This story reminded me of a small event in Stephen Leather's Private Dancer about 2/3 of the way through. Pete had learned enough Thai and over heard a conversation with Joy and her sister where they referred to him as an "animal." Not him specifically , although speaking of him, but rather characterizing their entire view of the foreigner. As an animal not being worthy of recognition by superior Thais.

1 minute ago, noitom said:

This story reminded me of a small event in Stephen Leather's Private Dancer about 2/3 of the way through. Pete had learned enough Thai and over heard a conversation with Joy and her sister where they referred to him as an "animal." Not him specifically , although speaking of him, but rather characterizing their entire view of the foreigner. As an animal not being worthy of recognition by superior Thais.

 

You tink too mush

 

I often fiend myself wondering how would Thailand look and be if there were

no foreigners living, working and contributing to the country's development

in commerce construction and education.....

King Rama V gave his country the best gift by going and visiting many countries

around the world, brought to Thailand and implemented many western ways

of living that has benefited the country for generations since than,

and for those clueless students, let hope that there aren't too many of them who

think like that.....

5 hours ago, Squeegee said:

 

Seems so

Seems so:

So it was the singha. You appeared stewed.

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No, they didn't, they regurgitated the simple-minded trash thinking they are supposed to, that's why The Old Toads gave 'em a prize.

 

They did what kids do, take the obvious and re package it. Any classroom will prove this true. It was not supposed to a definitive essay. All the typical stereotypes are there and if you read on, they did it for experience and did not expect anything more. So easy to trash stuff on Thai visa and exclude the context. 

 

Quote

 

Asked how he thinks expats see Thailand, the junior said: “Just like in the video. Travel, culture, massage, world-famous Muay Thai, food, elephants, I think these are why foreigners came to Thailand.”

“I didn’t expect we’d win. I think our video is pretty cool, but I thought we’d only get experience, not an award,” the filmmaker said.

 

http://bangkok.coconuts.co/2017/01/13/how-thai-students-think-expats-see-thailand-video

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Are you really so painfully ignorant, or are you here to peddle double-speak? The latter is very dangerous and is a tool of propaganda by fascists, dictators... military juntas....

 

This is an extreme jump. Classic non sequitur.

Must be the beer or just the license you think you deserve using denigrating language on TV

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This is just an ignorant little fantasy of yours.

There are very few Thais who have a right to complain about foreigners in their country.

 

"few thais have the right to complain"

You kinda nailed your colors to mast. Arrogance and bigotry all at once. 

 

Pointless going on beside the fact that TV discussion boards are really just a wailing site anyhow. The perfect medium to complain about almost anything.

 

The rest of your post is just mean spirited off topic vitriol as you sink further into either the can or just your own well.

 

If they were not presented with an award by some fancy committee you wouldn't be so offended. But you are. That's telling. If you choose to look there is an upside to most things, or you can just be you. 

Is it the students or Thaivisa that don't know the difference between an expat or a tourist or both ?

^ and where did 'westerner' come from?

34 minutes ago, terminatorchiangmai said:

Is it the students or Thaivisa that don't know the difference between an expat or a tourist or both ?

 

An expat is an ATM open 24/7 365 days?

Which just goes to show the distorted perspective that Thais have of farang.

I need more piss and more special massage 

????

You may reconsider your opinion about this "creative" fact based piece of art by some exemplary students, high on national pride, if it turns out the video was part of their application to fetch a job with the TAT.

I went to a children's day do just now, full of patriotic songs and pictures of you know who being carried around, more like a political congress, i had to leave before i threw up, would that help the students?

Edited January 14, 20179 yr by soalbundy

As an expat of you were to ask me what I love about Thailand (not) here are my Top 10:

 

1. Taking your life into your hands every time you drive on the roads either by bike or car or pickup.

2. Dual pricing even if you produce your Thai driving licence and you are with a Thai family.

3. Regular laughable insights, profound policies and knee-jerk reactions to situations from a deluded and completely out of touch NCPO.

4. The justice system which includes the inept RTP and the practice of letting the hi-so's off lightly when they commit an offence that others who are not so well off would be jailed for.

5. Having to go through the Visa process (90-day Reporting/Marriage/Retirement etc) which seems to change at the drop of a hat in terms of what documentation is needed.

6. The widespread corruption that is evident in all echelons of Thai society.

7. A total inability and unpreparedness to deal with natural disasters such as flooding.

8. Thainess whatever that may be.

9. The convoluted process you have to go through to try and get a work permit in Thailand.

10. The number of undesirable expats that are still able to live in this country without fear and continue with their scams and outright criminal activities. 

