Tony125 Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 5 hours ago, Dave66 said: doesnt anyone think there is a bit more to it, you dont just fall of a bike going straight or minor bend he was already half off the bike as he went past that car and looked like he was already unconscious . To all the TV forensic specialists take a look at the video again you will see that the handle bars of the bike are riding along the railing and thats why the bike keeps going along after he has fallen over the rail. Once his front tire or handles caught the curb or rail he would have no control. You saw the bike shaking violently before he went over due to the bike hung up on curb and railing. Had similar happen to me on regular bicycle when got to close to a curb and pedals hit curb and tossed me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereinthailand Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Very sad situation and sorry for the family but I have to ask the question why didnt he sell the bike to pay for medical treatment ? A 1200cc bike should bring a good price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14Stevie Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Having previously viewed comments from friends of the accident victim my heartfelt sympathies go to you all as you have had to view the footage. No one wants to see friends lose their life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirasan Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 4 hours ago, bramds said: So you are the expert now? It was in fact a Yamaha XJR 1200. I knew the guy and I knew the bike. Sorry for your loss man, I hope you're travelling ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCC1701A Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Hereinthailand said: Very sad situation and sorry for the family but I have to ask the question why didnt he sell the bike to pay for medical treatment ? A 1200cc bike should bring a good price. I think sometimes men just try to power through the rough spots in life or go into denial. Selling that bike would have meant coming to grips with a life changing situation. I have a Kawasaki 650 that one day I will be too old too ride. Holding up a 1200 cc bike is not that easy. The guy had a problem with his leg. Any combination of things can happen. A strong gust of wind, oil spot and water, gravel, sand, lost of concentration or distraction, mechanical malfunction, crazy Thai drivers. I don't think it is suicide. RIP fellow biker. Edited February 27, 2017 by NCC1701A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevemercer Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 A tragic loss. I, for one, will now be more careful on my bike when tackling those curving elevated ramps. It's easy to get a tank slapper if your front tyre hits the edge like that and a tank slapper can throw you off quick smart. It doesn't matter what size bike you're on (400 cc or 1200 cc). Just watch motorbike racing - it happens all the time even with a steering damper - but it is the worse luck to occur where it did in this case. Best wishes to Christian's family and friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marinediscoking Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 I've been riding street bikes for over twenty years. From the video there is no way to determine how or why he went into the wall. We would need a dash cam from the car behind to know what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley78 Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 I am the first to agree you should have ample funds saved or a good private health insurance when living abroad. BUT in this case he apparently did have Thai Social Security which covered healthcare. Most likely he had tried to get his leg problem treated with oral antibiotics from his local hospital but despite a long course of treatment it had gotten worse rather than better. I think it is very unfair to judge him based on this. On the opposite it seems he did have some cover, did try to get his problem sorted, and at the most might have waited too long for the antibiotics to work before seeking another opinion. That is a mistake or simply bad luck which can happen to any of us. Rich or poor. Rest in peace and my condolences to his family and friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notowork Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 6 hours ago, eisfeld said: RIP Mr Melzer. Once the tire of his bike touched the foot of the wall, it was game over in terms of control. Dave66: the footage doesn't cover the initial hit to the wall so one can't really know what happened but to me it seems likely that his front tire touched the wall and then the bike made some sudden strong movements and threw him off. I don't think it would be easy holding on to the handlebars under these conditions and the forces pushing him outward are enough in even such a relatively slight bend. Also his left leg surely touched the wall which causes quite some pain I'm sure and also puts force on his body to move over left. BTW again (like nearly always) the bike identification is completely wrong. It's not 1200cc and not even a Yamaha. It looks like a 400cc Honda CB400, about 20 years old. Not sure why they are obsessed with reporting cc numbers and brand names and then get it in so many cases wrong. I haven't taken much notice before but it appears .the foot design of the barrier looks too high and is not bike friendly! Once tyre contact was made it would be game over ! sadly mr Melzer didnt get a second chance to learn from his experience. RIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugarcane24 Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 8 hours ago, AlexRich said: I had a car accident several years ago in the rain at speed and I bounced off the central barriers a few times before dragging the car to the hard shoulder, a write-off. Shaken, but unscathed. You have a chance in a car, but a motorbike is unforgiving. I can't work out how this happened, did he swerve to avoid something before hitting the barrier? RIP Herr Melzer. It may have been an intentional event due to desperation. R.I.P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberfarang Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Horrible, Horrible, Horrible, HORRIBLE. I really wish I hadn`t watched that video. Bad enough just seeing the vid, can`t imagine how bad the traumatisation was for the witnesses at the scene. Hope no idiots and morons dares to make any humorous or sadistic comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
