4 hours ago, seahorse said:

That sounds very much like victim blaming to me.

It does not sound like victim blaming at all. Today everybody is well aware of all the risks regarding theft and burglary. What the post meant is that it´s also with that knowledge up to every person to take the nessecary precautions. Simply explained is that you put your money where people can not take or steal them from you. As for paying bills that can today mostly be done in the bank or at the counter in a shop with your card without any risks at all. Just two of all the possibilities there is to protect yourself. leaving money where people can grab it is just same stupid like not locking the shop when you go for lunch, which is something that is very common too.

 

4 hours ago, halloween said:

 

Yes, some people have difficulty with the concept of personal responsibility.

Regarding to the subject above and regarded to todays criminal society, is the first concept of personal responsibility to protect yourself by just taking the nessecary precautions. Just pure reality. How unfortunate and bad it might seem, it´s still 100 percent reality. You can not change the peoples difficulties with understanding, but you can understand and make it more difficult for all that not understand.

The only way to get the lazy b$&$@) to do something is pay them ,bunch of useless c&@$$.i saw a police road block today and people were turning around 10 meters before it and the lazy plod just stood there like stuffed animals

Noona should prepare to be taken to court for slandering the RTP. 

Kick a dog or speak about the unspeakable and your in trouble ,anything else and no problem in the land of stupid

So what was the perp doing with / to the bike?

1 hour ago, 1duckyboy said:

Noona should prepare to be taken to court for slandering the RTP. 

Slander? How so? Def:

slander

1. the action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation.

1 hour ago, williamgeorgeallen said:

my business pay the cops 1000thb per month and thats what you need to do if you want security. i suspect thai businesses would pay less. cops work like a private company. guy probably pays no tax but expects free policing. 

 

Security, or the illusion of security?   Is that 1000 baht just so they don't victimize you, or does that cover protection from 3rd party baddies as well?

 

Like insurance, I suspect a lot of guys only find out what it actually covers when they have to make a claim...

Edited December 21, 20169 yr by impulse

3 hours ago, wvavin said:

Since when the Thai police is capable and useful? 

Ever since the computer crimes act provided them with immunity or impunity cannot remember which is correct. Ah yes the computer crimes act all encompassing and open to their interpretation only because of course they dreamed it up.  

4 hours ago, sandgroper2 said:

Congratulations, ,your the first in line for the monkey house under the computer crimes act.One of the most serious claims of defamation against the Royal Thai Police I haver seen published. 

Really? You have never heard these kind of claims before? I hear what you are saying, people have to be very careful about what they write but this will be one of countless comments I have read in the past.

2 hours ago, Get Real said:

It does not sound like victim blaming at all. Today everybody is well aware of all the risks regarding theft and burglary. What the post meant is that it´s also with that knowledge up to every person to take the nessecary precautions. Simply explained is that you put your money where people can not take or steal them from you. As for paying bills that can today mostly be done in the bank or at the counter in a shop with your card without any risks at all. Just two of all the possibilities there is to protect yourself. leaving money where people can grab it is just same stupid like not locking the shop when you go for lunch, which is something that is very common too.

 

Regarding to the subject above and regarded to todays criminal society, is the first concept of personal responsibility to protect yourself by just taking the nessecary precautions. Just pure reality. How unfortunate and bad it might seem, it´s still 100 percent reality. You can not change the peoples difficulties with understanding, but you can understand and make it more difficult for all that not understand.

Whether someone has perhaps taken less precaution then possible is irrelevant, they are still a victim of crime and the guilty party is the thief. 

 

I am willing to bet that if you analyse the precautions taken after a theft most if not all situations could have been improved regarding security of your stolen property. In this example it does not state how the money was stolen but i very much doubt the cash was lying, fanned out across the reception desk with nobody around. In a handbag under the desk, much more likely but how many women (or men) do that kind of thing?

 

I think pointing the blame at the victim, or stating that they are somehow responsible for not taking every possible precaution is the wrong way to think about it. the guilty party in the thief, the person at fault is the thief, the one you should be focusing on is the thief. nobody can ever protect themselves 100% from crime no matter what they do.