 

Apart from that I really do love the place.

come on guys, you know how childish thais are especially uni students, they have no idea how the rest of the world operates or what  people actually think and like. These poorly educated students think that everyone thinks like them, they are unable to grasp the fact that people with a better education/more life experience than they have do things differently and have higher expectations. All this does is show just how pathetic these students really are and how much a better education process is required here to advance their way of thinking plus remove the boards that select all these hopeless winners

Complete load of B@llocks. Says a lot anout the education system and.calibre of students. Families with money educate their kids in the UK, USA and Australia. Thai people here are being brainwashed into thinking this is a great world country where the Thai language will take over the world. The fact is Thailand is third world. I live here accept the good and have some really good Thai friends. Just forget the downsides and get on with living. 

17 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

This is how Thai students think expats see Thailand

For equal time and balance there should be a "This is how expats/foreign visitors see Thailand" filmed and produced by foreigners.

But don't expect Prayut to pay for it nor allow it to be published or even issue work permits (not needed by Thais) to produce it.

 

I wonder what the other reports were like. I would think that the reports are not graded on how factual the content is but on how it reflects on Thailand. Notice that gogo bars and Thai hotties were not listed and we know they are major attractions.
Perhaps the winners know the true facts but were going after the prize so wrote what would look best to the judges. Maybe ??


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Just now, ttthailand said:

Perhaps the winners know the true facts but were going after the prize so wrote what would look best to the judges. Maybe ??

Isn't that the Thai way - give people the answer you think they want to hear?

No need to see the video, unless it was made by sex trade workers on Soi Cowboy or up country. They are the only ones that have a clue about expats and tourists. Should hire them to run TAT. Then the arrival numbers would be believable.

21 hours ago, BSJ said:

I haven't been kissed by a monkey yet.......so my life is not complete!  

 

Well... get off your ass and head down to the closest girly bar immediately!

The students should have submitted videos from my car dash cam instead..

who is wearing the rose tinted glasses?

Totally clueless drivel -- the video, that is.

 

Tells u everything u need to know about the clueless state of the education system and schools here.

 

If the video told the obvious truths, it certainly wouldn't have won any prize from the governnent.

 

18 hours ago, bluebluewater said:

 

Sometime they show me the monkey - sometimes I kiss it

think more people will be "spanking" the monkey rather than kissing it

On 1/13/2017 at 6:22 PM, trogers said:

Expats or tourists...

 

It's all the same to them.

On 13/01/2017 at 6:35 PM, PatOngo said:

I like hearing the life stories of taxi drivers. 

 

Simultaneously with full volume Isaan 'country and western' style 'music'

23 hours ago, Eligius said:

Right! Fascism and Dictatorship are cool, cool, cool. Let's have more of it (say these wonderful, critically-thinking, prize-winning students). And Thailand can be the proud hub of all that wonderful political enlightenment and progress.

I saw no political statement from the students at all.  Remember, they are students - cocooned from the real world (like a lot of TV Forum posters I suspect).  These students would not like to be used as tools for any govt 'authority', just like you.  They earned their prize based on production standards, imagery and story-telling principles, with no voice-over to complicate a simple straight-forward message.  These same people, if they get the chance in the real world, will be providing provocative film media when the opportunity arises.  Why would you want to quash their aspirations because your own personal view of the world doesn't coincide?  Grow up. These kids have earned their congratulations and encouragement.

13 hours ago, optad said:

Seems so:

So it was the singha. You appeared stewed.

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No, they didn't, they regurgitated the simple-minded trash thinking they are supposed to, that's why The Old Toads gave 'em a prize.

 

They did what kids do, take the obvious and re package it. Any classroom will prove this true. It was not supposed to a definitive essay. All the typical stereotypes are there and if you read on, they did it for experience and did not expect anything more. So easy to trash stuff on Thai visa and exclude the context. 

 

http://bangkok.coconuts.co/2017/01/13/how-thai-students-think-expats-see-thailand-video

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Are you really so painfully ignorant, or are you here to peddle double-speak? The latter is very dangerous and is a tool of propaganda by fascists, dictators... military juntas....

 

This is an extreme jump. Classic non sequitur.

Must be the beer or just the license you think you deserve using denigrating language on TV

----

This is just an ignorant little fantasy of yours.

There are very few Thais who have a right to complain about foreigners in their country.

 

"few thais have the right to complain"

You kinda nailed your colors to mast. Arrogance and bigotry all at once. 

 

Pointless going on beside the fact that TV discussion boards are really just a wailing site anyhow. The perfect medium to complain about almost anything.

 

The rest of your post is just mean spirited off topic vitriol as you sink further into either the can or just your own well.

 

If they were not presented with an award by some fancy committee you wouldn't be so offended. But you are. That's telling. If you choose to look there is an upside to most things, or you can just be you. 

 

"Seems so" was a reference to your posts or perhaps what we might end up becoming by replying to them.

 

 

 

 

 

"They did what kids do, take the obvious and re package it. Any classroom will prove this true."

 

Equally, I could say

 

Arguably, kids

 

Actually, that's complete rubbish as well. It's what adults do to kids: put them in a classroom to learn how to "take the obvious, repackage it."

