ilostmypassword Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 14 hours ago, cnx101 said: I wonder if their families were blown up in a terrorist attack would these idiots be protesting against Trump then. Because the threat of such a thing happening is huge? Maybe we should start building meteorite shelters, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timendres Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 16 hours ago, dunroaming said: Judging by the news coverage, videos and photographs of the demonstrators you are clearly on another planet to the rest of us. It is easy to bury your head in the sand and stick your fingers in your ears but eventually you will have to acknowledge the growing rebellion by the world against this stupid moronic man child and his hate agenda. As it is America is in serious danger is imploding and he is the cause. Trump does not have an agenda of hate. Unlike every president in recent memory, he is acting on the promises he made to get elected. Whether you agree with his policies or not (which, presumably, is how you voted), is another matter. America is not going to implode because of Donald Trump. If it does implode, it will be because of the unholy alliance between Congress and the Federal Reserve, which will bury us under an unmanageable mountain of debt. Presidents come and go. Congress is the real monster in the closet. That said, Mr. Trump will take these actions as promised. Then they will be sorted by agencies and Congress, and much of what he has done will be nothing but empty gestures. But gestures none-the-less. What he has succeeded in doing is putting the political elites on notice! He has clearly demonstrated that he is not going to "play ball" with the miserable excuse for politicians that we have endured for decades. He is going to shake things up, and I for one think it is long overdue. I don't have high expectations for Mr. Trump. But I do hope he can make a few changes for the better, and avoid making large mistakes. Only time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attrayant Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 16 minutes ago, timendres said: Trump does not have an agenda of hate. Unlike every president in recent memory, he is acting on the promises he made to get elected. Which were hateful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opl Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 (edited) Bannon Is Drafting The Executive Orders & Using Putin's Playbook. Trump's Just The Signing Hand "Bannon needs to be under a constant microscope and his role needs to be in the forefront because he is using Putin’s methods of propaganda.. He is forging a civilian shock troop ready to commit violence and accept atrocities." " The orders have come so quickly, and from seemingly out of nowhere, that aides sometimes aren’t even sure which actions Trump will sign until they cross his desk. “He was determined to show people that he’s getting to work from Day One,” a source told Politico. " http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/1/26/1625465/-Bannon-Is-Drafting-The-Executive-Orders-Using-Putin-s-Playbook-Trump-s-Just-The-Signing-Hand "State Department dissent memo: ‘We are better than this ban’ This Ban Does Not Achieve Its Aims--And Will Likely Be Counterproductive " This memo is pointing out, besides the unconstitutional nature and ineffectiveness of the Travel Ban executive order taken by Trump, its various misdeeds (including economic), and recommending other methods to contain the terrorist risk. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/01/30/state-department-dissent-memo-we-are-better-than-this-ban/?utm_term=.9f86c770632b " The memo argues that the executive order is poorly conceived and poorly drafted and that its implementation will damage U.S. relationships with Muslim countries, U.S. standing in the Muslim world and the U.S. fight against terrorism and radicalization both at home and abroad" https://www.washingtonpost.com/r/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2017/01/30/Editorial-Opinion/Graphics/Draft_Dissent_on_EOSec3.pdf Edited January 31, 2017 by Opl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Yes, ideally we are better than this ban, but tragically the demagogue 45 was elected president, so the world is thinking quite correctly, actually dudes -- YOU ARE NOT! Another reason the anti-45 movement is important to keep going, which of course it will as long as 45 tweets as POTUS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alocacoc Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 18 hours ago, Jingthing said: He's making Americans LESS SAFE, creating MORE terrorists, not to mention the situation of Americans abroad being made LESS SAFE as well. How is he creating more terrorists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintLouisBlues Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 4 minutes ago, Jingthing said: Yes, ideally we are better than this ban, but tragically the demagogue 45 was elected president, so the world is thinking quite correctly, actually dudes -- YOU ARE NOT! Another reason the anti-45 movement is important to keep going, which of course it will as long as 45 tweets as POTUS. Four more years then. Excellent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 4 minutes ago, alocacoc said: How is he creating more terrorists? Ask the ISIS leaders. They're celebrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alocacoc Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Just now, Jingthing said: Ask the ISIS leaders. They're celebrating. Ah, you speak about real Muslims. Well, then you agree they are a threat. Give Trump a chance. So far he did a great job. That's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkg Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 19 hours ago, dunroaming said: Took my wife five years to get a residents visa and the right to apply for UK citizenship. She declined that as she is happy to remain a Thai citizen. Thai's and filipinos have a hard time getting accepted in the UK because of historic and sometimes current problems and issues. Is the system biased and unfair? Yes it is. Does it have anything to do with tens of thousands of US cities protesting about Trumps actions? Nothing whatsoever. However might be worth reminding everyone that it is not tens of thousands of people but tens of thousands of cities which will probably mean millions of people. How did you work that out? There aren't "tens of thousands of cities" in the USA or any other country in the world. https://www.statista.com/statistics/241695/number-of-us-cities-towns-villages-by-population-size/ The article states "Tens of thousands in U.S. cities", not "Tens of thousands of U.S. cities". