webfact Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Brexit – which way now as UK’s EU ambassador resigns Catherine Hardy BRUSSELS: -- The UK’s top diplomat to the EU has resigned. The abrupt departure of Sir Ivan Rogers comes just a few months before Prime Minister Theresa May is expected to start formal Brexit negotiations. Rogers, appointed by former Prime Minister David Cameron as the UK’s permanent representative to the EU, the equivalent of ambassador, in November 2013. He is one of the UK’s most experienced diplomats on EU affairs. He told staff on Tuesday afternoon that he would be stepping down early from his post. Theresa May has said she will trigger formal Brexit talks with the rest of the EU by the end of March. There has been no comment so far from Downing Street and the UK Foreign Office. Speculation Sir Ivan, who was due to step down in November 2017, has not yet given his reasons for his sudden decision. However, there was an outcry last month when a leaked memo revealed he had privately told ministers that any post-Brexit UK-EU trade deal might take up to ten years to finalise. How long will it really take to negotiate a post-Brexit trade deal? Find out here -- © Copyright Euronews 2017-01-04 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Dipped his bread in the gravy for several years doing nowt much. When work comes around buggers off quick. Yep, he'll fit in fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gennisis Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Seems to me the the best course is to give NIGEL the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HauptmannUK Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 "However, there was an outcry last month when a leaked memo revealed he had privately told ministers that any post-Brexit UK-EU trade deal might take up to ten years to finalise." Indeed. Not the kind of thing Mrs May and her "Dad's Army" wanted to hear. And I guess in post-Brexit Britain we should fire any weathermen who forecast rain - thus ensuring the country is bathed in unbroken year-round sunshine... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpinx Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 6 minutes ago, HauptmannUK said: "However, there was an outcry last month when a leaked memo revealed he had privately told ministers that any post-Brexit UK-EU trade deal might take up to ten years to finalise." Indeed. Not the kind of thing Mrs May and her "Dad's Army" wanted to hear. And I guess in post-Brexit Britain we should fire any weathermen who forecast rain - thus ensuring the country is bathed in unbroken year-round sunshine... The weathermen will have considerably more of a clue about their topic than this ineffective waste of space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onionluke Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, jpinx said: The weathermen will have considerably more of a clue about their topic than this ineffective waste of space. Why single out Theresa in your criticism , the whole brexit committee are an ineffective waste of space are they not ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpinx Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 The joys of misunderstandings on forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HauptmannUK Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Just listened to a radio interview with this guy from yesterday. He's clearly pretty sharp and doesn't want any association with the unfolding train-wreck that is Brexit. This job is clearly now a poison chalice which few will want to drink from........ although would be nice to see someone like Boris take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Rogers, appointed by former Prime Minister David Cameron as the UK’s permanent representative to the EU That one line explains all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 (edited) As stated on another thread, the number of wise men who genuinely support Brexit is becoming diminishingly small. I wonder why that is the case? Look, there's no doubt that leave won the referendum and therefore we will leave. That does not make it the correct decision and the lack of wise men supporting Brexit seems to support that. I am sure it has nothing to do with intelligence, or education, or relevant experience ? What we we need is a team of negotiators with no university education particularly Oxbridge. We don't want experts and certainly not civil servants. We want a team of real Englishmen with St George's cross vests. The types who have no historical knowledge but know what's RIGHT by reading The Mail or The Express..... "And we will build Jerusalem in England's Green and Pleasant Land" No Elgar please; too much pomp... Edited January 4, 2017 by Grouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retiredandhappyhere Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Theresa May said right at the beginning that she had no intention of "drip-feeding" the public or the EU with her negotiating position. This Ambassador, an ardent EU remainer is peeved that he has not been kept informed of the Government's plans since the Government knows that any information supplied to him would immediately be divulged to the EU negotiators. Why has he not criticised the EU for not divulging their detailed negotiating position? So far all we know is "No free movement of people, no free trade", which is an opening negotiating stance only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Lord Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 47 minutes ago, Grouse said: As stated on another thread, the number of wise men who genuinely support Brexit is becoming diminishingly small. I wonder why that is the case? Look, there's no doubt that leave won the referendum and therefore we will leave. That does not make it the correct decision and the lack of wise men supporting Brexit seems to support that. I am sure it has nothing to do with intelligence, or education, or relevant experience ? What we we need is a team of negotiators with no university education particularly Oxbridge. We don't want experts and certainly not civil servants. We want a team of real Englishmen with St George's cross vests. The types who have no historical knowledge but know what's RIGHT by reading The Mail or The Express..... "And we will build Jerusalem in England's Green and Pleasant Land" No Elgar please; too much pomp... So you are finally beginning to see the light! Excellent!