 

The above shows how out of touch you are. Children are the essence of human beings, creative thinkers and problem solvers, they are originators with almost boundless imaginations. They only need to be told some of the time, because they learn from their own experience as soon as they start to play, walk then talk.

It's not entirely a bad thing, that thing we call school, but in Thailand, and especially in the current Thailand, land of military generals, propaganda and authoritarian control... here's you blaming the children and damning foreigners, making excuses for mediocrity and the decline in human possibility that was those kids before they entered that system.

And since I mention 'system,' this is incidentally not a double-whammy of Thai education system plus authoritarian government, since they are one and the same.

 

 

 

"It was not supposed to a definitive essay."

 

A bunch of students make a video, pretty much saying what some organisation (government, commercial) would like to promote, so to do so the students receive some kind of prize with their face in the paper.

 

In the UK it would be a nothing story, the stuff of local papers alongside the local 'cat-helped-down-from-a-tree' report. I wouldn't disagree with your initial comment in the thread:

 

"The students could not have been set the correct parameters to comprehensively meet adequately or fail fairly the broader headline in the OP.

They just executed a collage or some stereotyped nonsense according to their anecdotal understandings."

 

 

But this is not the UK (or where ever), so that is where you are no longer being reasonable. It's another example of the damned opportunity for the youth of the land, as we see them failing again in basic understanding of the world and their place in it, thanks to the aforementioned system.

 

 

 

 

 

"All the typical stereotypes are there and if you read on, they did it for experience and did not expect anything more. So easy to trash stuff on Thai visa and exclude the context."

 

"Context" huh. Just like when you twisted the truth here:

 

"At least the kids expressed a pov. Their perspective could not be as dull as nor conformed as most here on TV"

 

...and so your habit continues. No, it is your inability to get with reality. I just gave you 'context' to both a story like this, to the minds of children, to the learning process, to human creativity, to the classroom and what may go on in it, to the political system... so please, do not damn us in the plural for doing what you so habitually do yourself as you pretend this is a nothing story when students are taken away at night, people are detained and there is death in detention.

 

 

 

The above quote also shows how you are focused on the students "They did it for..." Their video is lowest common denominator tosh, or "stereotyped nonsense according to their anecdotal  understandings " as you described it yourself because they just "take the obvious and re package it..."

 

Blame for this is on their system of control, not on the kids (or us foreigners).

 

 

 

 

 

 

"This is an extreme jump. Classic non sequitur."

 

Accusing you of double-speak is - ahem - child's play: "So easy to trash stuff on Thai visa and exclude the context."

Oh look, it's you double-speaking again! Filthy habit!

 

 

 

 

 

 

"few thais have the right to complain"

You kinda nailed your colors to mast. Arrogance and bigotry all at once."

 

Throw some poo and hope it sticks. You pretty much proved you can speak words. Well done you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Pointless going on beside the fact that TV discussion boards are really just a wailing site anyhow. The perfect medium to complain about almost anything."

 

That's not all it's about but that's a useful part of it, so what of it?

Why are you doing it then complaining about it, as well?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"The rest of your post is just mean spirited off topic vitriol as you sink further into either the can or just your own well."

 

But I've yet to get a suitably evil-looking throne to sit on whilst doing it. Any ideas?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"If they were not presented with an award by some fancy committee you wouldn't be so offended. But you are. That's telling. If you choose to look there is an upside to most things, or you can just be you."

 

I think the best kind of evil throne would be the one that can make your fantasies all the more real.

 

 

 

 

Edited January 14, 20179 yr by Squeegee

^^ the aptly name sqeegee

 

Your idiotosphere is a special place.

 

Each post contains more hysterical and alarmist rhetoric over a nothing video and has sent you on a rant. This is beguiling for its intensity alone. Contribute zero other than to screech non sequiturs post after post after post and disjointed ramblings. 

 

If you were paid

 

in

 

column

 

 

inches

 

 

...I would understand you attempts to garner so much attention because content wise, I am still scratching my head re the logic you have put into this.In fact i don't really even know what you're on about. Nor do I know why you are so affected by a poor, stereotyped collage of what many thais kids might say about foreigners but you are. It was not incisive but offensive either. Just predictable middle of the road stuff.

 

Why are you so offended at a "B" grade video? Water off a ducks back in most people's lives. You need to upbraid yours.

C'mon guys why can't you give the Thai students a bit of a break?So they produced a happy video-so what?Better that than a bitter trenchant one exposing ...what exactly?The fact that Thailand is not a first world nation like my home country?Why on Earth,would I have come here if it was-I would just have moved to Queensland.

 

Yes..yes..I know-Queensland is a dire destination not to be contemplated lightly but,you know,millions of suburban Australians end up there-and a right boring lot they are too.You see one box jellyfish you have seen 'em all.