UDD questions govt’s efforts to create reconciliation

[webfact]

UDD questions govt’s efforts to create reconciliation
By The Nation

 

BANGKOK: -- Nattawut Saikua, a leader of the United Front of Democracy against Dictatorship, Monday questioned the practicality of the junta’s efforts to create reconciliation.

 

Nattawut said no other countries have been successful in creating reconciliation with a party in conflicts that is in power set up a panel to push for it.

 

Full story: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/news/breakingnews/30304214

 

-- © Copyright The Nation 2017-01-16

[landtrout]

 I've read this through three times, and still have no idea what Mr Nattawut is trying to say.

 

Regardless... I'm sure that Mr. Nattawut will be given ample opportunity to better articulate his concerns to the relevant authorities, as even incomprehensible questions such as this have predictable consequences in "interesting" times such as these!

[sweatalot]

What does UDD mean with "reconciliation"?

Probably "let us back to the troughs and continue with our nepotism and corruption and don't disturb our business, and we want out great leader back"

 

You cannot and should not reconciliate with criminals

[trogers]

What UDD is saying, "We can't reconcile when Satan is still condemned to Hell".

[smedly]

9 hours ago, sweatalot said:

What does UDD mean with "reconciliation"?

Probably "let us back to the troughs and continue with our nepotism and corruption and don't disturb our business, and we want out great leader back"

 

You cannot and should not reconciliate with criminals

exactly right

 

also the fact that Thaksins terrorist wing (UDD) are very much part of the problem, I would even go further and say - they are the problem - a well funded armed organisation willing to pursue their agenda (enriching themselves and feeling powerful) through murder and intimidation

[sjaak327]

1 hour ago, smedly said:

exactly right

 

also the fact that Thaksins terrorist wing (UDD) are very much part of the problem, I would even go further and say - they are the problem - a well funded armed organisation willing to pursue their agenda (enriching themselves and feeling powerful) through murder and intimidation

Hmm they don't seem that much different from the guys that are currently running the show. Maybe one difference, the funding is done with tax payer money, so the intimidated are paying to be intimidated and surpressed ...

 

This lot did talk about reconciliation being one of their goals, but to date they have done absolutely nothing, in fact they have achieved the opposite. Of course, reconciliation was never a real goal.

 

in that light it is hardly surprising people have doubts, but some people shoot the messenger without paying attention to the actual message...

[Srikcir]

19 hours ago, webfact said:

questioned the practicality of the junta’s efforts to create reconciliation.

 

I find the junta's efforts very practical if their aim is to suppress freedom of expression through association with political parties.

Mao would have been impressed with the junta's practicality.

[Baerboxer]

2 hours ago, Srikcir said:

I find the junta's efforts very practical if their aim is to suppress freedom of expression through association with political parties.

Mao would have been impressed with the junta's practicality.

 

Just like only one party, its candidates and supporters were allowed in the North. All others suppressed, even singers giving concerts who supported the "wrong" party!

 

Nothing has or will change. It ain't the West, its the East. More Chinese influence in reality than Western.

[aussieinthailand]

21 hours ago, sweatalot said:

What does UDD mean with "reconciliation"?

Probably "let us back to the troughs and continue with our nepotism and corruption and don't disturb our business, and we want out great leader back"

 

You cannot and should not reconciliate with criminals

I do agree with your last line. 

So do you hold the same candel to the current lot?  So nepotism and corruption by faction should be open/nonbias/independant.

Name one fully independate and fully transperant and with unlimited access to information has the junta let operate?

Calling one side to account but letting another free will is not going to help or fix the problem.

[JAG]

 
Just like only one party, its candidates and supporters were allowed in the North. All others suppressed, even singers giving concerts who supported the "wrong" party!
 
Nothing has or will change. It ain't the West, its the East. More Chinese influence in reality than Western.

Come on, can you substantiate that only one party, candidate and its supporters were allowed in the North? I live in the North and seem to remember plenty of candidates standing and canvassing.

I have seen pictures of Democrats campaigning freely in Chiang Mai - the very heart of darkness!

Mind you, I do seem to remember candidates being prevented from registering, and voters being prevented from voting, in Bangkok and the south I recall...

[wakeupplease]

Reconciliation

You have to feel sorry for the Thais using words they do not understand

 

English words they do understand

Loose Face

Corruption

Lies

 

Hers a few they need to learn very quickly

Forgive

Forget

Move on

Share the power and MONEY Equal

 

New Spelling for North Korea Thailand

 

Are you sure this country was not colonized and all the cons ships here in the past

[halloween]

Someone tipped him that his long overdue court case is about to start?

[sweatalot]

40 minutes ago, aussieinthailand said:

I do agree with your last line. 