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpinx Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 19 minutes ago, Retiredandhappyhere said: Theresa May said right at the beginning that she had no intention of "drip-feeding" the public or the EU with her negotiating position. This Ambassador, an ardent EU remainer is peeved that he has not been kept informed of the Government's plans since the Government knows that any information supplied to him would immediately be divulged to the EU negotiators. Why has he not criticised the EU for not divulging their detailed negotiating position? So far all we know is "No free movement of people, no free trade", which is an opening negotiating stance only. Very true, and from TM a clear case of "I'm only going to say this once..." which a lot of people missed. This guy is basically a traitor, working for the EU and wanting to tell them what the UK government is doing. Did he jump or was he pushed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Gravy Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 A last desperate plea from the elite sprouting how difficult and how long it will take, so lets stay in. What a load of crap. Still those who can't accept the referendums result. Give the job to Farage then you would see how easy it is. It is sad to see the remainers desperate attempt to make us all change our mind. Also with the constant rubbish pushed by the Bias BBC, hoping that people will say, lets have another vote like the Irish (so we can cheat and get the result we want). The media can't even find any credible evidence that the end of the world happened or will happen as predicted by the remain campaigners before the referendum. The whole remain strategy is becoming a sorry farce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orac Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Very true, and from TM a clear case of "I'm only going to say this once..." which a lot of people missed. This guy is basically a traitor, working for the EU and wanting to tell them what the UK government is doing. Did he jump or was he pushed? [emoji6]Do you have any proof that he was working for the EU before denouncing him as a traitor. As for him wanting to tell them what the UK govt are doing, that is exactly what his job is supposed to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpinx Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 15 minutes ago, Orac said: Do you have any proof that he was working for the EU before denouncing him as a traitor. As for him wanting to tell them what the UK govt are doing, that is exactly what his job is supposed to be. That is a very warped idea of what an "Ambassador" is meant to do....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Laughing Gravy said: A last desperate plea from the elite sprouting how difficult and how long it will take, so lets stay in. What a load of crap. Still those who can't accept the referendums result. Give the job to Farage then you would see how easy it is. It is sad to see the remainers desperate attempt to make us all change our mind. Also with the constant rubbish pushed by the Bias BBC, hoping that people will say, lets have another vote like the Irish (so we can cheat and get the result we want). The media can't even find any credible evidence that the end of the world happened or will happen as predicted by the remain campaigners before the referendum. The whole remain strategy is becoming a sorry farce. The "biased" BBC just had Farage spouting forth. You can see how desperate they are to find ANY cogent Brexiteers.... As for remain being a farce does it not worry you in the slightest that the leave crew seem increasingly to be just the numpties? Where are your wise men? Would you recognise one? Brexit is making a laughing stock of the British...... Edited January 4, 2017 by Grouse My personal spell checker has gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpinx Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 38 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said: A last desperate plea from the elite sprouting how difficult and how long it will take, so lets stay in. What a load of crap. Still those who can't accept the referendums result. Give the job to Farage then you would see how easy it is. It is sad to see the remainers desperate attempt to make us all change our mind. Also with the constant rubbish pushed by the Bias BBC, hoping that people will say, lets have another vote like the Irish (so we can cheat and get the result we want). The media can't even find any credible evidence that the end of the world happened or will happen as predicted by the remain campaigners before the referendum. The whole remain strategy is becoming a sorry farce. Actually not a sorry farce but a serious threat to the future of the UK. If it was just a farce we'd laugh them out of the room. As it is now, we have people of considerable influence and power trying to subvert the enactment of the will of the people. This is a very old recipe and always ends in tears, beheadings, wars, and economic crashes. Getting out of the EU would be a simple enough task - if somewhat long-winded -- if only the *whole* force of the civil service could be brought to bear on it without the politicking -- which is meant to be disallowed, is it not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orac Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Do you have any proof that he was working for the EU before denouncing him as a traitor. As for him wanting to tell them what the UK govt are doing, that is exactly what his job is supposed to be. That is a very warped idea of what an "Ambassador" is meant to do.......Maybe you know better but this is what The Independent have to say on it"The team he leads is in charge of explaining British policies to the various pillars of the EU – the European Commission, the European Parliament and other EU member states."http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ivan-rogers-resigns-uk-ambassador-to-eu-analysis-a7507731.