nontabury Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 4 hours ago, RuamRudy said: Because you are comparing a party that stood across the whole of UK against a party that stood only in Scotland. Look at UKIP's woeful performance in Scotland - they got trounced in every single constituency. It's as simple as that. But that is not how our system of voting works. We have FPTP rather than PR which, ironically enough, the SNP supported. 4 hours ago, RuamRudy said: Because you are comparing a party that stood across the whole of UK against a party that stood only in Scotland. Look at UKIP's woeful performance in Scotland - they got trounced in every single constituency. It's as simple as that. But that is not how our system of voting works. We have FPTP rather than PR which, ironically enough, the SNP supported. You forgot to mention that 140,000 Scots voted for UKIP in the last European elections, obtaining 1 MEP, while the SNP received 390,000 gaining 3 seats.They managed to achieve this figure in -spite of the Nationalist rabble, as seen when Nigel Farage visited Edinburgh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuamRudy Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 25 minutes ago, nontabury said: You forgot to mention that 140,000 Scots voted for UKIP in the last European elections, obtaining 1 MEP, while the SNP received 390,000 gaining 3 seats.They managed to achieve this figure in -spite of the Nationalist rabble, as seen when Nigel Farage visited Edinburgh. It's true that Nigel has more friends south of the border. Here is a photo of him enjoying a drink with a more supportive fellow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpinx Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 4 hours ago, RuamRudy said: ..... I came a cross these while I was looking for something else -- just thought you might like to see why the SNP are not so "great"... http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-34015720 https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/sep/30/scotland-plugs-400m-funding-hole-after-pfi-projects-breach-eu-rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuamRudy Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 9 hours ago, jpinx said: I came a cross these while I was looking for something else -- just thought you might like to see why the SNP are not so "great"... http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-34015720 https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/sep/30/scotland-plugs-400m-funding-hole-after-pfi-projects-breach-eu-rules I keep saying that the SNP are no panacea, however if you want me to post some articles about the Tories' performance overall, I can do that for you - it definitely won't take me long to pull up some headlines that outstrip even the worst that the Express could write for NS. The difference is, whether you agree with their policies or not, the evidence suggest that the SNP is doing its best to support the middle and working classes, whereas even a blind man's dog can tell you that the Tories are up to their necks in corruption, legal and illegal, supporting theirs and their friends 'offshoring' of money whilst allowing the wages, terms and conditions of the working people in this country to be eroded daily to the betterment of Tory supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 (edited) 17 hours ago, RuamRudy said: It's true that Nigel has more friends south of the border. Here is a photo of him enjoying a drink with a more supportive fellow. Presumably one of the "low grade people" he doesn't have to deal with everyday now that he is no longer UKIP "leader". I understand that Murdoch has offered him a job on Fox "News" Please warn me before showing his evil face as he makes me want to vomit. Edited February 12, 2017 by Grouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 13 hours ago, jpinx said: I came a cross these while I was looking for something else -- just thought you might like to see why the SNP are not so "great"... http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-34015720 https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/sep/30/scotland-plugs-400m-funding-hole-after-pfi-projects-breach-eu-rules Yes, cause for concern. However, are saying that the EU are doing the correct thing? Sorry, I get confused as to who you consider the main villain these days..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Grouse said: Editor error yet again. Is it just from iPhones? Keep getting earlier text reinserted resulting in multiple posts which then can not be deleted Edited February 12, 2017 by Grouse System error Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintLouisBlues Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 4 hours ago, RuamRudy said: I keep saying that the SNP are no panacea, however if you want me to post some articles about the Tories' performance overall, I can do that for you - it definitely won't take me long to pull up some headlines that outstrip even the worst that the Express could write for NS. The difference is, whether you agree with their policies or not, the evidence suggest that the SNP is doing its best to support the middle and working classes, whereas even a blind man's dog can tell you that the Tories are up to their necks in corruption, legal and illegal, supporting theirs and their friends 'offshoring' of money whilst allowing the wages, terms and conditions of the working people in this country to be eroded daily to the betterment of Tory supporters. What a fabulous rant. However, I've always thought up until now that a "blind man's dog" was also known as a "seeing eye dog" because the blind man can't see so the dog "sees" for him. That would mean that a blind man's dog would be more likely to see something than a non-blind man's dog, which makes the use of the word "even" rather orotund. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jai Dee Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 A number of off-topic troll posts and replies have been removed from this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7by7 Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 8 hours ago, RuamRudy said: I keep saying that the SNP are no panacea, however if you want me to post some articles about the Tories' performance overall, I can do that for you - it definitely won't take me long to pull up some headlines that outstrip even the worst that the Express could write for NS. The difference is, whether you agree with their policies or not, the evidence suggest that the SNP is doing its best to support the middle and working classes, whereas even a blind man's dog can tell you that the Tories are up to their necks in corruption, legal and illegal, supporting theirs and their friends 'offshoring' of money whilst allowing the wages, terms and conditions of the working people in this country to be eroded daily to the betterment of Tory supporters. Here ends a party political broadcast on behalf of the Socialist Workers party! Go on, then; provide your evidence that "the Tories are up to their necks in corruption, legal and illegal, supporting theirs and their friends 'offshoring' of money whilst allowing the wages, terms and conditions of the working people in this country to be eroded daily to the betterment of Tory supporters." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpinx Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 35 minutes ago, 7by7 said: .....................the Tories are up to their necks in corruption, legal and illegal, supporting theirs and their friends 'offshoring' of money whilst allowing the wages, terms and conditions of the working people in this country to be eroded daily to the betterment of Tory supporters.. Many folks would agree with you... And not just the UK tories, but the right wing elite across EUrope and around the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William C F Pierce Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 This is like saying the the USA cannot be independent without the voting approval of parliament. If Scotland left, Northern Ireland would be next, because they have benefited the most from the EU in the UK. Leaving just a Little Britain of England and Wales. If it is proven correct that Nigel Fararge and UKIP illegally spent money from Europe on the Referendum Campaign then the courts can declare the result of the referendum void. The same as when MPs or local councillors contravene the financial rules of an election. The referendum will have to be re-run, regardless of what the outcome would be. A Little Britain of England and Wales would see the pound become less than 50 pence to a dollar. At one time 70 years ago it was $4 to a £1. This is the price of turning the UK into a third world country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7by7 Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 1 hour ago, jpinx said: 1 hour ago, 7by7 said: .............the Tories are up to their necks in corruption, legal and illegal, supporting theirs and their friends 'offshoring' of money whilst allowing the wages, terms and conditions of the working people in this country to be eroded daily to the betterment of Tory supporters.......... Many folks would agree with you... And not just the UK tories, but the right wing elite across EUrope and around the world. It wasn't me who said that: I was quoting RuamRudy and asked him for evidence of this claim! If you agree with him, maybe you can provide evidence? BTW, I have never voted Tory in my life; but do believe that if people claim any political party or government is guilty of corruption etc., then they should least produce some evidence to back up their claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nontabury Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 13 minutes ago, William C F Pierce said: This is like saying the the USA cannot be independent without the voting approval of parliament. If Scotland left, Northern Ireland would be next, because they have benefited the most from the EU in the UK. Leaving just a Little Britain of England and Wales. If it is proven correct that Nigel Fararge and UKIP illegally spent money from Europe on the Referendum Campaign then the courts can declare the result of the referendum void. The same as when MPs or local councillors contravene the financial rules of an election. The referendum will have to be re-run, regardless of what the outcome would be. A Little Britain of England and Wales would see the pound become less than 50 pence to a dollar. At one time 70 years ago it was $4 to a £1. This is the price of turning the UK into a third world country. Absolute rubbish. As for trying to cheat the referendum vote. Many postal votes went missing, others as in all elections in some constituencies,were questionable. How much public money did Cameron spend on the Pro-propagander leaflets.Extension of registration deadline by 48 hrs,after the web-site reportedly crashed for 90mins. Which was estimated to increase the Remoaners vote by 10's of thousands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William C F Pierce Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 On 12/02/2017 at 1:09 PM, nontabury said: Absolute rubbish. As for trying to cheat the referendum vote. Many postal votes went missing, others as in all elections in some constituencies,were questionable. How much public money did Cameron spend on the Pro-propagander leaflets.Extension of registration deadline by 48 hrs,after the web-site reportedly crashed for 90mins. Which was estimated to increase the Remoaners vote by 10's of thousands. What Cameron spent was legal. Fararge took money from Europe to spend on election he was not entitled to. What you are entitled to spend in an election is governed by the law of the land. Flout it and an election can be declared void according to the law in a court of law. It is your pub politics that is rubbish you clearly don't understand the ins and outs of our political system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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