8 hours ago, halloween said:

Why leave B20,000 where it could be stolen?

Ahah Another insane comment just to keep the thread going...

52 minutes ago, GAZZPA said:

Whether someone has perhaps taken less precaution then possible is irrelevant, they are still a victim of crime and the guilty party is the thief. 

 

I am willing to bet that if you analyse the precautions taken after a theft most if not all situations could have been improved regarding security of your stolen property. In this example it does not state how the money was stolen but i very much doubt the cash was lying, fanned out across the reception desk with nobody around. In a handbag under the desk, much more likely but how many women (or men) do that kind of thing?

 

I think pointing the blame at the victim, or stating that they are somehow responsible for not taking every possible precaution is the wrong way to think about it. the guilty party in the thief, the person at fault is the thief, the one you should be focusing on is the thief. nobody can ever protect themselves 100% from crime no matter what they do.

You are right! Off course it´s the thief that is guilty and the criminal that is wrong. I never said it wasn´t. The thing I say is that it´s absolutely not enough to have your money in a bag under the desk today. People that do like this in other countries that have insurrancies for even small theft, they will not get any use of the insurrance if they handle thier money that way. Here it´s also so much talk everyday about all that is wrong and not up to par with what all call the modern developed world. If that is going to continue there must be the same intelligence used in all kind of situations. If I put money in a bag under a desk and somebody stole it, I would feel so dumb so I would never make a report out of that. But ,on the other hand, that´s just me.

46 minutes ago, Destiny1990 said:

Ahah Another insane comment just to keep the thread going...

If you think a little bit. The comment is not that crazy. Would you do it yourself? Probably nope! You would put it in your belt bag or in your pocket or at least have it in a locked drawer that you can observe while working. That´s unfortunately what is necessary in todays nasty world. I totally agree that the theif is the wrongdoer and the criminal and off course should be punished, but it´s also up to everybody to provide protection for their valubles and money. As an example you can many time hear about that maids from Lao or Cambodia steal for millions from the places they work. If it´s true, that is horrible. That means that people in thoose houses give their maid they don´t really know access to or just have their money and gold out in the open in their homes. How clever is that?

14 minutes ago, Get Real said:

You are right! Off course it´s the thief that is guilty and the criminal that is wrong. I never said it wasn´t. The thing I say is that it´s absolutely not enough to have your money in a bag under the desk today. People that do like this in other countries that have insurrancies for even small theft, they will not get any use of the insurrance if they handle thier money that way. Here it´s also so much talk everyday about all that is wrong and not up to par with what all call the modern developed world. If that is going to continue there must be the same intelligence used in all kind of situations. If I put money in a bag under a desk and somebody stole it, I would feel so dumb so I would never make a report out of that. But ,on the other hand, that´s just me.

Well, all I can say is there a lot of dumb people in the world because it is most definitely common for women to leave handbags under desks or counters and me to leave rucksacks / briefcases etc. 

 

I guess we will just have to disagree on this.

25 minutes ago, Get Real said:

If you think a little bit. The comment is not that crazy. Would you do it yourself? Probably nope! You would put it in your belt bag or in your pocket or at least have it in a locked drawer that you can observe while working. That´s unfortunately what is necessary in todays nasty world. I totally agree that the theif is the wrongdoer and the criminal and off course should be punished, but it´s also up to everybody to provide protection for their valubles and money. As an example you can many time hear about that maids from Lao or Cambodia steal for millions from the places they work. If it´s true, that is horrible. That means that people in thoose houses give their maid they don´t really know access to or just have their money and gold out in the open in their homes. How clever is that?

Well maybe u like turn things always around.so if u hire a maid thai cambodian whatsoever if in case they rob ur house empty then its simply ur own fault for trusting the wrong person ?maybe the home owner need go to jail for hiring the maid?

20 minutes ago, Destiny1990 said:

Well maybe u like turn things always around.so if u hire a maid thai cambodian whatsoever if in case they rob ur house empty then its simply ur own fault for trusting the wrong person ?maybe the home owner need go to jail for hiring the maid?