So do you hold the same candel to the current lot?  So nepotism and corruption by faction should be open/nonbias/independant.

Name one fully independate and fully transperant and with unlimited access to information has the junta let operate?

Calling one side to account but letting another free will is not going to help or fix the problem.

I think due to a long history of corruption and nepotism (brought to its climax by Tahksin and his gang) it is impossible now and for some time to come, to rule this country without. But I think the present one shows good will and is marching in the right direction.

 

But heaven forbid if the red lot comes to power again

[ramrod711]

The UDD know how to reconcile differences in Thailand, look what they have managed in the past.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBDm-jA3N80

 

[candide]

19 minutes ago, sweatalot said:

I think due to a long history of corruption and nepotism (brought to its climax by Tahksin and his gang) it is impossible now and for some time to come, to rule this country without. But I think the present one shows good will and is marching in the right direction.

 

But heaven forbid if the red lot comes to power again

To some extent you are right. If we assume that the political faction in power at a point in time will never really fight corruption in its own camp, the current bunch has at least the will and all power to fight corruption in the opposed faction (the red lot, as you call them).

When the red lot comes back to power, they may have the will to fight corruption in the opposed faction (army, dems, yellow shirts). However, they will not be allowed to investigate the army, and the judicial will also probably not help them against yellow politicians or activists (even Suthep, who was an easy target, has been spared up to now).

So it may be that it currently reduces corruption from at least one camp. However it is unknown to which extent an increase of corruption in one camp may be a substitute for the decrease of corruption in the targeted camp.

[sjaak327]

1 hour ago, sweatalot said:

I think due to a long history of corruption and nepotism (brought to its climax by Tahksin and his gang) it is impossible now and for some time to come, to rule this country without. But I think the present one shows good will and is marching in the right direction.

 

But heaven forbid if the red lot comes to power again

If you think that Thaksin and his gang was the climax of corruption and nepotism, you have no clue about Thai history or you choose to ignore all the rest.

 

[sjaak327]

2 hours ago, JAG said:

 

Come on, can you substantiate that only one party, candidate and its supporters were allowed in the North? I live in the North and seem to remember plenty of candidates standing and canvassing.

I have seen pictures of Democrats campaigning freely in Chiang Mai - the very heart of darkness!

Mind you, I do seem to remember candidates being prevented from registering, and voters being prevented from voting, in Bangkok and the south I recall...

 

He will not be able to substantiate that claim. And indeed ignores what the other side has done in recent times, to be honest, I think the other side is far worse.

 

The things you talk off were an absolute disgrace and for all to see. But of course these people will never be prosecuted for breaking the law.

[aussieinthailand]

16 hours ago, sweatalot said:

I think due to a long history of corruption and nepotism (brought to its climax by Tahksin and his gang) it is impossible now and for some time to come, to rule this country without. But I think the present one shows good will and is marching in the right direction.

 

But heaven forbid if the red lot comes to power again

I think if you reserch a little you might find that the military are regarded as the most corrupt faction in the country and this history is very very long far beyond Thaksin and even before the Dems were first formed.

The issue I have is when people call one side to account but then claim the other faction is not as corrupt so that's better, as if the country is going some how in the right direction, sorry man but My question still stnds unanswered. : Name one just one independant/fully transperant/with accsess to full and all infromation one any one of the allergtions of corruption/nepotism/human rights abuses that this junts had had put to them in the last almost three years,  Answer NOT ONE...!

So agian calling out one side of the political spectrum but staying quiet and letting the other side just go freely or with just a small amount of critisizum is just not cricket mate, it's a slanted veiw and bias which will n ot help the country or people...

As far as "but heven forbid if the red lot comes back to power."  her's a challange for you and the other's that agree with that statment.

Name all the poitive policy's the evil Thaksin had for the country,  There's quite a few of them.

Now name the  name the positive policy's mark had placed in for the countrty. Bugga all.

and Now the big one, name the positve policy's that the junta have lfor Thailand. even less than the dem's

And that's why more people support the red rather than the yellows or the junta man.....!

[halloween]

Perhaps if you phrased your question more clearly, somebody might grasp what it is you are asking, and even have an answer.

While few people deny any of Thaksin's policies were beneficial, most can also recognise that many were self-serving, and that he used his power to criminally enrich himself. the "I'm alright Jack" crowd might find that acceptable, others do not.

You denigrate the Democrat's policies, ignoring that quite a few were beneficial. The rice subsidy paid directly to farmers was one far superior to the policy it replaced, and which Yingluk re-instated.

The subsidy on school uniforms and texts is still sadly missed by many, the tablet scam that replaced it was ridiculous.