46 minutes ago, ramrod711 said:

If I had my way, ALL former politicians would be banned for life. Every one of them had the opportunity to say no to corruption, to lead by example. Every one of them is worthless.

 Only former politicians????

4 hours ago, possum1931 said:

You haven't seen Cyril Smith, the late UK Liberal MP.

Also a p-do - Cyril Smith I mean.

Edited January 2, 20179 yr by George Graham

44 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

 Only former politicians????

 

That's all there are, unless you're counting the current government.

4 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Ahbisit will need to restore public faith to himself. Twice boycotting elections, colluding with the military to form a government and appearing on anti-democracy demonstrator stages are not the type of behavior of a leader of the oldest party called inappropriately the Democratic Party. 

you mean unlike the ptp who stood on stage next to the red terrorists and cheered and clapped when they told how they killed kids and women with bombs, called for Bangkok to be burnt down etc, yep, a real threat wasnt he

 

Who in the current regime would listen to a coward who hid behind Suthep's back????

10 minutes ago, seajae said:

you mean unlike the ptp who stood on stage next to the red terrorists and cheered and clapped when they told how they killed kids and women with bombs, called for Bangkok to be burnt down etc, yep, a real threat wasnt he

 

 

Dont be over zealous and read carefully what I posted. Stick to leader of political party. Yingluck was not on that stage and she condemned the Red Shirt who carried out the attack. 

19 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

 

Dont be over zealous and read carefully what I posted. Stick to leader of political party. Yingluck was not on that stage and she condemned the Red Shirt who carried out the attack. 

The leader of the political party was in Dubai. He finances his party's private militia (which poses as a "people's movement") which carried that and many other attacks.

But, of course, his puppet who abuses her position to offer him access to cabinet and a corrupt amnesty, should bear no responsibility.

35 minutes ago, seajae said:

you mean unlike the ptp who stood on stage next to the red terrorists and cheered and clapped when they told how they killed kids and women with bombs, called for Bangkok to be burnt down etc, yep, a real threat wasnt he

 

It was a sickening event to see the crowd cheering a bomb attack. But concerning the behavior of the people on stage, it was not exactly as you describe it (the people on stage cheered the murder). It was actually only one guy.

"Before Dab Daeng had the opportunity to expose more of his pervasive mindset, he was interrupted by the chairwoman of United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship Tida Thavornseth, who quickly said the red-shirt movement did not cherish violence. Her interruption upset Dab Daeng, who was eventually collared and taken off the the stage by former Pheu Thai MP Worachai Hema of Samut Prakan.'

6 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Ahbisit will need to restore public faith to himself. Twice boycotting elections, colluding with the military to form a government and appearing on anti-democracy demonstrator stages are not the type of behavior of a leader of the oldest party called inappropriately the Democratic Party. 

 

Ahhh the master of twist alive and well.

 

...appearing on anti-democracy demonstrator stages....".  No doubt your actually referring to jatuporn, nutawoot, etc., 

 

Elections will be free and fair. people can elect anyone they wish as long as they are approved by the Military.Democracy but not as We know it Jim!

 

1 hour ago, halloween said:

The leader of the political party was in Dubai. He finances his party's private militia (which poses as a "people's movement") which carried that and many other attacks.

But, of course, his puppet who abuses her position to offer him access to cabinet and a corrupt amnesty, should bear no responsibility.

 

Why are the junta apologists regurgitating the same old information which we all know. Remember Thaksin thinks and PT act. It was that premise that PT won the election that got the establishment pretty frustrated and upset. That was also the moment that the planning for the coup started; just after the election result was announced. Ahbisit failed to live up to the establishment expectation and has no moral ground to urge anyone. 

 

 

 

 

 

36 minutes ago, scorecard said:

 

Ahhh the master of twist alive and well.

 

...appearing on anti-democracy demonstrator stages....".  No doubt your actually referring to jatuporn, nutawoot, etc., 

 

 

Who the hell is Nutawoot. 

Just now, Eric Loh said:

 

Who the hell is Nutawoot. 

 

If you don't know, no further comment needed. 

5 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

 

 

Why are the junta apologists regurgitating the same old information which we all know. Remember Thaksin thinks and PT act. It was that premise that PT won the election that got the establishment pretty frustrated and upset. That was also the moment that the planning for the coup started; just after the election result was announced. Ahbisit failed to live up to the establishment expectation and has no moral ground to urge anyone. 

 

Just wondering who writes these twists for you el.

 

 

 

 

Edited January 2, 20179 yr by scorecard

23 minutes ago, scorecard said:

 

 

Looks like the truth has render you speechless. 

We all know what Abhisit is, or we should do. Let's face it,this is Thailand.

10 hours ago, smedly said:

and yes the military should be held accountable too but since they are the ones implementing these reforms then lets put that one to side for the moment, their turn will come

 

Making excuses for denying basic human rights, promoting dirty dishwater.

You cannot clean with a filthy sponge.

 

4 hours ago, Srikcir said:

One might look to Abhisit's permanent departure from politics as a break in the status quo.

 

Exactly.

He is mouthing off Project Thai propaganda, as if personal, familial and factional corruption were not the status quo. The junta have not only failed to address it, they have arguably made it worse. If he really had anything to say he would get locked up. The truth of the matter is he is parroting the junta.

the former prime minister said voters would once again have a chance to make their choice. But if they made the same choice, they could not expect a different result, Abhisit said..

 

like we dont already know...

46 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

 

Who the hell is Nutawoot. 

I believe he was refering to nattawut saikua.. 