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintLouisBlues Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 1 hour ago, jpinx said: Very true, and from TM a clear case of "I'm only going to say this once..." which a lot of people missed. This guy is basically a traitor, working for the EU and wanting to tell them what the UK government is doing. Did he jump or was he pushed? I think "working for the EU" is a rather inflated view of his position, which was to represent EU views to the British government in the context of British government policy, and advise his government on EU policies and possible EU reactions - exactly what an ambassador is supposed to do. He also represents the UK's position to the EU. It seems that he has possibly, as the Brits say, "gone native", and identifies with the interests of his hosts rather than his home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpinx Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 (edited) Telling the EU what the brexit team are considering is *not* explaining existing policies! Edited January 4, 2017 by jpinx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Such silliness Its not a zero sum game if you know what that means Dialogue is key Still no idea and they want to press the abort button the month after next Bring on your wise men! (If you have any) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Who led the pedants revolt? Which Tyler! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockingrobin Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 1 hour ago, Laughing Gravy said: A last desperate plea from the elite sprouting how difficult and how long it will take, so lets stay in. What a load of crap. Still those who can't accept the referendums result. Give the job to Farage then you would see how easy it is. It is sad to see the remainers desperate attempt to make us all change our mind. Also with the constant rubbish pushed by the Bias BBC, hoping that people will say, lets have another vote like the Irish (so we can cheat and get the result we want). The media can't even find any credible evidence that the end of the world happened or will happen as predicted by the remain campaigners before the referendum. The whole remain strategy is becoming a sorry farce. There was an amendment proposed to prevent a second referendum, this was not adopted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieK Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 It's not over till it's over! So it could take ten years to negotiate withdrawal from the EU! ye right. The problem with that suggestion is, it shows just how useless the EU really is. It points to a hard brexit, because it would not be in the EU's or UK's interest for it to take that long. In short more fear before the event. May's mistake was not enacting article 50 six months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Balliol, Oxford and Ecole Normale Superiure, Paris; the man was fluent in French! Totally unsuitable! Probabably a fifth columnist! Too many elite people do not believe Brexit is the right thing and are therefore unreliable. Where's Boris? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandrabbit Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 what was the point to his job when there were elected members representing the UK, jobs for the boys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Great to see the in depth knowledge of the EU demonstrated on TV. I knew we were right to trust the people ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunroaming Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Good to see that now we are in 2017 wind is still in the sales of the TV posters. Happy New Year everyone! Ivan Rogers has done what he felt he had to do. He was at loggerheads with May and the Brexiteers over their muddled thinking and unrealistic approach. As he would have been the main negotiator he was in an impossible position and would have inevitably been made the fall guy when it all went pear shaped. I think just about everyone wants to get on with Brexit and let's hope May can trigger it when she has indicated. It is now not about whether to go ahead with it, it is about the terms and conditions that are negotiated. To go back now and "change our minds" would make us even more of a laughing stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockingrobin Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 1 hour ago, CharlieK said: It's not over till it's over! So it could take ten years to negotiate withdrawal from the EU! ye right. The problem with that suggestion is, it shows just how useless the EU really is. It points to a hard brexit, because it would not be in the EU's or UK's interest for it to take that long. In short more fear before the event. May's mistake was not enacting article 50 six months ago. The up to 10 years was to reach a trade deal, and is the consensus of the other 27 EU members. The ambassador was relaying other EU members views. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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