webfact Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Trump fires top government lawyer for defiance on immigration order By Julia Edwards Ainsley and Dan Levine REUTERS FILE PHOTO - U.S. Deputy Attorney General Sally Quillian Yates testifies during a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on "Going Dark: Encryption, Technology, and the Balance Between Public Safety and Privacy" in Washington July 8, 2015. REUTERS/Kevin Lamarque/File Photo WASHINGTON/SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump fired the federal government's top lawyer Sally Yates on Monday after she took the extraordinarily rare step of defying the White House and saying the Justice Department would not defend his new travel restrictions targeting seven Muslim-majority nations. The White House said on Twitter that Dana Boente, U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia, would replace Yates, an appointee of former Democratic President Barack Obama, as acting U.S. attorney general. Yates on Monday told Justice Department lawyers in a letter that they would not defend in court Trump's directive that put a 120-day hold on allowing refugees into the country, an indefinite ban on refugees from Syria and a 90-day bar on citizens from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen. Yates said she did not believe defending the order would be "consistent with this institution's solemn obligation to always seek justice and stand for what is right." Trump has argued tougher vetting of immigrants is needed to protect America from terror attacks but critics complain that his order unfairly singles out Muslims and defiles America's historic reputation as a welcoming place for immigrants. Yates was days away from being replaced by Trump's pick for the top spot at the Justice Department, Republican Senator Jeff Sessions, who is awaiting Senate confirmation. The White House dismissed her comments as rhetoric and said Trump acted within his presidential powers. "I think that's a further demonstration of how politicized our legal system has become," said Stephen Miller, a policy adviser to Trump, in an interview on MSNBC. There have been only a handful of instances in U.S. history of top Justice Department officials publicly breaking with the White House. The most famous example was in 1973, when then-Attorney General Elliot Richardson resigned rather than obey President Richard Nixon’s order to fire a special prosecutor investigating the Watergate scandal. (Additional reporting by Dan Levine in San Francisco, Doina Chiacu, Arshad Mohammed, Susan Heavey, Mark Hosenball and Patricia Zengerle in Washington, Jonathan Allen in New York, Brian Snyder in Boston, and Sharon Bernstein in Sacramento; Writing by Roberta Rampton and Alistair Bell; Editing by Bernadette Baum and Bill Rigby) -- © Copyright Reuters 2017-01-31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banana7 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 (edited) Wonderful! She should have been fired during the Obama administration, a long time ago. Trump has guts to get the job done and make sure people are doing their job. Edited January 31, 2017 by Banana7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphod reborn Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 7 minutes ago, Banana7 said: Wonderful! She should have been fired during the Obama administration, a long time ago. Trump has guts to get the job done and make sure people are doing their job. The 120 day immigration ban is obviously unconstitutional, because the President can't use an executive order to change an act of Congress (that being the 1965 law that set immigration quotas). Obama did it, but no one ever took his immigration orders to court. If Trump paid any heed to his advisers, he would push the legislation through Congress. However, he knows that the backlash would bring down the Republican house majority in the mid-term elections. Instead, he is going to waste time, a tremendous amount of money and judicial resources defending an indefensibly unconstitutional executive order. Sorry, the guy is an idiot and unfit for office. He didn't listen to his advisers who told him the executive order would cause tremendous panic and hysteria because it wasn't properly vetted, and ultimately it would be completely voided by the courts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaywardWind Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 20 minutes ago, Banana7 said: Wonderful! She should have been fired during the Obama administration, a long time ago. Trump has guts to get the job done and make sure people are doing their job. Her role was to exercise legal judgement on behalf of the United States in line with the existing law and the Constitution - not bend to the will of any other other individual, and that includes the president of the US. Nixon tried this in 1974 and it was the final straw which led to his resignation in the face of an impending impeachment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banana7 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 10 minutes ago, zaphod reborn said: The 120 day immigration ban is obviously unconstitutional, because the President can't use an executive order to change an act of Congress (that being the 1965 law that set immigration quotas). Obama did it, but no one ever took his immigration orders to court. If Trump paid any heed to his advisers, he would push the legislation through Congress. However, he knows that the backlash would bring down the Republican house majority in the mid-term elections. Instead, he is going to waste time, a tremendous amount of money and judicial resources defending an indefensibly unconstitutional executive order. Sorry, the guy is an idiot and unfit for office. He didn't listen to his advisers who told him the executive order would cause tremendous panic and hysteria because it wasn't properly vetted, and ultimately it would be completely voided by the courts. You're absolutely wrong. She did not