11 hours ago, smedly said:

if the public ever had faith in Thai politicians it was very misguided - the expansion and spread of social media across Thailand will now make it very difficult for graft - they will all be called out

 

 

Which is why the defamation laws need to be amended - the public need to be able to ask questions when leaders are suspected of corruption or cheating, of all the people that need to be held to account - politicians are right at the top of the list - and yes the military should be held accountable too but since they are the ones implementing these reforms then lets put that one to side for the moment, their turn will come

Name an historical situation in which a country's military took power and reformed it for the better.

 

I swear to god, sometimes I feel like I am living in an alternate universe where people keep expecting things to happen that have never, ever happened before. Even when the obvious rather than the wished results occur time and again, minds fail to keep pace.

Edited January 2, 20179 yr by debate101

Shut up Mark, and put the silver spoon back

in your mouth

Shut up Mark, and put the silver spoon back
in your mouth

Subtle- - no
Accurate - yes!

4 hours ago, debate101 said:

Name an historical situation in which a country's military took power and reformed it for the better.

you need to go educate yourself, almost every working democracy in history was born from some sort of conflict - Thailand doesn't quite get there in terms of outright conflict/revolution etc  but has come very very close to out and out civil war on many occasions, thank god it was prevented or Thailand would be a very different place right now 

3 minutes ago, smedly said:

you need to go educate yourself, almost every working democracy in history was born from some sort of conflict - Thailand doesn't quite get there in terms of outright conflict/revolution etc  but has come very very close to out and out civil war on many occasions, thank god it was prevented or Thailand would be a very different place right now 

You confuse civil war and military taking over. The US democracy or the French democracy  came from civil war, not military coup.

On the other hand, Franco, Pinochet, Stroessner, the Greek Junta, etc.....

 

11 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

 

 

Why are the junta apologists regurgitating the same old information which we all know. Remember Thaksin thinks and PT act. It was that premise that PT won the election that got the establishment pretty frustrated and upset. That was also the moment that the planning for the coup started; just after the election result was announced. Ahbisit failed to live up to the establishment expectation and has no moral ground to urge anyone. 

 

 

 

 

 

We all know it because it is true, Thaksin owns PTP, bribing politicians to join, and funds their private militia. How does winning an election give politicians the right to act corruptly, abusing their position to pander to a convicted criminal?

5 hours ago, candide said:

US democracy

US democracy first came from a revolution against a foreign power - it was not a civil war.

5 hours ago, smedly said:

you need to go educate yourself, almost every working democracy in history was born from some sort of conflict - Thailand doesn't quite get there in terms of outright conflict/revolution etc  but has come very very close to out and out civil war on many occasions, thank god it was prevented or Thailand would be a very different place right now 

No he doesn't need to educate himself, you need to, if you don't mind, answer the question.

5 hours ago, smedly said:

you need to go educate yourself, almost every working democracy in history was born from some sort of conflict - Thailand doesn't quite get there in terms of outright conflict/revolution etc  but has come very very close to out and out civil war on many occasions, thank god it was prevented or Thailand would be a very different place right now 

 

Democracy is a set of rules that constrain ruling elites and are enforced and sustained by the general public through the tacit threat of uprising.

 

The junta and their allies hate democracy as they hate the idea that the lower classes have any rights whatsoever to set constraints on their behavior. Every time they pay lip service to "building a sustainable democracy," it's half cynical sarcasm and half to fool individuals who are overly-credulous of authority.

 

Their preferred system of governance is noblesse oblige. Hands-off by the unwashed masses who take whatever scraps are provided, are endlessly grateful, and who revere and worship those in power. We are seeing it now.

 

It's hard for me to understand how this hasn't become obvious to everyone who has been living in this country for any length of time, but I guess we all get different pictures of reality based on our knowledge and experience.

 

If you are in favor of unconstrained, elite rule, just come out and say it. There isn't any democracy and there isn't going going to be any democracy. Not from the good graces of these people. It's done. It's Burma or rebellion.

9 minutes ago, debate101 said:

 

Democracy is a set of rules that constrain ruling elites and are enforced and sustained by the general public through the tacit threat of uprising.

 

The junta and their allies hate democracy as they hate the idea that the lower classes have any rights whatsoever to set constraints on their behavior. Every time they pay lip service to "building a sustainable democracy," it's half cynical sarcasm and half to fool individuals who are overly-credulous of authority.

 

Their preferred system of governance is noblesse oblige. Hands-off by the unwashed masses who take whatever scraps are provided, are endlessly grateful, and who revere and worship those in power. We are seeing it now.

 

It's hard for me to understand how this hasn't become obvious to everyone who has been living in this country for any length of time, but I guess we all get different pictures of reality based on our knowledge and experience.

 

If you are in favor of unconstrained, elite rule, just come out and say it. There isn't any democracy and there isn't going going to be any democracy. Not from the good graces of these people. It's done. It's Burma or rebellion.

 

f you are in favor of unconstrained, elite rule, like we had with PTP, come out and say it. There wasn't any democracy and there wasn't going to be any democracy, just wealthy criminals raping the nation, ignoring its laws to benefit themselves.

3 minutes ago, halloween said:

 

f you are in favor of unconstrained, elite rule, like we had with PTP, come out and say it. There wasn't any democracy and there wasn't going to be any democracy, just wealthy criminals raping the nation, ignoring its laws to benefit themselves.

 

Elections, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, human rights not subordinate to vaguely-defined "good morals," a people's constitution written by elected representatives of the public, limited channels for governmemt propaganda, military in the barracks, positive international relations with other democratic countries... Open your eyes, man! These were all concession won by the Black May 1992 uprising. They would never have been given freely.