Police ‘prove’ Jomsap plot

[webfact]

Police ‘prove’ Jomsap plot
By The Nation

 

Panya

 

Senior officers claim new evidence shows conspiracy to persuade court on retrial

 

NAKHON PHANOM: -- POLICE YESTERDAY revealed information they claimed proved a network of people set up evidence that backed former teacher Jomsap Saenmuangkhot’s claim of innocence in a 2005 fatal hit-and-run accident.

 

Police deputy spokesman Kritsana Pattanacharoen said police would sue members of the network for compensation for tarnishing the police force’s image if their involvement is proved illegal.

 

Police Inspector-General Pol General Panya Mamen said police found that after the Supreme Court issued its ruling, a group of seven people in late 2013 brought a man to the Nakhon Phanom’s Renu Nakhon Police Station maintaining that he was actually the driver of the pick-up truck involved in the accident. The unidentified man was not Sak Wapi, another man who has since confessed to being the driver in the fatal accident.

 

Full story: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/news/national/30304412

 

-- © Copyright The Nation 2017-01-19

[smedly]

what a mess

[Black arab]

This gets more confusing everyday, or is that the point

[rkidlad]

Huge mess.

 

Basically, the police can do whatever they like. They're held accountable to no one. They follow no protocols and have zero morals. They believe the truth is whatever they say it is. Such arrogance. 

 

Thai people need to wake up and realise they have the power. Get dash cams, pocket cams, etc, and film every time you have an encounter with a police officer. Remember the old rule; "If you're doing nothing wrong, you've got nothing to worry about". This also applies to the police. Every time the police don't do their job properly or break the law, put it on Facebook. 

[waldroj]

DSI asked to provide witness protection for Jomsap !!! 

 

The kiss of death ??? 

[thai3]

so they admit it was a man who did it, but the teacher is still appearing in court, madhouse

[otherstuff1957]

The police will go to any lengths to avoid admitting that they were wrong.

[smedly]

17 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

Huge mess.

 

Basically, the police can do whatever they like. They're held accountable to no one. They follow no protocols and have zero morals. They believe the truth is whatever they say it is. Such arrogance. 

 

Thai people need to wake up and realise they have the power. Get dash cams, pocket cams, etc, and film every time you have an encounter with a police officer. Remember the old rule; "If you're doing nothing wrong, you've got nothing to worry about". This also applies to the police. Every time the police don't do their job properly or break the law, put it on Facebook. 

pretty much sums it up and you are 100% correct, one case stands out as a fine example - Koh Tao

 

1. in order to protect yourself you must be allowed the choice of legal representation, in the west police are not allowed to converse or interact with an accused unless they are present, it works both ways ensuring that the police  are acting with integrity and doing everything by the book, it also re-enforces any case the police may have against the accused. 

 

2. Also any physical evidence the police claim to have connecting the accused to the offence must be held and made available upon request, you cannot simply say we found a gun that matched the bullet but fail to produce either, this also applies to DNA, there is no half way - you either have it or you don't, there is one exception to DNA were samples are so minute that there is risk of exhaustion, I'm not going to explain it here go look it up - but there is a legal procedure that needs to be followed 

 

It is of the utmost importance they everything is done by the book and above board, there can be no exceptions otherwise the whole thing is a fail

 

I don't know what is going on with this case as the whole thing is rather confusing, it is difficult to understand what is true and what isn't but one thing is for sure - some people are telling a lot of lies

 

One thing that stands out to me - This woman has been set free why would she even bother - she is either extremely stupid or extremely angry - I am leaning towards the latter

[Eligius]

17 minutes ago, otherstuff1957 said:

The police will go to any lengths to avoid admitting that they were wrong.

Refusing to admit you are wrong is very much a Thai trait.

 

It always strikes me as remarkable that a nation brought up on the notion of Karma (that actions have corresponding moral consequences, which must be accepted and learned from) is so averse to fessing up to their own actions and facing the results.