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 26 minutes ago, alocacoc said: How is he creating more terrorists? Read this thread...he's creating a huge mess and pitting one person against the other. Terrible thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 (edited) 41 minutes ago, craigt3365 said: Read this thread...he's creating a huge mess and pitting one person against the other. Terrible thing to do. Yep, and it's hardly only leftists and liberals that understand this. Many conservative, more normal right wingers get it too. trump defies such labels. He's a dangerous, destructive, authoritarian populist demagogue. We've seen them throughout history from different political spectrums. Bottom line, such leaders are POISON. Edited January 31, 2017 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintLouisBlues Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Jingthing said: Yep, and it's hardly only leftists and liberals that understand this. Many conservative, more normal right wingers get it too. trump defies such labels. He's a dangerous, destructive, authoritarian populist demagogue. We've seen them throughout history from different political spectrums. Bottom line, such leaders are POISON. Meanwhile, in 2020, Trump will be standing for re-election - http://www.sportsbettingexperts.com/political-betting-2020-us-presidential-election-betting-odds/ Edited January 31, 2017 by SaintLouisBlues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thai3 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 it's not a Muslim ban it's a terrorist ban and the country list was drawn up by Obama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintLouisBlues Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 2 minutes ago, thai3 said: it's not a Muslim ban it's a terrorist ban and the country list was drawn up by Obama It's one of the more delicious ironies of this whole saga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 7 minutes ago, SaintLouisBlues said: Meanwhile, in 2020, Trump will be standing for re-election - http://www.sportsbettingexperts.com/political-betting-2020-us-presidential-election-betting-odds/ That's not the read odds. Here's the real thing: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/01/trump-impeachment-odds-betting-site Quote As Donald Trump Becomes President, Bookies Bet Big on Impeachment "Completely one-way traffic in betting." That's according to the online betting site Paddy Power, which has placed the odds of Trump failing to complete his first term at 7 to 4. The odds of Trump getting impeached in the first six months stand at 4 to 1. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-impeachment-odds-inauguration-halved-bookies-latest-money-president-a7535696.html With a current 36% approval rating, and falling, he'll never get re-elected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintLouisBlues Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Just now, craigt3365 said: With a current 36% approval rating, and falling, he'll never get re-elected. I said he'll be standing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaihome Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 20 minutes ago, thai3 said: it's not a Muslim ban it's a terrorist ban and the country list was drawn up by Obama This just not true and is being repeated again and again in the hope that the facts will be ignored and it will become an "alternative fact". TH US Department Of State: Travelers From Countries Identified Under The Visa Waiver Program Improvement And Terrorist Travel Prevention Act Of 2015 Are Not Eligible For The Visa Waiver Program, But Can Still Obtain A Visa. According to State.gov, the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 only restricted foreign nationals from listed countries as “no longer eligible” to enter the United States “under the Visa Waiver Program,” but stipulated that “These individuals will still be able to apply for a visa using the regular appointment process at a U.S. Embassy or Consulate”: https://mediamatters.org/research/2017/01/30/right-wing-media-wrongly-cite-obama-justify-trump-s-muslim-ban/215180 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USPatriot Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Under 8 U.S.C. 1182, a president has authority to suspend the entry of “any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States [who] would be detrimental to the interests of the United States,” for however long he deems necessary. This was included in a 1952 statute. it's the law like it or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 2 minutes ago, USPatriot said: Under 8 U.S.C. 1182, a president has authority to suspend the entry of “any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States [who] would be detrimental to the interests of the United States,” for however long he deems necessary. This was included in a 1952 statute. it's the law like it or not And who determines who would be detrimental to the interests of the United States? Just the president? I don't think so. Thus, the lawsuits and ruling by the acting AG. FLASH! Trump just fired the acting AG. Wow. Fast becoming a dictatorship. http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/30/politics/donald-trump-immigration-order-department-of-justice/index.html Quote Trump fires acting AG after she declines to defend travel ban Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaihome Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 10 minutes ago, USPatriot said: Under 8 U.S.C. 1182, a president has authority to suspend the entry of “any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States [who] would be detrimental to the interests of the United States,” for however long he deems necessary. This was included in a 1952 statute. it's the law like it or not But there is also a law that says you cannot discriminate based on religion, nationality, or place of birth. It's the law, like it or not TH U.S. Code § 1152 (1)Nondiscrimination (A) Except as specifically provided in paragraph (2) and in sections 1101(a)(27), 1151(b)(2)(A)(i), and 1153 of this title, no person shall receive any preference