Trump fires top government lawyer for defiance on immigration order

[Grouse]

3 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

The Intellectual Idiot class.

 

https://medium.com/incerto/the-intellectual-yet-idiot-13211e2d0577#.z4rqgl6j9

You are being ironic?

 

What precisely is your point?

[lannarebirth]

31 minutes ago, Grouse said:

You are being ironic?

 

What precisely is your point?

 

My point is, I never met a Brit yet, who had attended Grammar School, who within the first 5 minutes of meeting him he didn't tell you he had attended Grammar School.

[SaintLouisBlues]

Just now, lannarebirth said:

My point is, I never met a Brit yet, who had attended Grammar School, who within the first 5 minutes of meeting him he didn't tell you he had attended Grammar School.

Sample size? You've met 1, 2, 20, 200?

[lannarebirth]

1 minute ago, SaintLouisBlues said:

Sample size? You've met 1, 2, 20, 200?

 

More than 20, less than 200. I wasn't polling, only remarking on a mindset I have encountered.

[alanrchase]

 
More than 20, less than 200. I wasn't polling, only remarking on a mindset I have encountered.

In all my life I have never asked or been asked or felt the need reveal any educational background within five minutes of meeting someone. Possibly with the exception of a job interview.

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[lannarebirth]

Just now, alanrchase said:

 

In all my life I have never asked or been asked or felt the need reveal any educational background within five minutes of meeting someone. Possibly with the exception of a job interview.

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Me neither.

[alanrchase]

 
Me neither.

My point is I have never met anyone who insists on telling me their educational background within 5 minutes of meeting them.

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[lannarebirth]

1 minute ago, alanrchase said:

 

My point is I have never met anyone who insists on telling me their educational background within 5 minutes of meeting them.

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OK. I believe you.

[SaintLouisBlues]

32 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

More than 20, less than 200. I wasn't polling, only remarking on a mindset I have encountered.

So you've met somewhere between 20 and 200 Brits all of whom told you within 5 minutes of meeting that they attended a grammar school? That's because every Brit you've met told you what sort of school they attended and you've been able to determine that all the grammar school Brits mentioned that in the first 5 minutes whereas none of the others mentioned their schooling in the first 5 minutes? Or you've met more than 200 Brits but of the ones you've met all the ones who'd attended a grammar school (between 20 and 200) told you within 5 minutes of meeting that they attended a grammar school? Just trying to work out the basis of your assertion, not a scientific poll you understand

Edited February 1, 2017 by SaintLouisBlues

[NanLaew]

16 hours ago, JackThompson said:

A politician lied - no surprise there.   When you look at the effect, quantifiable by voting patterns, it should have been called, "The Importation of Poor, Handout-Seeking, Socialist Voters Act of 1965."   The costs have far outweighed the benefits.

That depends on where you live, the nationality of the bus boy in your favorite restaurant and who mows your lawns.

[ballpoint]

Arguments that she worked for the government of the US, and therefore had no right to refuse to follow the orders of the president, are ill-founded.  While it is a given that if you are hired/appointed by someone, you should be working for the betterment of their organisation/business/country by putting their policies into practice, there are limits. If instructed to do something that is immoral, unethical or downright illegal, no matter how much it will improve the organisation you work for, you are obliged to refuse to comply.  "I was only following orders" is, rather famously, not a valid defence.  As for the posts saying she should have resigned rather than being fired, that would depend on the circumstances.  If she didn't want to follow these orders because she thought they were lawful, but personally disagreed with them, then yes, she should have resigned, however, it seems that she didn't want to follow the orders because she thought they were illegal, or violated the constitution, therefore the path she took was the correct one.  Whether one agrees or disagrees with a policy has no bearing on the latter, as it then becomes a legal obligation rather than a personal choice.

[lannarebirth]

7 minutes ago, SaintLouisBlues said:

So you've met somewhere between 20 and 200 Brits all of whom told you within 5 minutes of meeting that they attended a grammar school? That's because every Brit you've met told you what sort of school they attended and you've been able to determine that all the grammar school Brits mentioned that in the first 5 minutes whereas none of the others mentioned their schooling in the first 5 minutes? Or you've met more than 200 Brits but of the ones you've met all the ones who'd attended a grammar school (between 20 and 200) told you within 5 minutes of meeting that they attended a grammar school? Just trying to work out the basis of your assertion, not a scientific poll you understand

I was commenting to a specific stupid post about who was qualified to lead, but now you're dragging us OT. BTW, I didn't say every Brit I'd ever met had told me that. I said that every Brit I ever met that had attended Grammar School felt the need to tell me that. Why, I don't know, but I've speculated.

[Scott]

Please stay on the topic.  

 

[JackThompson]

3 hours ago, NanLaew said:

That depends on where you live, the nationality of the bus boy in your favorite restaurant and who mows your lawns.