 

The biggest cowards in this area are of course the police and the military d... di.... 'dinosaurs' of Thailand.

Edited January 19, 2017 by Eligius

[newatthis]

" Deputy Permanent Secretary for the Justice Ministry Pol Colonel Dusadee Arayawuth said the ministry would present three new witnesses and evidence at the hearings to prove Jomsap’s innocence and convince the court to order a retrial. He said the witnesses and evidence were credible and had not been presented to the court previously. "

 

This is really going to help inter-departmental relationships. We have the RTP saying one thing and the Justice Ministry saying another.

As other posters have said: What a mess!!!!

[meatboy]

dont know if this has come up before,  "FORENSIC EVIDENCE" on the vehicle.

[rkidlad]

3 minutes ago, smedly said:

pretty much sums it up and you are 100% correct, one case stands out as a fine example - Koh Tao

 

1. in order to protect yourself you must be allowed the choice of legal representation, in the west police are not allowed to converse or interact with an accused unless they are present, it works both ways ensuring that the police  are acting with integrity and doing everything by the book, it also re-enforces any case the police may have against the accused. 

 

2. Also any physical evidence the police claim to have connecting the accused to the offence must be held and made available upon request, you cannot simply say we found a gun that matched the bullet but fail to produce either, this also applies to DNA, there is no half way - you either have it or you don't, there is one exception to DNA were samples are so minute that there is risk of exhaustion, I'm not going to explain it here go look it up - but there is a legal procedure that needs to be followed 

 

It is of the utmost importance they everything is done by the book and above board, there can be no exceptions otherwise the whole thing is a fail

 

I don't know what is going on with this case as the whole thing is rather confusing, it is difficult to understand what is true and what isn't but one thing is for sure - some people are telling a lot of lies

 

One thing that stands out to me - This woman has been set free why would she even bother - she is either extremely stupid or extremely angry - I am leaning towards the latter

Also, if she didn't have the money, power or smarts to stay out of prison (even get away with it) originally, how on earth would she have set this all up to have the police so flustered? They're literally saying anything and everything to cover their a****. 

 

Even Thailand's biggest RTP fanboy couldn't say there is nothing at all fishy about this case, regarding the RTP's conduct. 

[sweatalot]

Whatever Thai police say - I don't believe them

 

And they should learn that nobody believes them

 

And they have to learn that it is their own fault

[sweatalot]

8 minutes ago, newatthis said:

" Deputy Permanent Secretary for the Justice Ministry Pol Colonel Dusadee Arayawuth said the ministry would present three new witnesses and evidence at the hearings to prove Jomsap’s innocence and convince the court to order a retrial. He said the witnesses and evidence were credible and had not been presented to the court previously. "

 

This is really going to help inter-departmental relationships. We have the RTP saying one thing and the Justice Ministry saying another.

As other posters have said: What a mess!!!!

"...the RTP saying one thing and the Justice Ministry saying another...."

Justice Ministry seems to be more credible

[Jonmarleesco]

Amazing how competent the RTP can be when its their 'reputation' on the line. But it's a little difficult to tarnish something that rarely sees the light of day.

[Jonmarleesco]

2 hours ago, Black arab said:

This gets more confusing everyday, or is that the point

It could only be the point if someone does understand it. And that is unlikely to be anyone in the RTP.

[Saraphee]

5 minutes ago, Jonmarleesco said:

Amazing how competent the RTP can be when its their 'reputation' on the line. But it's a little difficult to tarnish something that rarely sees the light of day.

If their approach is the truth then it does show great competence, if on the other hand it should not prove true it what would it demonstrate?

[Khun Paul]

Of course the police have proven a plot, anything to save face, had they had an independent investigation, from the beginning this may never have occurred. But then this is Thailand  and Thainess rules, no matter what .

[ALLSEEINGEYE]

3 hours ago, Eligius said:

Refusing to admit you are wrong is very much a Thai trait.

