Beijing will 'take off the gloves' if Trump continues on Taiwan- China Daily

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Beijing will 'take off the gloves' if Trump continues on Taiwan- China Daily

REUTERS

 

The Taipei 101 building is seen amidst the Taipei city skyline February 9, 2009. REUTERS/Nicky Loh/File Photo

 

SHANGHAI (Reuters) - China has shown restraint in the face of provocations by U.S. President-elect Donald Trump over Taiwan, but if he continues after assuming office Beijing will "take off the gloves", an official Chinese state-run newspaper said on Monday.

 

Trump broke with decades of precedent last month by taking a congratulatory telephone call from Taiwan President Tsai Ing-wen and has since cast doubt on America's commitment to a "One China" policy that recognises the island as a part of China.

 

In an interview with the Wall Street Journal published late on Friday, Trump said the "One China" policy was up for negotiation. China's foreign ministry said "One China" was the foundation of China-U.S. ties and was non-negotiable.

 

"If Trump is determined to use this gambit in taking office, a period of fierce, damaging interactions will be unavoidable, as Beijing will have no choice but to take off the gloves," the English-language China Daily said.

 

The United States, which switched diplomatic recognition from Taipei to Beijing in 1979, has acknowledged the Chinese position that there is only "one China" and that Taiwan is part of it.

 

The China Daily said Beijing's relatively measured response to Trump's comments in the Wall Street Journal "can only come from a genuine, sincere wish that the less-than-desirable, yet by-and-large manageable, big picture of China-U.S. relations will not be derailed before Trump even enters office".

 

But China should not count on the assumption that Trump's Taiwan moves are "a pre-inauguration bluff, and instead be prepared for him to continue backing his bet".

 

"It may be costly. But it will prove a worthy price to pay to make the next U.S. president aware of the special sensitivity, and serious consequences of his Taiwan game," said the national daily.

 

Trump will be sworn in on Jan. 20.

 

(Reporting by John Ruwitch; Editing by Michael Perry)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2017-01-16

[smedly]

First of all China is already bullying countries in SEA and setting up strategic military positions in the South China Sea warning off everyone and everything that interferes with their operations, so the gloves are already well and truly off and have been for some time.

 

China needs its arrogant wings clipped

[khwaibah]

Up yours China.

[Banana7]

The Chinese authorities need to understand that they only get to dictate to people in China, not to the free world. They can learn the hard way or the easy way. No way are they going to dictate to USA or the President of the United States of America what he can or cannot do.

 

[lovelomsak]

This is what Trump wants. The wars of old are history,between big nations now the war is trade and commerce. Trump wants to get down and dirty as he should. America has been slow in realizing they need to make Asia work harder to get our trade and have us consume what they produce. America must play hard nose same as Asia. In trade do only what is good for America if America does not come first and foremost do not trade simple as that.That is how Asia deals with America so play the same game. level the field and stop letting China move the goalposts.America can do anything China does.America can produce any thing China can. Most things China produces came from america. Maybe America should producing it them selves again. And tax the hell out of things like car imports.

[edwinchester]

3 hours ago, khwaibah said:

Up yours China.

Yeah....that told them.

[tonbridgebrit]

Go on, Washngton, do it.

Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton were full of BS when it came to the China policy. Yes, Washngton, do stuff that is concreate. Close down the American Embassy in Beijing, and re-open it in Taipei.

There's only one China, everybody on planet earth must choose, Republic of China or Peoples Republic of China. Whatever happens, there must never be two Chinas. And accepting that Taiwan (the Republic of China) is China, well, that will make slapping 45% taxes on the Chinese (Peoples Republic of China) goods entering America more easy.

 

[muffy]

China is a paper tiger .

[tonbridgebrit]

5 hours ago, smedly said:

First of all China is already bullying countries in SEA and setting up strategic military positions in the South China Sea warning off everyone and everything that interferes with their operations, so the gloves are already well and truly off and have been for some time.

 

China needs its arrogant wings clipped

"First of all China is already bullying countries in SEA".

Is Thailand really being bullied by China ?  You'd have thought, looking at how the Thai government is behaving towards China, Thailand actually wants to be a province of China. Or, a vassal state.