Undoubtedly, the wealthy wish to continue having access to imported, cheap labor for gardeners, nannies, maids, etc.  Meanwhile, millions of American Citizens languish without jobs, while many who are employed are paid depressed-wages resulting from the current labor-surplus, caused to a large extent by high immigration numbers - including refugees.  Those with survivable wages are saddled with taxes to pay for the refugees, who receive better benefits than unemployed citizens.

 

Clearly, this now-fired attorney did not accept the president's authority to execute the powers within his executive-order.  This would never have been an issue if the confirmation process for Jeff Sessions had not been delayed.  In the meantime, the current acting atty-general will enforce the exec-order.  The courts will sort out the details.

[NanLaew]

2 hours ago, JackThompson said:

Undoubtedly, the wealthy wish to continue having access to imported, cheap labor for gardeners, nannies, maids, etc.

Well I had a good Mexican mechanic, Costa Rican wait staff at my favorite eatery, a stunning Colombian interior designer who supervised a bunch of Honduran roofers and painters and a bunch of black guys doing my lawns and guess what?... I am far, far from wealthy.

 

Like the UK, some folk don't want to work while some immigrants do.

[JackThompson]

49 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Well I had a good Mexican mechanic, Costa Rican wait staff at my favorite eatery, a stunning Colombian interior designer who supervised a bunch of Honduran roofers and painters and a bunch of black guys doing my lawns and guess what?... I am far, far from wealthy.

 

Like the UK, some folk don't want to work while some immigrants do.

I am not claiming non-US-citizens are not capable of doing a good job - far from it.  But the salient fact is, the reason citizens stopped doing "those jobs," is because wages fell by 1/2 or more, as cheap imported labor became available.  The result, was that the economic-ladder out of poverty was destroyed.  With that, the belief in a market-based economy, composed of self-supporting families only requiring one paycheck to enjoy a middle-class life, was destroyed for an entire generation.  To them, the life I and others lived before, is regarded as a myth.

 

I watched friends and their families destroyed by this process.  People are angry, and have a reason to be angry, because their government stopped enforcing the laws that protected their ability to support themselves.  They were betrayed.  If you can afford to eat-out, hire an interior-designer, remodel your home (rather than loosing it, as they lost theirs) and pay others to do your yardwork (or even have a yard), you are living far better than any of those whose lives were driven into poverty by the policies known as "globalism."  They would consider you wealthy, even if you are not in the top 1%. 

 

They DO want to work - 40 Hours / wk - for the decent middle-class wages they earned before.  Many are unwilling to accept as "the new normal" a hand-to-mouth existence working several part-time jobs, requiring government-program handouts to make ends meet.  Their lives cannot be restored until the existing laws on immigration and employment are enforced, again, and the flow of immigration slowed to reflect the current marketplace with automation, etc.

Edited February 1, 2017 by JackThompson

[mrwebb8825]

On 1/31/2017 at 10:46 AM, WaywardWind said:

Do tell: who at the Department of Justice approved the executive order?

Let me help you out with that:

"

A Justice Department spokesman told The Huffington Post on Monday that that Office of Legal Counsel has traditionally answered the “narrow question” of whether executive orders are lawful on their face and properly drafted. The spokesman said that continues to be the case in the first 10 days of the Trump administration.

“OLC has continued to serve this traditional role in the present administration, and to date has approved the signed orders with respect to form and legality,” the spokesman said."

[JHolmesJr]

On 31 January, 2017 at 4:33 PM, SpeakeasyThai said:

Wish it was that simple. He's also very dangerous in an uncertain world. Hopefully he will he impeached or taken out of office one way or another very swiftly.

I find your post disturbing…..you seem to be advocating actions that can buy a person a long time in a maximum security prison.

[Srikcir]

On 1/31/2017 at 11:27 AM, Opl said:

Amazing Trumpland...  Bannon Is Drafting The Executive Orders & Using Putin's Playbook. Trump's Just The Signing Hand

 

"Bannon needs to be under a constant microscope and his role needs to be in the forefront because he is using Putin’s methods of propaganda.. He is forging a civilian shock troop ready to commit violence and accept atrocities."

 

" The orders have come so quickly, and from seemingly out of nowhere, that aides sometimes aren’t even sure which actions Trump will sign until they cross his desk. “He was determined to show people that he’s getting to work from Day One,” a source told Politico. "

 

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/1/26/1625465/-Bannon-Is-Drafting-The-Executive-Orders-Using-Putin-s-Playbook-Trump-s-Just-The-Signing-Hand

 

 

Bannon has described himself as a “Leninist” who wants to “destroy the state.”

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/01/stephen-bannon-national-security

And he has Trump in his pocket.

[Jingthing]

Something nihilistic about that Bannon dude.