free123 Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 7 hours ago, eisfeld said: RIP Mr Melzer. Once the tire of his bike touched the foot of the wall, it was game over in terms of control. Dave66: the footage doesn't cover the initial hit to the wall so one can't really know what happened but to me it seems likely that his front tire touched the wall and then the bike made some sudden strong movements and threw him off. I don't think it would be easy holding on to the handlebars under these conditions and the forces pushing him outward are enough in even such a relatively slight bend. Also his left leg surely touched the wall which causes quite some pain I'm sure and also puts force on his body to move over left. BTW again (like nearly always) the bike identification is completely wrong. It's not 1200cc and not even a Yamaha. It looks like a 400cc Honda CB400, about 20 years old. Not sure why they are obsessed with reporting cc numbers and brand names and then get it in so many cases wrong. a bike is unforgiving...u hit anything and u become the crash test dummy at an instant...a friend biker in europe had his whole body reconstructed after an accident.....many good man die or are criples after such accidents a shitload of pain often persisting the whole life .... friends wife's parents in despair....hope he entered a better place now...RIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemguy Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Nasty way to go...RIP Motor bikes.....Great fun until you crash and sure to get injured or killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweatalot Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 5 hours ago, Kabula said: Possible suicide to cover up intent? Previous cry for help? RIP... This does not look like suicide. If I would plan for a suicide on a bike looking like an accident I would just "lose control " and hit a concrete wall or a big pillar 90 degree but not touch a railing or low wall in a very small angle like happened to this poor guy. In thge video we cannot see what caused him touching the railing - did he have to avoid another car? something in his way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinsdale Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 16 hours ago, eisfeld said: RIP Mr Melzer. Once the tire of his bike touched the foot of the wall, it was game over in terms of control. Dave66: the footage doesn't cover the initial hit to the wall so one can't really know what happened but to me it seems likely that his front tire touched the wall and then the bike made some sudden strong movements and threw him off. I don't think it would be easy holding on to the handlebars under these conditions and the forces pushing him outward are enough in even such a relatively slight bend. Also his left leg surely touched the wall which causes quite some pain I'm sure and also puts force on his body to move over left. BTW again (like nearly always) the bike identification is completely wrong. It's not 1200cc and not even a Yamaha. It looks like a 400cc Honda CB400, about 20 years old. Not sure why they are obsessed with reporting cc numbers and brand names and then get it in so many cases wrong. Really do you need to say all of this. How the <deleted> do you know. Guy died leave it at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alocacoc Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Very sad story. RIP young guy. Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eisfeld Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 19 minutes ago, dinsdale said: Really do you need to say all of this. How the fk do you know. Guy died leave it at that. The brand/cc part was unnecessary and I appologize for that. But the rest, why not? I think we should try to understand how fellow riders crashed. It's tragic but if we can learn from these incidents and become safer in our own travels then at least it served a tiny bit of good. The tragedy already happened and family and friends will have a hard time. I hope this isn't offensive to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tandor Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 9 hours ago, Dave66 said: doesnt anyone think there is a bit more to it, you dont just fall of a bike going straight or minor bend he was already half off the bike as he went past that car and looked like he was already unconscious . ..looked to me his handlebar (L) side got hooked over the side railing which forced his body up and off the bike..as his head and chest couldn't get free of bike it catapulted him over the rail, just centimetres from striking that light bracket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinsdale Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 1 minute ago, eisfeld said: The brand/cc part was unnecessary and I appologize for that. But the rest, why not? I think we should try to understand how fellow riders crashed. It's tragic but if we can learn from these incidents and become safer in our own travels then at least it served a tiny bit of good. The tragedy already happened and family and friends will have a hard time. I hope this isn't offensive to them. Rubbish. You can't see and you don't know want happened so why speculate. Safe? On Thai roads? Seems your hearts in the right place but let it go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balo Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 (edited) My understanding from the accident is that he was already unconscious when he fell off the bike. Christian was an experienced rider so it must have been his infection , maybe combined with the heat and pain killers that caused him to faint . I know all about leg infections , I almost lost the leg after someone kicked me and bad bacterias made the situation worse , the doctors managed to save it with strong antibiotics. But I needed treatment at the best hospital . Christian went to a cheap hospital for months and they could not cure the infection , I wonder what kind of antibiotics they gave him . 