And the Philipinnes. Duterte was democratically elected, he seems to want the Philipinnes to become an action replay of Thailand.  Have the Philipinnes flooded by Chinese tourists.

 

[Baerboxer]

1 hour ago, tonbridgebrit said:

"First of all China is already bullying countries in SEA".

Is Thailand really being bullied by China ?  You'd have thought, looking at how the Thai government is behaving towards China, Thailand actually wants to be a province of China. Or, a vassal state.

And the Philipinnes. Duterte was democratically elected, he seems to want the Philipinnes to become an action replay of Thailand.  Have the Philipinnes flooded by Chinese tourists.

 

 

Thailand isn't affected so far by China's illegal, as ruled by the ICJ, claims to huge areas of the South China Sea. Far beyond her maritime borders recognized under international law. 

 

Duterte might be mad but he's smart enough to play Japan and China off. Mind, he best hope he really is smart or he's gonna get burned if they both turn on him and no US to wipe his arse.

 

Thailand wants to play China and the US off. And to be fair, successive governments don't do a bad job of that.

[Kiwiken]

7 hours ago, Banana7 said:

The Chinese authorities need to understand that they only get to dictate to people in China, not to the free world. They can learn the hard way or the easy way. No way are they going to dictate to USA or the President of the United States of America what he can or cannot do.

 

Yes after all it is only the Chinese who Dictate to the "Free World" Is that Mars?

[skorp13]

Finally the U.S. has a president that can't be bullied! Sorry China we are not afraid of you and will not continue to be dictated to by your demands.

[wwest5829]

Two bulls in the china shop, what could go wrong? China acting like an adolescent boy, thinking the new found economic strength and history gives the right to unilaterally claim 80-90% of the South China Sea resources as its own versus the inexperience and blustering swagger of The Donald! Damn, batten the hatches! 

 

As an American I fear for, not just what will be left of my country after this rude experiment with letting emotion rule over reason. I favor the current policy and encourage continuation by all nations traveling through the South China Sea. Sail and fly in established international space and ignore China's unilateral claims of sovereignty.

[JulesMad]

8 hours ago, Banana7 said:

The Chinese authorities need to understand that they only get to dictate to people in China, not to the free world. They can learn the hard way or the easy way. No way are they going to dictate to USA or the President of the United States of America what he can or cannot do.

 

Yes, how dare they? Taking over the role of dictator of the world from the usa and/or trumpy...

[car720]

10 hours ago, Banana7 said:

The Chinese authorities need to understand that they only get to dictate to people in China, not to the free world. They can learn the hard way or the easy way. No way are they going to dictate to USA or the President of the United States of America what he can or cannot do.

 

 

but it is ok for them to dictate to everyone else?

[optad]

Russian love to talk, negotiate and fold. Chinese will let a lot fly but want their land and empire...... back. Got more cards in the deck than most think, they don't negotiate on territory  and those treating this the same as previous scraps will be proven wrong. It ends badly. 

 

In any event, who thinks Trump  can stand up to the chinese and force their hand? Stabilise the South china sea of territorial issues ? Secure Taiwan. Post on that pls. 

[car720]

This may explain why Trump is busy kissing Putin's jacksy.  If he intends to start in with China he won't want them being reinforced overland from Russia.  Also if he keeps going with the troop build up in Poland then he is creating an axis that he will not be happy with.  Putin has made himself popular in Syria and most probably Iran.  The two teams are getting bigger by the day.  Unfortunately the Aussies will follow along on the leash that has been around their neck for years.  Hopefully the poms will have their hands full with the Brexit thing.

One thing, don't count on the Germans.  Most of their rich economy is based in China.  Every second car here is a BMW 7 serious or an Audi and every other car is a Volkswagen. Most of their manufacturing machinery is from Germany.

The main difference is though that the Asian people (think of the Thais for starters) would find it easy enough to go back to their old ways in the event of an economic crash.  I wonder if the people of the west could do the same.

Do not underestimate the significance of history to the Chinese people.

Edited January 16, 2017 by car720

[elgordo38]

12 hours ago, khwaibah said:

Up yours China.

With a rubber hose. 

[elgordo38]

11 hours ago, lovelomsak said:

Maybe America should producing it them selves again.

