Farang as Juristic Manager. Any in Pattaya ?

[thairookie]

Has any one, other than Thais, managed to get into the committee of the juristic person of your condo?  Better still, a Juristic Manager of your condo ?

 

Is it possible at all ?  Especially if you don't have a work permit.

[prk888]

I was advised categorically (including Land Office and Immigration Officer) that i did not need a work permit to act as the JPM.

I signed 2 "debt free" letters in 14 months.

A sociopathic 'enemy' got his Thai wife to report me to Immigration

I/we had a peppercorn fine imposed but spent an uncomfortable day at Court.

A fararng on a Committee is not a problem

Be advised

 

[johng]

A fararng on a Committee is not a problem
Be advised
 

but it was a problem for you.

[Ulic]

2 hours ago, prk888 said:

I was advised categorically (including Land Office and Immigration Officer) that i did not need a work permit to act as the JPM.

I signed 2 "debt free" letters in 14 months.

A sociopathic 'enemy' got his Thai wife to report me to Immigration

I/we had a peppercorn fine imposed but spent an uncomfortable day at Court.

A fararng on a Committee is not a problem

Be advised

 

What is a peppercorn fine ?

[thairookie]

2 hours ago, johng said:

 

but it was a problem for you.

 

 

He wasn't just part of the committee.  He was the chairman.

[thairookie]

What about visa status ?  At least a long term visa, I supposed.

[johng]

 

He wasn't just part of the committee.  He was the chairman.

Ahh ok I see ...so being chairman of the comittee results in a day at court and peppercorn fine but being part of the comittee is ok :D

[thairookie]

1 minute ago, johng said:

Ahh ok I see ...so being chairman of the comittee results in a day at court and peppercorn fine but being part of the comittee is ok :D

The chairman is the person who signs on all documents pertaining to the juristic person, especially debt free certificates.

[johng]

The chairman is the person who signs on all documents pertaining to the juristic person, especially debt free certificates.

so does he need a work permit for signing documents ?

[wpcoe]

31 minutes ago, Ulic said:

What is a peppercorn fine ?

Again, what the heck is a peppercorn fine?  

[pipeflaw]

I am both Chairman of the Committee and the Manager of the Juristic Person.  Our attorneys have advised us that I don't need a work permit for either position since I receive no compensation or other consideration for the work I do.  They also say that the work is in the nature of community service or volunteer work, neither of which require a work permit.  Developers still owning units have threatened to have me arrested for over a year on this because I insist on running the condo above board and transparently but nothing has ever happened.

[thairookie]

5 minutes ago, pipeflaw said:

I am both Chairman of the Committee and the Manager of the Juristic Person.  Our attorneys have advised us that I don't need a work permit for either position since I receive no compensation or other consideration for the work I do.  They also say that the work is in the nature of community service or volunteer work, neither of which require a work permit.  Developers still owning units have threatened to have me arrested for over a year on this because I insist on running the condo above board and transparently but nothing has ever happened.

My juristic chairman and manager receives a salary for the part time work as juristic manager.

[BruceMangosteen]

5 minutes ago, pipeflaw said:

They also say that the work is in the nature of community service or volunteer work, neither of which require a work permit.  

Both require a Work Permit. Not sure why lawyers would tell you different. Thai people can file complaints against farangs resulting in an arrest. Specific examples are in instances where the Juristic person caused trouble when a Thai person lied on a property transfer in order to get a commission. 

[thairookie]

btw, is it possible for the juristic person to operate a 7 Eleven ?  Since we are in a Soi and not on the main road, it's unlikely that 7 Eleven or FamilyMart would consider opening a store at our condo as a business option.  

 

I wonder if the juristic person can sponsor or operate a convenience store as a business concern.  

[skatewash]

2 hours ago, wpcoe said:

Again, what the heck is a peppercorn fine?  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppercorn_(legal)

[KittenKong]

2 hours ago, thairookie said:

The chairman is the person who signs on all documents pertaining to the juristic person, especially debt free certificates.

