Popular Post Reeba Posted January 27, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2017 Hi I lived and worked on a farm in a remote area of Thailand, I became very involved with the commmunity helping in the school aiding to get the farm certified organic and stupidly overstayed 4 years for which I am very ashamed. Early last year I gave birth to our precious son and decided I needed to make things right and was advised to leave via Don Muang airport where i was promptly detained and blacklisted for 5 years which was devastating to my partner (Thai father)and myself. I contacted http://www.thailandblacklistcheck.com and was told it could be fixed so I paid the money to have it removed legally and quite some months down the track was told it was lifted as of 1st January 17 so booked my ticket, got my visa, my partner had made his way to Bangkok , but my baby and I weren't even allowed on the aircraft as immigration had told them I am blacklisted.!! Devasted! I am told there is nothing that can be done. I have made a terrible mistake with devastating consequences not just for myself but for my partner. This is more of a warning to others not to overstay and not to trust the likes of David, thailandblacklist.com that pray on the desperate 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstevens Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 This is a sad story in many ways. Sad that you overstayed so long, sad that you have been blacklisted and separated from your partner and sad that the blacklist block has not been lifted. Some could argue that it is sad that you tried to circumvent the punishment you got for overstaying. In a case like this in my country, I would say to get in touch with a lawyer who specialises in immigration law. The difficulty is that I am not sure that I have ever read any recommendations on here of any Thai lawyers who specialise in immigration issues and who are good at what they do and honest. Some members of this forum have been impressed with the service provided by www.thaivisaservice.com Apparently they can help with blacklist checks and things like that. Why not get in touch with them and see if they can help you. Good luck. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ezzra Posted January 27, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2017 If you do retain a immigration lawyer, be very, very careful on making 100% sure what he will and can do for you and at what time frame and cost, Sadly, lawyers in Thailand, speaking from painful personal experience, are not known for their honesty and integrity to say the least, personally, I'm not sure whether your situation can be reversed, but if it can, I'm sure you will do the right think this time around and I wish you and you family all the best.... 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dinsdale Posted January 28, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2017 4 yrs? You must have known 4 yrs ago you needed to do something. Shame you let it slide for so long. 27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jacko45k Posted January 28, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2017 It is very sad but unless you were living very isolated surely you knew of the impending and now current blacklisting for overstay. There was plenty of warning given beforehand which effectively flushed many out. Perhaps you and your partner can meet in a adjacent country near the border. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackThompson Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 I would guess you contacted the blacklist site after your refusal. Is the fix perhaps "in process"? You might still be on the airlines' "no go" list, even if the change was made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ubonjoe Posted January 28, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2017 Posts haranguing the OP for her overstay have been removed. She came here for help not to be abused for it. All further such posts will be removed without notice. 54 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ubonjoe Posted January 28, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2017 Have you been in touch with Thailand blacklist about the denial to board your flight? If yes what have they said about it. Perhaps it was a mistake or they just took your money and did nothing. Perhaps you should contact Thai visa service and ask them to check to see if your are still banned from entry. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bubba Posted January 28, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2017 Well, so much for http://www.thailandblacklistcheck.com The website you were trying to reach is temporarily unavailable. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post catman20 Posted January 28, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2017 26 minutes ago, ubonjoe said: Posts haranguing the OP for her overstay have been removed. She came here for help not to be abused for it. All further such posts will be removed without notice. do you condone overstay ? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post darrendsd Posted January 28, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, catman20 said: do you condone overstay ? The OP knows they have made a terrible mistake and they have admitted it, the usual TV bashers won't make the situation any better, OP try http://www.thaivisaservice.com/ you will get honest answers from them 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lovethailandelite Posted January 28, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2017 In a case of being Blacklisted by Immigration, how does an Embassy or consulate manage to issue a visa, yet at the same time airlines know your blacklisted and deny boarding yet even more incredible, an agency for a fee, can also gain access to this information? Is the visa system really that flawed? Maybe that's another case for 'E visas' where at least all history is on one central database saving time, money and wasted trips to airports. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SOUTHERNSTAR Posted January 28, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2017 I think that a lawyer will cost you plenty without any gaurantee of a positive result. I wonder is your partner on your childs birth certificate ? If so is it not possible for your partner to go to immigration to argue that by banning you they are preventing him having access to his child. Just thinking if such a ban can be waived due to the child or not? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 9 minutes ago, Lovethailandelite said: In a case of being Blacklisted by Immigration, how does an Embassy or consulate manage to issue a visa, yet at the same time airlines know your blacklisted and deny boarding yet even more incredible, an agency for a fee, can also gain access to this information? Is the visa system really that flawed? Maybe that's another case for 'E visas' where at least all history is on one central database saving time, money and wasted trips to airports. Because embassies and do not check for it. They do not have access to immigrations database. Immigration is sent a passenger list by the airlines. This is the first report I can recall of them advising a person not be allowed to board a flight for blacklisting. Some people have got as far as entry to the country before being denied. Some agents have contacts with immigration that have access to the the database and can check for it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ubonjoe Posted January 28, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2017 52 minutes ago, catman20 said: do you condone overstay ? No I do not but I do understand that people sometimes get in a situation where it was out of their control. This is a forum to to help people not to be abuse them because of your own personal opinions and biases. 67 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thai3 Posted January 28, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2017 In this case it was clearly not out of control, she just could not be bothered about it, until too late. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ubonjoe Posted January 28, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2017 5 minutes ago, thai3 said: In this case it was clearly not out of control, she just could not be bothered about it, until too late. That is your opinion. She does admit she was wrong. 7 hours ago, Reeba said: stupidly overstayed 4 years for which I am very ashamed. