Morch Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 1 hour ago, pumpuy said: Would be more hard to boycott everything chinese , as nearly everything is chinese made bny now ... but as you say , the question was ... but now the new question is the old one : Why not make peace ? Why continue the aggressions and wait for the foreseeable responses just to get a reason to hit back even harder ? Disgusting . Make peace , work together for a better world , people around the world would respect the Israelis for this . Peace requires at least two sides. The Palestinian are currently having trouble having peace even among themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 1 hour ago, sanemax said: Making peace with people who want to eradicate you is not a sensible thing to do . It would be very likely that the Palestinians would use their Country to wage war against Israel . As Israel's late prime minister, Rabin, said - peace is made with enemies. Not all of the Palestinian are out to eradicate Israel, and not all that currently wish it would hold the same views if given an alternative. Israel's security situation may face certain threats following such an agreement, but will also be improved on other fronts. Most of these considerations have been addressed in various formulations of possible conflict resolution suggestions. It is hardly the case that holding on to the West Bank is conductive to Israel's security. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, pumpuy said: Palestinians would have no means to ever win a war against Israel , and they know this . Just another lame excuse ... Winning an outright war, probably not. Inflicting severe damage, yes. There are various steps which could restrict the capabilities of a Palestinian state (or elements within) in carrying out aggression against Israel. It cannot, however, be fully guaranteed that these would cover all options or that they would hold. Lame would be to ignore security considerations as being paramount to any agreement, even if these mean a less than ideal situation. Edited January 24, 2017 by Morch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 For Israel to give any concessions , the whole of the Middle east and all Islamic Countries would have to recognise and accept Israel and normalise relations with them . Saudi, Iran, Pakistan , Malaysia etc would all have to be on friendly, at least, non aggressive terms with them . Allow the US $300 Billion worth of assets that Jews left behind in the Middle east whilst fleeing to Israel , to be given back to them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 50 minutes ago, RuamRudy said: And you think Hamas defines all Palestinians? Does Bibi define the character of all Israelis? Are all Americans aligned with the Donald? Indeed, but look at these topics - do most participants make such distinctions? Not really. Do Israelis and Palestinians make them with regard to each other? Somewhat. Hamas represents a major segment of the Palestinian public, at least as far as political support is concerned. Not all of it is direct support for all of its views and agenda - like other cases (Israel & USA, to name obvious examples), popular support is usually grounded on several issues rather than one. Many times people go for something because the alternative is less appealing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 7 minutes ago, sanemax said: For Israel to give any concessions , the whole of the Middle east and all Islamic Countries would have to recognise and accept Israel and normalise relations with them . Saudi, Iran, Pakistan , Malaysia etc would all have to be on friendly, at least, non aggressive terms with them . Allow the US $300 Billion worth of assets that Jews left behind in the Middle east whilst fleeing to Israel , to be given back to them Most peace talks relating to the Palestinians touch on that, usually with a reference to the Saudi Peace Initiative. It is essentially pretty much what you describe in terms of recognition and normalization. Granted, it does not cover all relevant countries - obvious examples would be Iran, Syria and Lebanon. It could be argued that having such a regional agreement, even if not all encompassing, would be a better position than not having it, and that it might be used as a leverage to curb Iran's ambitions and designs. The issue of the Jewish assets left behind in Arab countries is more related to the so-called Palestinian Right of Return issue. There are various ways which allow for both to be resolved. Probably not to all sides complete satisfaction, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimmer Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Some off topic conspiracy troll posts all from the same poster have been removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pumpuy Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Morch said: Most peace talks relating to the Palestinians touch on that, usually with a reference to the Saudi Peace Initiative. It is essentially pretty much what you describe in terms of recognition and normalization. Granted, it does not cover all relevant countries - obvious examples would be Iran, Syria and Lebanon. It could be argued that having such a regional agreement, even if not all encompassing, would be a better position than not having it, and that it might be used as a leverage to curb Iran's ambitions and designs. The issue of the Jewish assets left behind in Arab countries is more related to the so-called Palestinian Right of Return issue. There are various ways which allow for both to be resolved. Probably not to all sides complete satisfaction, though. Yes , all this was already discussed I do not know how many times on TV . It never lead to anything ... Look at it from a different angle > If the Israelis would become , ( purely hypothetical question ) , the rulers of the world , what kind of world would that be ? A world worth living in , with mutual understanding , people working together , no more poverty , sharing the resources , living in peace and harmony >>> Or would there be some people in their golden palaces , living in incredible luxury , while the others woud be exploited by them ? Just imagine what kind of world that would be if the Israelis had the " absolute power " on this planet ? Do not hesitate to share your thoughts ... Edited January 24, 2017 by pumpuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 9 minutes ago, pumpuy said: Yes , all this was already discussed I do not know how many times on TV . It never lead to