 

That's the Juristic Person Manager's job. The Chairman is not really very different to any other committee member as what he does is dictated (or should be dictated) by the majority vote of the entire committee. In case of a hung committee vote he has a casting vote. If he is outvoted he has no extra say. The Chairman is basically a figurehead.

[KittenKong]

2 hours ago, wpcoe said:

Again, what the heck is a peppercorn fine?  

 

A token amount. Comes from peppercorn rent.

[KittenKong]

1 hour ago, BruceMangosteen said:

Both require a Work Permit. Not sure why lawyers would tell you different.

 

That's right. Thai law is sufficiently vague that even picking your own nose without a work permit could be considered illegal, if some Thai nose-picker complained that he had suffered as a result.

[KittenKong]

2 hours ago, thairookie said:

My juristic chairman and manager receives a salary for the part time work as juristic manager.

 

Chairman/committee member is an unpaid advisory position. Your JPM is presumably paid for being JPM, not for being chairman. He just happens to be doing both jobs, which is not a very good idea in my opinion: the more people doing the different jobs the less scope there is for dishonesty, at least in theory.

[prk888]

32 minutes ago, skatewash said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppercorn_(legal)

thank you skatewash - answered his question perfectly as i wasn't going to bother

[Peterw42]

Woudnt it be better to get work permit information from the ministry of labor, rather than the land office or immigration office.

[prk888]

Just now, Peterw42 said:

Woudnt it be better to get work permit information from the ministry of labor, rather than the land office or immigration office.

 

ahhhhhhhhh ! Hindsight.  But whatever was said by them would that still be correct i wonder ?

[Peterw42]

1 minute ago, prk888 said:

 

ahhhhhhhhh ! Hindsight.  But whatever was said by them would that still be correct i wonder ?

I would imagine more correct than land and immigration office as neither issue work permits.

[wpcoe]

3 hours ago, skatewash said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppercorn_(legal)

Thanks.  I figured it was some British term, but googling turned up nothing relevant.

 

2 hours ago, prk888 said:

thank you skatewash - answered his question perfectly as i wasn't going to bother

How very noble of you.  

[jacko45k]

10 hours ago, Ulic said:

What is a peppercorn fine ?

A very small amount, which suggests  he was punished for being 'guilty' of something.

[Inquisitorial]

Our Complex has two Fararngs on the committee though our Chairperson is Thai.  Does not seem to be a problem.

[ericthai]

11 hours ago, pipeflaw said:

I am both Chairman of the Committee and the Manager of the Juristic Person.  Our attorneys have advised us that I don't need a work permit for either position since I receive no compensation or other consideration for the work I do.  They also say that the work is in the nature of community service or volunteer work, neither of which require a work permit.  Developers still owning units have threatened to have me arrested for over a year on this because I insist on running the condo above board and transparently but nothing has ever happened.

actually you do need a work permit for volunteer work, and if you get paid or compensated has nothing to do with it. 

[thairookie]

5 hours ago, ericthai said:

actually you do need a work permit for volunteer work, and if you get paid or compensated has nothing to do with it. 

Can you trust Thai attorneys?

 

The moment they say it's legal to register a company with Thai nominees to own and control land, I lose confidence in them.

 

Thai attorneys are not required to purchase professional indemnity insurance.

[tontraveller]

6 hours ago, ericthai said:

actually you do need a work permit for volunteer work, and if you get paid or compensated has nothing to do with it. 

No  You dont need work permit sitting on the condo committee..

Condo management needs only to register committee members at the Landoffice and that is completely legal.

I have been on it in my condo, and before that it has been checked with Landoffice and Immigration..

 

 

[SaintLouisBlues]

2 minutes ago, tontraveller said:

No  You dont need work permit sitting on the condo committee..

Unless you're playing bridge I seem to recall.