As always you read what you like to read. Not turn anything around. Just point out the obvious. If you bother to read I also said in the message like this: " I totally agree that the theif is the wrongdoer and the criminal and off course should be punished", so just where do you get your strange comment about the home owner needs to go to jail? Never said that. Just point out the obvious truth we all have to live in, and you appearently like to make fun out of it. How can you come up with a summary of what you just wrote by reading my post? Makes me think about the reading and understanding skills.

5 hours ago, fruitman said:

... hundreds of people were watching but he did NOT loose face. 

 

 

 

He kept a tight face, eh?

 

Astounding the number of people on this forum who do not know the difference between lose and loose. 

4 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Security, or the illusion of security?   Is that 1000 baht just so they don't victimize you, or does that cover protection from 3rd party baddies as well?

 

Like insurance, I suspect a lot of guys only find out what it actually covers when they have to make a claim...

they put a red letter box on the front of the shop and come sign the book inside every couple days. seems to be a good deterant. since we started paying the fee we have not had an thais, including the staff steal anything and just one foreigner steal some gear. they were quite prompt coming to investigate the theft but the guy had left thailand the next day so not much they could do.

4 hours ago, Get Real said:

You are right! Off course it´s the thief that is guilty and the criminal that is wrong. I never said it wasn´t. The thing I say is that it´s absolutely not enough to have your money in a bag under the desk today. People that do like this in other countries that have insurrancies for even small theft, they will not get any use of the insurrance if they handle thier money that way. Here it´s also so much talk everyday about all that is wrong and not up to par with what all call the modern developed world. If that is going to continue there must be the same intelligence used in all kind of situations. If I put money in a bag under a desk and somebody stole it, I would feel so dumb so I would never make a report out of that. But ,on the other hand, that´s just me.

So where would you put the money? In a safe? this could be quite awkward when trying to conduct business. On your person? then you would say that he was part to blame when he got killed for it as many people knew he kept it in his pocket. He may not even be able to afford a safe.  It is the criminals fault and nobody else.

20 minutes ago, Grubster said:

So where would you put the money? In a safe? this could be quite awkward when trying to conduct business. On your person? then you would say that he was part to blame when he got killed for it as many people knew he kept it in his pocket. He may not even be able to afford a safe.  It is the criminals fault and nobody else.

Enough is enough! I have to say again that I agree with that it´s the criminals fault. Why is that so hard for all here to understand. I know that reading disabilities are quite common today, but don´t believe it´s that. I just say that there are many ways to protect yourself from theft today. Regarding money it´s just to pay with a card instead. everybody can afford that , ööööh! Please try to understand what you read before you comment.

7 minutes ago, Get Real said:

Enough is enough! I have to say again that I agree with that it´s the criminals fault. Why is that so hard for all here to understand. I know that reading disabilities are quite common today, but don´t believe it´s that. I just say that there are many ways to protect yourself from theft today. Regarding money it´s just to pay with a card instead. everybody can afford that , ööööh! Please try to understand what you read before you comment.

You never answered my question, where would you put the money? Are you saying that you would not take cash in your store, only cards? Please try to understand what you are saying befor you sound so stupid.

so what is new???

On 20/12/2016 at 9:43 PM, Bluespunk said:

They tend not to act unless there is something in it for them.

 

Or the countries tourist image is at risk.

Or in this instance it might fair to say that "Crime does not pay-enough..."

10 hours ago, selftaopath said:

Slander? How so? Def:

slander

1. the action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation.

Not in Thailand.  Slander has no requirement to be false to sue against.  The law here is quite different on slander or libel from what we remember back home.  If people are embarrassed by true things you say against them they can still sue.  It is the fact that you made them embarrassed that is the point of law, not whether it is true or not.  It is one of many aspects of Thai law that should get changed one day.

10 hours ago, Grubster said:

You never answered my question, where would you put the money? Are you saying that you would not take cash in your store, only cards? Please try to understand what you are saying befor you sound so stupid.

You´re just a lost cause.... A cash register would be good, if you want to take cards with that is up to you. Have for fairly good price in Big C, and if you own a shop you probably can afford one. If not there are other ways to keep money. I knew that, everybody else knows that, why don´t you.