do her job. She doesn't get to decide which laws are upheld or not to uphold, it's not her choice. The President has the authority to direct her to uphold the law. Her dismissal was approved by counsel of the Department of Justice, completely legal and with cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maewang99 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Trump is nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langsuan Man Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Saturday Night Massacre on a Monday Quote On Oct. 20, 1973, in the so-called “Saturday Night Massacre,” President Richard M. Nixon abolished the office of special Watergate prosecutor Archibald Cox, and accepted the resignation of Attorney General Elliot L. Richardson and fired Deputy Attorney General William B. Ruckelshaus for their refusal to fire Mr. Cox. The president took the action to prevent Mr. Cox from obtaining audiotapes of White House conversations implicating Mr. Nixon in the attempted cover-up of the Watergate break-in (in 1972, five Nixon campaigners were caught trying to place recording devices inside Democratic Party headquarters at the Watergate complex). Solicitor General Robert Bork, the acting attorney general, followed the president’s order to fire Mr. Cox. These actions enraged the public and many in Congress. The Oct. 21 New York Times wrote: “The president’s dramatic action edged the nation closer to the constitutional confrontation he said he was trying to avoid. Senior members of both parties in the House of Representatives were reported to seriously discuss impeaching the president.” The president was unable to stop the Watergate investigation, however. The new special prosecutor, Leon Jaworski, continued Mr. Cox’s work and forced the president to hand over the tapes in July 1974. Although 18 minutes of audio had been curiously edited out, the tapes did include a conversation in which Mr. Nixon suggested the C.I.A. shut down the F.B.I. investigation of the break-in. The so-called “Smoking Gun” tape was the final straw for Mr. Nixon, who resigned on Aug. 8. source: https://learning.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/20/oct-20-1973-pnixon-tries-to-stop-investigation-with-saturday-night-massacre/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaywardWind Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 1 minute ago, Banana7 said: You're absolutely wrong. She did not do her job. She doesn't get to decide which laws are upheld or not to uphold, it's not her choice. The President has the authority to direct her to uphold the law. Her dismissal was approved by counsel of the Department of Justice, completely legal and with cause. No, he does not have the authority to direct what she does. Period. He does have the right to terminate her, but he cannot tell her how she has to rule while in office. He did terminate her, and I predict that he will pay a very heavy price for that. Recall that she has many, many supporters in both parties in Congress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banana7 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 5 minutes ago, WaywardWind said: Her role was to exercise legal judgement on behalf of the United States in line with the existing law and the Constitution - not bend to the will of any other other individual, and that includes the president of the US. Nixon tried this in 1974 and it was the final straw which led to his resignation in the face of an impending impeachment Unfortunately, her judgement wasn't good enough. The Order was approved by the Department of Justice and other legal advisor. It's not her decision to disobey a legal order. You'll see her replacement is far more competent and someone who will uphold the laws of the land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaywardWind Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 1 minute ago, Banana7 said: Unfortunately, her judgement wasn't good enough. The Order was approved by the Department of Justice and other legal advisor. It's not her decision to disobey a legal order. You'll see her replacement is far more competent and someone who will uphold the laws of the land. Do tell: who at the Department of Justice approved the executive order? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 So Trump is Nuts .Most constructive!!.What is he supposed to do ,just let these anochists run people into the ground Obama Style.Peace at any price is not what America was built onA few positive ideas from you Lefty posters would make a ChangeOf I was him I'd just piss another like Branson n enjoy my wealth[emoji3][emoji924][emoji481][emoji160]Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banana7 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 (edited) 23 minutes ago, WaywardWind said: No, he does not have the authority to direct what she does. Period. He does have the right to terminate her, but he cannot tell her how she has to rule while in office. He did terminate her, and I predict that he will pay a very heavy price for that. Recall that she has many, many supporters in both parties in Congress. Trump fired her based on results. She refused to produce results as he directed. Any and every employer has the right to fire an employee who doesn't produce the correct result. If you're my employee, a flower picker, I tell you to go out pick 10 red tulips, and you return and say I don't want to pick tulips because of (whatever)... - your fired. Nobody will stand-up for a insubordinate employee. Edited January 31, 2017 by Banana7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prbkk Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 An early impeachment looking ever more likely. 