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maewang99 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 very good advice previously given... but let me repeat it. be VERY careful in choosing a lawyer. don't go by your gut instinct nor that of other folks. look at what they have gotten done, and how long they have been practicing this particular kind of law... family/immigration issues. otherwise you are risking more sad chapters for your life story. I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian232 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 What if you.and your partner get legally married then he can apply for a visa for you on family basis . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post humqdpf Posted January 28, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2017 5 hours ago, catman20 said: do you condone overstay ? You don't have to condone overstay to feel sorry for the predicament that this person is in. And we have to remember that there are two persons who did nothing wrong here but who are deeply affected, named they child and the father. It does seem more than harsh that a family should suffer so badly because one broke some administrative rules. Blacklisting in other countries is usually reserved for criminals of the highest order. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrry Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, humqdpf said: You don't have to condone overstay to feel sorry for the predicament that this person is in. And we have to remember that there are two persons who did nothing wrong here but who are deeply affected, named they child and the father. It does seem more than harsh that a family should suffer so badly because one broke some administrative rules. Blacklisting in other countries is usually reserved for criminals of the highest order. Actually many other countries apply blacklisting for overstays, the difference is that in most of the other countries there is some form of appeal mechanism through the courts which will look at reasons and often adjust the period. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ubonjoe Posted January 28, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2017 1 hour ago, ubonjoe said: Posts haranguing the OP for her overstay have been removed. She came here for help not to be abused for it. All further such posts will be removed without notice. it seems somebody failed to read this notice and reposted the same post after the first one was removed. A repeat of it will result in formall warning. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post hobobo Posted January 28, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2017 24 minutes ago, ubonjoe said: No I do not but I do understand that people sometimes get in a situation where it was out of their control. This is a forum to to help people not to be abuse them because of your own personal opinions and biases. Well said ubonjoe! It appears that these days the majority of responses are abusive and insulting. Where have understanding, compassion and help gone? 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thai3 Posted January 28, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2017 (edited) I have not seen any abusive or insulting posts 10 minutes ago, harrry said: Actually many other countries apply blacklisting for overstays, the difference is that in most of the other countries there is some form of appeal mechanism through the courts which will look at reasons and often adjust the period. One of the reasons Thailand is to be admired- no drawn out appeals going on for years, especially when a case is black and white. Thailand does not get many things right but it does with illegal immigration, like it or not. Edited January 28, 2017 by thai3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovethailandelite Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 (edited) 51 minutes ago, ubonjoe said: Because embassies and do not check for it. They do not have access to immigrations database. Immigration is sent a passenger list by the airlines. This is the first report I can recall of them advising a person not be allowed to board a flight for blacklisting. Some people have got as far as entry to the country before being denied. Some agents have contacts with immigration that have access to the the database and can check for it. Thanks for your reply and as I suspected, a totally flawed system that is in dire need of overall. Yes, very concerning being on a no fly list as that is normally reserved for very serious cases and has ramifications for even taking a flight that passes through Thai airspace in case of a need for emergency landing. and for taking any flights that require a transit through a Thai airport, London to Taiwan for instance on an EVA Air flight. I am beginning to wonder if this is the whole story with this? Good luck to the OP at the very least clearing her name from the no fly list but I can tell her, it isn't easy or a short process to do it whatever people choose to believe. Edited January 28, 2017 by Lovethailandelite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maewang99 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 (edited) and also as to lawyers.... don't go with an embassy or consulate recommended lawyer list. none of the folks who approve these lists actually live in Thailand. for instance, they may even speak fluent Pasa Thai.... but that doesn't mean they live here. the word "live" being used collequally, not literally. this was especially true for the US Consulate in Chiangmai which for some time listed only one lawyer for family type problems.... which lawyer was suddenly no longer listed by them after just a few years... if you do need to go by any recommendation in the North, for instance, you want to talk to folks in the "local language". that's a clue right there. and folks who really do live here, not in some enclave or for a few years at a time. Edited January 28, 2017 by maewang99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post somo Posted January 28, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2017 If you are from the UK it is a relatively simple matter to change your name by deed. You can then get a new passport and start your life again. I had a friend in a similar situation some years back and he has had no problems. Just keep yourself squeaky clean once you return. GL 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 30 minutes ago, harrry said: Actually many other countries apply blacklisting for overstays, the difference is that in most of the other countries there is some form of appeal mechanism through the courts which will look at reasons and often adjust the period. 20 minutes ago, thai3 said: One of the reasons Thailand is to be admired- no drawn out appeals going on for years, especially when a case is black and white. Thailand does not get many things right but it does with illegal immigration, like it or not. Thailand does have a appeal process that starts at immigration. It could even be started prior to it going into effect. In most cases the person is already out of the country that complicates the matter. It could mean spending some time in detention if a person was to turn theirself in for the overstay and it would be decided by a judge the same way the overstay fine is reduced in overstay cases where the fine is reduced to 2 or 3k baht from 20k baht. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mydee Posted January 28, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2017 25 minutes ago, ubonjoe said: it seems somebody failed to read this notice and reposted the same post after the first one was removed. A repeat of it will result in formall warning. Well done, I don't envy your task What some of the "moral critics" don't realize is that if members asking advice get harangued they wont ask again. So not only do these unfortunate people miss out on guidance and expertise, the critics will have noone to harangue in any case So taking the moral high ground is a pointless exercise 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterw42 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 13 minutes ago, somo said: If you are from the UK it is a relatively simple matter to change your name by deed. You can then get a new passport and start your life again. I had a friend in a similar situation some years back and he has had no problems. Just keep yourself squeaky clean once you return. GL I believe they now put "previous name" on a UK passport if a name change has taken place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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