When you now have the cash register it has a possibility to lock the drawer. See how easy it was, and that was only one way to protect yourself. Has been talk about safe and that they are to expensive for most of people. That´s not true. Have a simple securitybox, that you can bolt to a place of your choise for under 1000 bath. 

The days of keeping 20000 bath in a cookie jar is over, and the one that doesn´t understand that has some serious issues.

However, what I have been saying is that it´s stupid to keep money and valubles in unsafe places, and believe that everything is okey, and I will stand by that. My discussion with you is over.

Edited December 21, 20169 yr by Get Real

Thailands' Smart Police in action.!!

On Wednesday, December 21, 2016 at 5:24 AM, Briggsy said:

Another reason for the police inaction is that the burglar is a police informant, the burglar himself pays off the police or provides assistance to the police in terms of, say, fencing stolen goods. Either way, he would be under police protection.

 

Remember the police manage crime (to acceptable levels) for profit. This includes burglary and vehicle theft rings. They are not there to prevent crime. The police structure here is designed so all officers have to be on the take, have to 'rent-seek', have to pass money up the chain and must use their time and resources to ensure they achieve all these financial goals.

Correct...I was going to say the same or similar thing.

Often enough...once they apprehend a person for a crime that involves some money the police will incorporate that person for various tasks as you have mentioned while the criminal becomes a good earner for the police or used to some advantage and most likely under duress or threat to be arrested and jailed....so in effect forced to cooperate .

How widespread this is would be hard to say but for sure a percent of the criminal activity going involves criminals working ..so to speak..... for the police.

This may be one of them

 

Cheers 

8 hours ago, The Deerhunter said:

Not in Thailand.  Slander has no requirement to be false to sue against.  The law here is quite different on slander or libel from what we remember back home.  If people are embarrassed by true things you say against them they can still sue.  It is the fact that you made them embarrassed that is the point of law, not whether it is true or not.  It is one of many aspects of Thai law that should get changed one day.

True and usually somewhat reserved for wealthy people and or people of importance and status.

Lawyers love the law and they will jump on the chance to press forward with a libel or slander or defamation of character laws suit.

I do not know but I surmise that the average common man on the street can not afford a lawyer to press a libel  lawsuit against another common person as we usually see the law used by wealthy people to put a stop to the criticisms of other people  lower on the social scale as it has to be remembered how Thailand is a hierarchical society.

That being the case most of the common folk would find it very difficult to launch a libel or slander or defamation of characters lawsuit against a larger or more important opponent that has status and wealth etc....but in turn that person or corporation can sue the little guy more than easily enough using the slander or libel or defamation of character laws to their distinct advantage and effectively stifle the criticisms and or gossip from spreading.

As seen with the recent Andy Hall case and other cases where journalists and news reporters expose the malfeasance or wrong doings ( illegal activities ) of individuals or corporations or some business enterprise or government entity or private entity and in effect slander the person(s) involved while they are eventually accused of defaming the persons or company or entity being exposed.

The use of those laws are a quick means to put a stop to the criticisms or any further exposure of wrong doings.

It works well here in Thailand and often used...but not so much by the little guys, so to speak.

Cheers

I can't finish reading this thread.  You guys are sick heads.     We a ,D.   

Edited December 22, 20169 yr by Elkski

2 hours ago, rodney earl said:

Thailands' Smart Police in action.!!

Okey, that´s your way of thinking and your opinion. If it´s reality and right can be discussed.

 

Maybe the polica are much smarter than you seem to think and believe. Comes like a suprise, I suppose!
If you are a person that puts money in a place where you are and somebody can steal your money without any efford to open or break somthing so you might hear them, or fysically harn you in any way to get the money from you, maybe the police look at that like the money is not especially important for you. If it´s not a priority for you, why would it be for them when it looks like you don´t care about your 20000 bath?
In todays world all people knows that crime is present in everyday life, and it´s super naive to believe something else.

Like I said before, I will off course see that the theif is the guily one, but in my own opinion it´s very much up to you to protect your assets from something like this happening.