I am with you but no companies would participate. American wages are to high in comparison to Asia and the EPA regs. are to high. China has set their new pollution level at twice what the WHO has deemed as a ceiling and this along with low wages goes a long way in getting the foreign prostitute companies to gladly set up shop there. A lot of companies would like to relocate to the US but first workers must be brought to heel and taught that the golden age of the worker is gone and now its the age of servitude. They must also convince Trump to do away with the EPA. Only when the poor have no access to food will they truly rebel. 

Edited January 16, 2017 by elgordo38

[gchurch259]

SOUNDS GOOD TO ME,  China has been a Big Bully for too long, it is time to open a can of "Ass Whip" !!

 

Really want to hurt them, quit buying their stuff for about 6 months and go back to the table and talk !!

 

Taiwan should be independent, they pulled themselves up from almost nothing after WWII and Japanese occupation. The Culture and people at totally different from most Mainland people I have done business with.

 

Mao was glad to get rid of Chiang-Kai-Shek and the KMT in 1950, oh but wait, they are worth a lot now, so they are ours !!

[bangon04]

4 hours ago, optad said:

Russian love to talk, negotiate and fold. Chinese will let a lot fly but want their land and empire...... back. Got more cards in the deck than most think, they don't negotiate on territory  and those treating this the same as previous scraps will be proven wrong. It ends badly. 

 

In any event, who thinks Trump  can stand up to the chinese and force their hand? Stabilise the South china sea of territorial issues ? Secure Taiwan. Post on that pls. 

Maybe take lessons from the Vietnamese - the only nation in the region which is not afraid of China....

[smedly]

1 hour ago, gchurch259 said:

SOUNDS GOOD TO ME,  China has been a Big Bully for too long, it is time to open a can of "Ass Whip" !!

 

Really want to hurt them, quit buying their stuff for about 6 months and go back to the table and talk !!

the problem is - how do you identify their stuff, I only know of a hand full of actual Chinese brands the rest of the stuff they make comprises of well known western brands and parts that we all buy but are manufactured there, they are also getting into the huge military market.

 

As mentioned above - as they enrich themselves they are buying up western goods like German brand cars iphones etc - we gave them the designs and tools - they are buying up products in a huge market - they also manipulate their currency to their advantage and don't play fair and yet because the west has such a huge vested interest they are unwilling to challenge 

 

Also the west has taught them how to make stuff and shared their designs and technology in doing so, something I always thought was careless, they are now designing and producing their own products all copied from the west  

[smedly]

4 minutes ago, bangon04 said:

Maybe take lessons from the Vietnamese - the only nation in the region which is not afraid of China....

China has had its ass whipped (been invaded) several times in the past by various nations in the region, not so easy now because we enabled them, they have gone from being a vast impoverished sweatshop nation to an economic power house and are now flexing their new found muscles ........................... the west is 100% responsible for that

[BEVUP]

16 hours ago, tonbridgebrit said:

Go on, Washngton, do it.

Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton were full of BS when it came to the China policy. Yes, Washngton, do stuff that is concreate. Close down the American Embassy in Beijing, and re-open it in Taipei.

There's only one China, everybody on planet earth must choose, Republic of China or Peoples Republic of China. Whatever happens, there must never be two Chinas. And accepting that Taiwan (the Republic of China) is China, well, that will make slapping 45% taxes on the Chinese (Peoples Republic of China) goods entering America more easy.

 

Exactly, the world should be placing import taxes on their products unlike Auss as they sold their citizens out by allowing China to build projects of 150,000,000 using their own people & with industries closing & Auss imploding (no car industry & ect by year end )

[Banana7]

12 hours ago, car720 said:

 

but it is ok for them to dictate to everyone else?

USA dictates freedom, democracy, equality, independence and justice for all. You'll have none that with China and its dictators.

 

Go visit/live in China and publicly say anything negative or critical about  Chinese leadership or the communist party - you'll disappear forever.

[Jonmarleesco]

A velvet glove and an iron fist? Or cheap plastic for both?

[mike324]

I think its silly for those who are supporting taxation of China made goods. That will effect the American consumer just as much as the chinese, its a lose lose for both sides. Majority of the Americans rely on cheap chinese made goods to get by and have a decent normal life style.

