer is 0. What was the deficit in 2005? Actually there was no deficit, The budget was in surplus. What about 2006? Again surplus?  In fact if you look at Spains deficit from 1996 to 2007 it kept on getting lower and lower.

What happened in 2007? The bottom fell out of the property market. So there was a massive loss of income from taxes. Naturally the budget fell into a deficit. It reached, as you noted, 11 percent of GDP in 2009.  In the USA the deficit at its height reached 10%.  But the USA has its own currency. But what has made recovery so grindingly slow for Spain is something out of Spain's control: the Euro.  In the past, when a country's economy crashed,  its currency devalued. which meant purchases were reduced and exports increased. Like the dollar. But with the Euro, this really couldn't happen because the healthy economies of Northern Europe sustained it. . So instead Spain has suffered from deflation or too low an inflation rate. This makes a recovery grindingly slow for no good reason.  So no, not primarily of Spain's making at all. Why should private Spanish citizens indemnify the foolishness of banks? Did individual Spaniards offer guarantees to the banks?  Why shouldn't bank shareholders bear the burden? Let the banks go bankrupt. And why should Spain be burdened with the Euro?  It was always a bad idea. Virtually all American economists left right and center didn't understand the rationale. And they still don't.

[hawker9000]

22 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

 

There are few things I can think of more worthy than demonstrating defiance against an uncaring government and showing solidarity amongst the people. We need much more of this, worldwide.

That would be the overspent and now broke government(s) they voted for?  There are few things I can think of that are dumber than demanding unsustainable "benefits" from government, and then taking to the streets and moaning about the inevitable austerity when the credit finally plays out and the debts must be paid.   What we need more of is simple plain common sense (which WOULD have avoided this!).   Worldwide.   (And I don't exclude my own hopelessly indebted, socialist-leaning, entitlement-riddled, nanny-state country.)

 

There's an obvious difference between "broke" and "uncaring", and between "defiance" and "irresponsibility".   "Solidarity"?  Yeah, ok.   The word used to mean something, but is now sadly just a ridiculous euphemism for yet another nation addicted by socialists to living beyond its means.  'Socialists who're now going to blame it on the actually still productive nations that extended the credit...

 

 

[RuamRudy]

39 minutes ago, hawker9000 said:

That would be the overspent and now broke government(s) they voted for?  There are few things I can think of that are dumber than demanding unsustainable "benefits" from government, and then taking to the streets and moaning about the inevitable austerity when the credit finally plays out and the debts must be paid.   What we need more of is simple plain common sense (which WOULD have avoided this!).   Worldwide.   (And I don't exclude my own hopelessly indebted, socialist-leaning, entitlement-riddled, nanny-state country.)

 

There's an obvious difference between "broke" and "uncaring", and between "defiance" and "irresponsibility".   "Solidarity"?  Yeah, ok.   The word used to mean something, but is now sadly just a ridiculous euphemism for yet another nation addicted by socialists to living beyond its means.  'Socialists who're now going to blame it on the actually still productive nations that extended the credit...

 

 

 

I am not sure which country you come from, but my country, the UK, has had successive flavours Reaganism-Thatcherism for the past 30 odd years and our finances have never been so rotten, so your disdain for socialism is very wide of the mark - turn your ire  towards  our ongoing and deliberate attempts to turn pure capitalism into skewed, selfish capitalism.

 

It wasn't the unemployed who broke our country; it wasn't the sick and disabled who avoided paying millions in taxes and rewrote the laws to make that legal; it wasn't the ordinary working man who racked up debt levels to the current, eye-watering levels. But, sadly, as long as there are people like you who moan and complain about the rights of the regular people in society the government can relax, because you are doing their work for them.

[hawker9000]

14 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

I am not sure which country you come from, but my country, the UK, has had successive flavours Reaganism-Thatcherism for the past 30 odd years and our finances have never been so rotten, so your disdain for socialism is very wide of the mark - turn your ire  towards  our ongoing and deliberate attempts to turn pure capitalism into skewed, selfish capitalism.

 

It wasn't the unemployed who broke our country; it wasn't the sick and disabled who avoided paying millions in taxes and rewrote the laws to make that legal; it wasn't the ordinary working man who racked up debt levels to the current, eye-watering levels. But, sadly, as long as there are people like you who moan and complain about the rights of the regular people in society the government can relax, because you are doing their work for them.

Not about the UK OR the US (I was merely disclaiming any exemption from socialist damage or national indebtedness on the part of the US).  So your attempt to deflect the discussion with emotional appeals on behalf of the poor & downtrodden grounded in urban myth is lame.

 

THIS topic is about Spain.  'Don't think there's been much "Reaganism/Thatcherism" there.   It's another Greece.   Same symptoms, same disease.

 

But sadly, as long as there are people like you who moan and complain about the evils of self-reliance, individual rights and liberties (e.g., from confiscation of their property by undisciplined, unrestrained, voracious governments consisting of politicians feathering their own nests with social "programs" at taxpayer expense), the potential & opportunity for rich reward for hard work (and the jobs that creates), and secure sustainable economies, the government can relax and continue their session at the trough because drones like you are doing their work for them.

[Ace of Pop]

So why don't the Brits N Germans send them a Few Billon Euros Isn't that the whole point of the EU, prop up lame ducks n take in Financial Refugees whilst ignoring their own kinfolks wishes


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[RuamRudy]

23 minutes ago, hawker9000 said:

Not about the UK OR the US (I was merely disclaiming any exemption from socialist damage or national indebtedness on the part of the US).  So your attempt to deflect the discussion with emotional appeals on behalf of the poor & downtrodden grounded in urban myth is lame.

 

THIS topic is about Spain.  'Don't think there's been much "Reaganism/Thatcherism" there.   It's another Greece.   Same symptoms, same disease.

 

But sadly, as long as there are people like you who moan and complain about the evils of self-reliance, individual rights and liberties (e.g., from confiscation of their property by undisciplined, unrestrained, voracious governments consisting of politicians feathering their own nests with social "programs" at taxpayer expense), the potential & opportunity for rich reward for hard work (and the jobs that creates), and secure sustainable economies, the government can relax and continue their session at the trough because drones like you are doing their work for them.

 

YOU were the one who opened up the international aspect, not me:

 

1 hour ago, hawker9000 said:

Worldwide.   (And I don't exclude my own hopelessly indebted, socialist-leaning, entitlement-riddled, nanny-state country.)

 

Since the abject failure of reaganomics and the falsehood of trickle down economics, since the days of elected leaders spouting such garbage as 'there is no such thing as society', those who swallowed that lie are trying to live down to it. You talk about self reliance but that is simply a self aggrandising way to describe greed and avarice.