anything ... Look at it from a different angle > If the Israelis would become , ( purely hypothetical question ) , the rulers of the world , what kind of world would that be ? A world worth living in , with mutual understanding , people working together , no more poverty , sharing the resources , living in peace and harmony >>> Or would there be some people in their golden palaces , living in incredible luxury , while the others woud be exploited by them ? Just imagine what kind of world that would be if the Israelis had the " absolute power " on this planet ? Do not hesitate to share your thoughts ... You are assuming that all Israelis are the same. That's pretty much a non-starter for any reasonable discussion, even one with less of an inane premise than suggested above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pumpuy Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 1 minute ago, Morch said: You are assuming that all Israelis are the same. That's pretty much a non-starter for any reasonable discussion, even one with less of an inane premise than suggested above. I am talking about a country , not about individuals . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 14 minutes ago, pumpuy said: Yes , all this was already discussed I do not know how many times on TV . It never lead to anything ... Look at it from a different angle > If the Israelis would become , ( purely hypothetical question ) , the rulers of the world , what kind of world would that be ? A world worth living in , with mutual understanding , people working together , no more poverty , sharing the resources , living in peace and harmony >>> Or would there be some people in their golden palaces , living in incredible luxury , while the others woud be exploited by them ? Just imagine what kind of world that would be if the Israelis had the " absolute power " on this planet ? Do not hesitate to share your thoughts ... Have you been reading Mien Kamph? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pumpuy Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 4 minutes ago, Morch said: You are assuming that all Israelis are the same. That's pretty much a non-starter for any reasonable discussion, even one with less of an inane premise than suggested above. Oh , come on , what would it be like if you , Morch , would be the leader of the world ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 1 minute ago, pumpuy said: I am talking about a country , not about individuals . Whatever you talk about, its meaningless. It assumes that the country got a unified view, set of mind, and goals. A country does not rule as such, rather its leadership does. In democratic systems, this leadership if often either a compromise or partial representation of the electorate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pumpuy Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 1 minute ago, sanemax said: Have you been reading Mien Kamph? No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 1 minute ago, pumpuy said: Oh , come on , what would it be like if you , Morch , would be the leader of the world ? Troll much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pumpuy Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Just now, Morch said: Whatever you talk about, its meaningless. It assumes that the country got a unified view, set of mind, and goals. A country does not rule as such, rather its leadership does. In democratic systems, this leadership if often either a compromise or partial representation of the electorate. Exactly right , so what do you think this leadership would make of the world ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pumpuy Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 1 minute ago, Morch said: Troll much? I see you do not have any answers ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 1 minute ago, pumpuy said: Exactly right , so what do you think this leadership would make of the world ? Is this correct "? You are concerned about Jews ruling the World and supporting Palestinians in their conflict with Israel will help stop Jews ruling the World ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pumpuy Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, sanemax said: Is this correct "? You are concerned about Jews ruling the World and supporting Palestinians in their conflict with Israel will help stop Jews ruling the World ? That is BS , I was asking a simply question that requires only a bit of imagination to answer , and I was expecting answers , but did not get one by now ... Are you politicians ? At least you talk like ... Edited January 24, 2017 by pumpuy forgot something ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 10 minutes ago, pumpuy said: I see you do not have any answers ... Not for trolls, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pumpuy Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Brilliant Rhetorics , very intelligent negotiators suddenly become mute ? It is worse than I thought ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 9 minutes ago, pumpuy said: That is BS , I was asking a simply question that requires only a bit of imagination to answer , and I was expecting answers , but did not get one by now ... Are you politicians ? At least you talk like ... Although you did ask a question, you also gave your opinion of what you thought that it would be like . Your imagination of how the World would be if Jews ruled the World is very similar to the extreme Right-wings views . Maybe you are correct, maybe not, I have no idea . what it would be like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pumpuy Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 1 minute ago, sanemax said: Although you did ask a question, you also gave your opinion of what you thought that it would be like . Your imagination of how the World would be if Jews ruled the World is very similar to the extreme Right-wings views . Maybe you are correct, maybe not, I have no idea . what it would be like You mean this part : " A world worth living in , with mutual understanding , people working together , no more poverty , sharing the resources , living in peace and harmony >>> " ? Come on , just a bit of imagination required for an answer ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pumpuy Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) Ok , I got the picture ... just what I thought ...bye bye Edited January 24, 2017 by pumpuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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