[smedly]

2 hours ago, mike324 said:

I think its silly for those who are supporting taxation of China made goods. That will effect the American consumer just as much as the chinese, its a lose lose for both sides. Majority of the Americans rely on cheap chinese made goods to get by and have a decent normal life style.

like what - an iphone

 

please give examples of the cheap stuff that Americans want

[Andaman Al]

Why are some people on here so naive?

 

Do you have any idea what would happen if you start 'whipping ass' or imposing consumer boycotts? For those living in Thailand be careful what you wish for. Thailand is already suffering a great deal due to the rock bottom price of latex due to a slowdown in Chinese manufactured Cars (tyres etc), imposing any boycotts or economic sanctions would have very serious direct effects on many global markets.

 

For those thinking that establishing a more aggressive military posture is the way, then the chest puffing could lead to a very bad situation. We are not dealing with a tin pot nation. The Chinese are shrewd calculating people and have been playing this game for 4000 years of recorded history. This is the land that produced some of the greatest minds and thinkers in human history (Sun Tzu being an appropriate one to name right now) and all of that is embedded in the country's DNA. They were trounced all over by the British and other Europeans and then by the Japanese. As a result they have built up a huge military arsenal including enough nukes on their own to wipe out humanity and I do not believe they will ever bow down and have their 'ass whipped' again.

 

For two thousand years diplomacy has had good results more often than not around the world and beating a sleeping Dragon over the head with a stick to prove you are tougher than it is not really the wisest thing to do. The greatest battles are fought at the discussion and negotiation table. Successful negotiation is a process where BOTH (or more) parties believe they are gaining something more than they are potentially losing and the current willy waving by Trump is madness. If Trump made China lose incalculable face by stepping in on the Taiwan/China debate then we would not be worried about getting our 'cheap Chinese' goods, it will be a whole lot worse! China can bring most nations in the world to their knees without firing a bullet, they simply stop work for a month. If every Chinese business stops work for a month, they would have us on our knees saying sorry. All Trump has to do is maintain the status quo, nothing more, nothing less and in two generations Taiwan and China will sort itself out.

[tonbridgebrit]

6 hours ago, Andaman Al said:

Why are some people on here so naive?

 

Do you have any idea what would happen if you start 'whipping ass' or imposing consumer boycotts? For those living in Thailand be careful what you wish for. Thailand is already suffering a great deal due to the rock bottom price of latex due to a slowdown in Chinese manufactured Cars (tyres etc), imposing any boycotts or economic sanctions would have very serious direct effects on many global markets.

 

For those thinking that establishing a more aggressive military posture is the way, then the chest puffing could lead to a very bad situation. We are not dealing with a tin pot nation. The Chinese are shrewd calculating people and have been playing this game for 4000 years of recorded history. This is the land that produced some of the greatest minds and thinkers in human history (Sun Tzu being an appropriate one to name right now) and all of that is embedded in the country's DNA. They were trounced all over by the British and other Europeans and then by the Japanese. As a result they have built up a huge military arsenal including enough nukes on their own to wipe out humanity and I do not believe they will ever bow down and have their 'ass whipped' again.

 

For two thousand years diplomacy has had good results more often than not around the world and beating a sleeping Dragon over the head with a stick to prove you are tougher than it is not really the wisest thing to do. The greatest battles are fought at the discussion and negotiation table. Successful negotiation is a process where BOTH (or more) parties believe they are gaining something more than they are potentially losing and the current willy waving by Trump is madness. If Trump made China lose incalculable face by stepping in on the Taiwan/China debate then we would not be worried about getting our 'cheap Chinese' goods, it will be a whole lot worse! China can bring most nations in the world to their knees without firing a bullet, they simply stop work for a month. If every Chinese business stops work for a month, they would have us on our knees saying sorry. All Trump has to do is maintain the status quo, nothing more, nothing less and in two generations Taiwan and China will sort itself out.

Hello.
I certainly do not suggest a military confrontation.  I'm just trying to say, that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton talked tough against China, but they did zero concrete action. Having American military ships sailing close to the Chinese islands in the South China Sea was ridiculous and useless. It achieved nothing.

I'm not actually a massive supporter of imposing 45% taxes on the Chinese imports. But, I massively respect Trump for "talking tough and dishing out some real action". I dislike people who talk tough and do nothing. They're called a bunch of _@____  in Britain. All mouth and no action.