 

It always strikes me as remarkable that a nation brought up on the notion of Karma (that actions have corresponding moral consequences, which must be accepted and learned from) is so averse to fessing up to their own actions and facing the results.

 

The biggest cowards in this area are of course the police and the military d... di.... 'dinosaurs' of Thailand.

Never admitting you're wrong is a Thai trait?

 

Is Donald Trump Thai???

[elgordo38]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

for tarnishing the police force’s image

Please spare me. 

[Presto]

' a network of people set up evidence that backed former teacher Jomsap '

 

What exactly is wrong with gathering evidence?

[Retiredandhappyhere]

35 minutes ago, Presto said:

' a network of people set up evidence that backed former teacher Jomsap '

 

What exactly is wrong with gathering evidence?

 

Only the RTP are allowed to do that !  

[scorecard]

5 hours ago, sweatalot said:

Whatever Thai police say - I don't believe them

 

And they should learn that nobody believes them

 

And they have to learn that it is their own fault

 

Add; this lady has now been found innocent by the courts.

 

- Now, if she did collude with others to create a picture of 'innocence', or if she really is guilty, why proceed any further and risk her freedom / risk being punished for the offense.

 

- Why not just say nothing more and leave it alone.

 

So, it seems to me that she believes without any doubt that she is innocent, and she wants to make the RTP look totally incompetent and wants some RTP officers to be punished. Who knows / what a mess.

[joebrown]

2 hours ago, ALLSEEINGEYE said:

Never admitting you're wrong is a Thai trait?

 

Is Donald Trump Thai???

I'm not Thai or American, and the OP is about an incident in Thailand, so can you please explain why you have brought Donald Trump into this thread? 

Edited January 19, 2017 by joebrown
Re-wording

[oldgent]

its getting Hotter. best thing the teacher can do is go away for a while

[docshock13]

Police Inspector-General Pol General Panya Mamen. Same dude that headed the Koh Tao murders (in the beginning). Not implying anything, just putting it out there. 

[lamyai3]

On 1/20/2017 at 1:03 AM, docshock13 said:

Police Inspector-General Pol General Panya Mamen. Same dude that headed the Koh Tao murders (in the beginning). Not implying anything, just putting it out there. 

 

Yeah, but wasn't he the guy who was taken off that case sharpish, for seemingly barking up the right tree?

[onthesoi]

On 19/01/2017 at 1:06 AM, thai3 said:

so they admit it was a man who did it, but the teacher is still appearing in court, madhouse

 

The police admit nothing of the kind, try reading the article more carefully.

 

Yes, there is a man currently claiming he committed the crime.

 

But, there is also a completely different man who admitted to the crime at an earlier date.

 

It's quite obvious there is a conspiracy to discredit the police and make the school teacher look innocent(something that's not easy given her behaviour during the initial investigation) ...what with all these different men coming forward with fake confessions for the same crime.

 

Edited January 21, 2017 by onthesoi

[greenchair]

On 19/1/2017 at 8:55 AM, meatboy said:

dont know if this has come up before,  "FORENSIC EVIDENCE" on the vehicle.

The story in another place says a farmer bought the truck in 2004. Mr sap apparently did not change the ownership papers, after a few years the farmer sold the truck for scrap. Miraculously both truck and ownership papers were destroyed. In the new story here on tv, the ownership papers were changed in 2004. The police say  the former senator said producing false evidence would be illegal so he turned the group down for assistance. 

The former senator says he turned them down because of the supreme Court ruling. 

She has never changed her story, neither has Mr sap, who now has miraculously disappeared also. 

 

[dcnx]

On 1/19/2017 at 8:55 AM, meatboy said:

dont know if this has come up before,  "FORENSIC EVIDENCE" on the vehicle.

 

Shut up. Such things have no place in a Thai court room, especially after she wouldn't admit to the accident.