6 months on and its getting really bad , he should have been in a taxi on the way to the hospital , not on a bike . He had no money , no insurance and he was about to sell his bike. Just too late . RIP. Edited February 27, 2017 by balo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hottrader77 Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 10 hours ago, CanInBKK said: Quite a sad and unfortunate event. At least the dashcam footage has surfaced putting to rest spurious talk about how the accident happened. condolances to the person and relatives such a sad thing for the end of a life im so sorry for him , i have always said dont take over on the inside lane its very dangerous lots of stories of people being killed , sometimes the vehicle in front does not see you and can move inside and crash into you , even seen horror stories of inside overtaking in pattaya where the russian guys head was crushed by the coach turning left and its rear wheel went over his head and killed him , please take extra few moments and try to overtake on the right side please in the video a motor cyclist did this earlier in the video , it looks like this unfortunate person could not handle the bend and clipped the side of the road and it caused him to be dislodged from the bike so very sad but i always say ONLY overtake on the right side please drive with care and if you can get a car its alot safer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grubster Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 9 hours ago, docphil said: I love how people think 250cc is "big" Its not but 1200 cc is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grubster Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 This looks like a warning to those living here that cannot afford to live here to go home where you may be taken care of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn0000 Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Why has this been posted? This is utterly disrespectful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn0000 Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 7 hours ago, KhunBENQ said: Reports in other source say that he got a recommendation for a hospital and probably on the way to that. I am not a motorbike expert and this is the best picture I could find so far: (the report with the picture also writes 1200 cc) Click on pictures so see best size: Why do you want to know what bike he was riding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elliss Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 (edited) 8 hours ago, bluebluewater said: Take a look at the pavement that the first rider is avoiding and watch the front wheel of the dead guys motorcycle as it hits a good sized fault in the road. I think there may have been a loss of control due to it and got him off the bike, up on the railing, and over. Spot on , he was out of it before he went over the barrier , No arm movement to protect himself . What i do not grasp , is the fact he did not fall directly onto the highway . Edited February 27, 2017 by elliss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pumpjack Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 9 hours ago, Kabula said: Possible suicide to cover up intent? Previous cry for help? RIP... bullshiter button needed !! have some empathy for god sake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberfarang Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, elliss said: Spot on , he was out of it before he went over the barrier , No arm movement to protect himself . What i do not grasp , is the fact he did not fall directly onto the highway . Study the video carefully and it becomes obvious what happened. He went too close to the barrier, the bike touched the barrier exactly side on. His body then was leaned against the top of the barrier and the force of the bike underneath him that was still travelling forward at speed left the man on top of the barrier where he had no control and swung over the top. He had no time to grab onto anything as it all happened in a split second and if you watch carefully you can see his body struggling but had no control of his situation. Terrible thing to see, that. Edited February 27, 2017 by cyberfarang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommysboy Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Tragic. The older I get the more it upsets me to see youngsters die needlessly. I'm not going to go as far as the 'should haves'. I understand people have to live their lives and part of that is following your passions. I can however think of better countries in which to ride a bike, and would entreat people to realise that none of us are infallible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuaSai Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Really still feel bad for this guy... Wish the negative and speculative people here would leave him alone and let him RIP.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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