6 months and he'll be gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaywardWind Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Just now, Banana7 said: Trump fired her based on results. She refused to produce results as he directed. Any and every employer has the right to fire an employee who doesn't produce the correct result. If you're my employee, a flower picker, I tell you to go out pick 10 red tulips, and come say I don't want to pick tulips because of (whatever)... - your fired. Nobody will stand-up for a insubordinate employee. She is most definitely NOT his employee. You really need to read up on how the USG works. She is an independent officer of the government, sworn to uphold the Constitution and US law, not respond to directions from any other source. I am still waiting for the identity of the Department of Justice official who you claim approved Trump's order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaywardWind Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Prbkk said: An early impeachment looking ever more likely. 6 months and he'll be gone. You may be a bit optimistic. It took 10 months from the Saturday Night Massacre in October 1973 until Nixon resigned in August 1974. Perhaps Trump is looking to enter into the Guinness Book of World Records? Edited January 31, 2017 by WaywardWind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintLouisBlues Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 7 minutes ago, Prbkk said: An early impeachment looking ever more likely. 6 months and he'll be gone. The phrase "clutching at straws" springs to mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatOngo Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 American politics becoming as entertaining as Thai politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opl Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 (edited) Amazing Trumpland... Bannon Is Drafting The Executive Orders & Using Putin's Playbook. Trump's Just The Signing Hand "Bannon needs to be under a constant microscope and his role needs to be in the forefront because he is using Putin’s methods of propaganda.. He is forging a civilian shock troop ready to commit violence and accept atrocities." " The orders have come so quickly, and from seemingly out of nowhere, that aides sometimes aren’t even sure which actions Trump will sign until they cross his desk. “He was determined to show people that he’s getting to work from Day One,” a source told Politico. " http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/1/26/1625465/-Bannon-Is-Drafting-The-Executive-Orders-Using-Putin-s-Playbook-Trump-s-Just-The-Signing-Hand Edited January 31, 2017 by Opl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenslegs Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 4 minutes ago, PatOngo said: American politics becoming as entertaining as Thai politics. Only if your idea of entertainment is watching car crashes and disaster movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Just another weird and wacky day in that fantasy realm they call Trumplandia... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatOngo Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 2 minutes ago, chickenslegs said: Only if your idea of entertainment is watching car crashes and disaster movies. I had comedy in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaseTheBass Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 32 minutes ago, WaywardWind said: She is most definitely NOT his employee. You really need to read up on how the USG works. She is an independent officer of the government, sworn to uphold the Constitution and US law, not respond to directions from any other source. I am still waiting for the identity of the Department of Justice official who you claim approved Trump's order. Trumpites don't care about the truth, so you're probably wasting your time trying to educate the retarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
localczar Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Trump is on a major rip...this is damn fine entertainment...and cheap too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintLouisBlues Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Just now, localczar said: Trump is on a major rip...this is damn fine entertainment...and cheap too. Kicking back with the popcorn and soda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveAustin Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Just a (likely feminist) lefty loon trying to make a name for herself. Go Donald! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovelomsak Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 getting rid of a treasonist lawyer seems justifiable to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanuman2547 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 19 minutes ago, PatOngo said: American politics becoming as entertaining as Thai politics. American politics has sunk that low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opl Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, daveAustin said: Just a (likely feminist) lefty loon trying to make a name for herself. Go Donald! Cheer Bannon, not Trump " Bannon is intentionally using Trump’s mental instability and throwing out alternative facts to harden Trump’s core supporters. He’s also going to try and manufacture the illusion there’s a larger core of Trump supporters than actually exists." http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/1/26/1625465/-Bannon-Is-Drafting-The-Executive-Orders-Using-Putin-s-Playbook-Trump-s-Just-The-Signing-Hand Edited January 31, 2017 by Opl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 11 minutes ago, daveAustin said: Just a (likely feminist) lefty loon trying to make a name for herself. Go Donald! Yeah, right, the Attorney General of the USA needs to make a name for herself...sigh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaywardWind Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 18 minutes ago, lovelomsak said: getting rid of a treasonist lawyer seems justifiable to me Perhaps that is why she was the Acting Attorney General (at Trump's request I might add) and you are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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