or priority or be discriminated against in the issuance of an immigrant visa because of the person’s race, sex, nationality, place of birth, or place of residence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USPatriot Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Under 8 U.S.C. 1182, a president has authority to suspend the entry of “any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States [who] would be detrimental to the interests of the United States,” for however long he deems necessary. This was included in a 1952 statute. it's the law like it or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andaman Al Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 ^^^ Now all you American Christians what was it Jesus said "Father Forgive them for they no not what they do". Trump - Taking the Great out of America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USPatriot Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 I have an idea that will make everyone happy Let Calexit go through ship all of the people from banned countries there. After all its the 6th largest economy in the world. And let lala land implode Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andaman Al Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 49 minutes ago, USPatriot said: I have an idea that will make everyone happy Let Calexit go through ship all of the people from banned countries there. After all its the 6th largest economy in the world. And let lala land implode There is nobody asking anyone to take limitless amounts of refugees anywhere, nor was the US doing so. You seem to have forgotten exactly what made your economy great. I find your moniker a bit of an oxymoron for you. You are doing nothing to defend your constitution (no doubt you quote it when it comes to guns and how it is your constitutional right), you are letting it be torn up in front of your eyes. Not very patriotic is it. People like Trump are the exact reason the founding Fathers gave you a right to bear arms. It's about time you dusted them off and point them at the enemy within. Now THIS is a patriot. Watch if you dare, then take a few moments for some self reflection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 I have an idea that will make everyone happy Let Calexit go through ship all of the people from banned countries there. After all its the 6th largest economy in the world. And let lala land implode Need to ban Alabamans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nisakiman Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, SaintLouisBlues said: It's one of the more delicious ironies of this whole saga Not only that, but here's a clip from a speech by Bill Clinton: Trump is just being more proactive. Edited January 31, 2017 by nisakiman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attrayant Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 5 hours ago, SaintLouisBlues said: It's one of the more delicious ironies of this whole saga Depending on how one defines "delicious". From Kevin Drum: Quote According to Giuliani, the "right way to do it legally" [read: find something that was effectively a Muslim ban without explicitly mentioning Muslims] was to focus on "areas of the world that create danger for us." There are several plausible possibilities here. The most obvious one is to ban entry from residents of countries that have been designated as state sponsors of terrorism. However, that includes only three countries (Iran, Sudan, Syria). Alternatively, the State Department has a list of terrorist safe havens. But this includes places like Egypt, Pakistan, the Philippines, Colombia, Malaysia, and Lebanon, which the Trump administration apparently didn't want to include. Another possibility is countries that have been the site of major terrorist attacks. However, according to the Global Terrorism Database, in 2014-15 this included several majority-Christian countries (Nigeria, Ukraine, Kenya), several US allies (Egypt, Turkey, Pakistan) and excluded several countries that Trump has specifically called out (Iran, Libya). After exhausting these obvious possibilities, Giuliani's team finally dug up the far-from-obvious list of places that have been designated as "countries of concern"under the Visa Waiver Act. Conveniently, this includes seven countries that are collectively 97 percent Muslim, but none of which are sensitive US allies. Embarrassingly, nobody from the seven countries covered by the visa waiver act has been responsible for any terrorist fatalities in the United States. Conversely, residents and former residents of several countries not on the list (Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Russia) have been responsible for fatal terrorist attacks, yet they're not included in the entry ban. So yeah, Trump & Co. dug and scraped many bottoms of many barrels until they could find a way to bar Muslims with the thinnest veneer of plausible deniability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slip Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 7 minutes ago, attrayant said: Depending on how one defines "delicious". From Kevin Drum: Embarrassingly, nobody from the seven countries covered by the visa waiver act has been responsible for any terrorist fatalities in the United States. Conversely, residents and former residents of several countries not on the list (Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Russia) have been responsible for fatal terrorist attacks, yet they're not included in the entry ban. So yeah, Trump & Co. dug and scraped many bottoms of many barrels until they could find a way to bar Muslims with the thinnest veneer of plausible deniability. Sniff test failed in a massively public manner. Oops. Well at least it's the first time this has happened since the grand 'loompa took control of the sweet factory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USPatriot Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 On 30/01/2017 at 6:33 PM, craigt3365 said: Terrorists are not the #1 problem in the US right now. Many other things are. Hopefully, Trump will do a better job focusing on them rather than this minor problem. It was a populist speech that resonated with a minority of the US. Luckily, it was a minority. So why bring the problem in. France Germany and Sweden is all of the proof is need to know Trump is right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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